Is it Day - Bus? Da - bus? Da - boo?
I like the last one, but that's just me.
Dah-bus.
the pronunciation of "DAH-BOO" is made fun of in in i believe the faces of sigil.
which leads me to the endless debate of how to properly pronounce "sigil"
The PS team has always said that it is pronunced "siG-el" but many people see a word that rhymes with "wiggle" and "giggle" to be too silly to take seriously.
the dicitonary agrees and "sidj-el" is the most commonu priununciatiuon for the spelling.
at gen con last year there were fliers circulating that claimed it had to be pronunced "sidj-el" due to the use of the locative "sigilian" as in "sigilian cant" apparently according to the rules of grammar in the english language if it were pronunced "sig-el" the locative would have to be "sigilic".
ashy
Day-bus. It just never occurred to me to call it anything else.
Zan-sost, I always said it.
For other remedial planescape players: "Pit Feend," "Rice,"
"Mef-fitz," "Gar-dih-nuls" with a "hard g," and "Ahr-konz."
...though I'm not so sure about the last few.
Also, what about planescape l33t: P | |< 3 | 7 |3 u |3 |3 R. It's the new cant.
I guess it must be a regional thing. All my players read Dabus as DAH-BOOS... Unless you say DAY-BUS because it rhymes with Rebus???
Originally posted by Factol Rhys
Also, what about planescape l33t: P | |< 3 | 7 |3 u |3 |3 R. It's the new cant.
Plke lt Bubbr? Do you mean
P1|<3 17 |3U|3|33R?
P|4|\|3SC4P3 R0><><0RZ!
Now, tanar'ri... I've been saying it tuh-NAR-ee, but looking at it I'm starting to think the apostraphe should move the emphasis around and make it sound more like TA-nar-REE. Hmm, that makes it sound like tannery. Isn't there a linguist around here to clear all this up?
Baatezu, I usually say "Baa-te-zu," but I read Baator as "Bay-tor."
Tanar'ri I say "Ta-nar *breathpause* ri"
And of course, "Rill-man-ee" because we're the most important.
...three syllables.
the pronounciation of sigil like that is "canon" in that its how all the npcs who dont get made fun of say it, and i liike dahboo better than day bus.
Originally posted by Ornum
How do you get "neigh-er skey-ak" out of Nathair Sgiathach? I'm sure somebody has an answer, but in the english language I use, g's aren't k's and I pronounce th's. The god's name isn't Yor, it's Thor!
The language in question is Gaelic, not English, so the rules for English grammar don't apply. As an example, sidhe is pronounced "SHEE," maobh is pronounced "MAYV," and Siobhan is pronounced "shuh-VAHN."
As for the other words, I personally call myself "DAH-boo," but I serve the Lady of Game rather than the Lady of Pain, so I can't be considered your typical dabus.
I quote from Sigil and Beyond, page 4:
We can excuse the fact that you slaughtered two yugoloths before you realized where you were, outsider, but you pronounced the name of our fair city 'Sijil,' not 'Sigil,' and there can be no excuse for that! -- her honor Rastina Tollin of the Guvners
Originally posted by WizO_Dabus
The language in question is Gaelic, not English, so the rules for English grammar don't apply. As an example, sidhe is pronounced "SHEE," maobh is pronounced "MAYV," and Siobhan is pronounced "shuh-VAHN."
As for the other words, I personally call myself "DAH-boo," but I serve the Lady of Game rather than the Lady of Pain, so I can't be considered your typical dabus.
I quote from Sigil and Beyond, page 4:
Interesting, that'd mean that it's pronounced like in swedish: "Sig-il"
How do so many people get "dah-boo" for Dabus? Am I missing something here? Why would the s be silent, I would never think of that in a million years!
If, perhaps, like so many things in this game, the "language" it's in isn't english, or even enlish-ish.
But, from the Dabus-Common phrasebook, found in Uncaged, there is that bit of rhebus which translates to "Call me a "daboo" again, and I'll kill you."
So I think it's safe to say it's "Dah-bus".
. - T + ZZZ
or
dot minus t plus buzz
which would be:
dah buzz
Dah-Buzz is closer to Dah-Boos than Day-Bus!!!! That's like saying father is pronounced Fay-thur... Father is to Bother as Dabus is to a knight of the post trying to bob us (Oooo, I used some cant
)You could look at it from the DAB as the first syllable+Us or DAB-US or DOB-US...
But where did the Long "A" sound come from?
Originally posted by WizO_Dabus
I quote from Sigil and Beyond, page 4: [/b]
just like a guvner to forget the simple rules, like those of the english language.
English of course tells us that if it is pronunced "sig-il"as a place name the locative has to be "sigilic". But we know it isnt.
dicitonaries consistenlty pronounce the word as "Sidj-il"
the closest thing i can think of to support the locative assertion
in pop culture is the place name for the star "Rigil" (NEVER pronunced to rhyme with giggle). Its fictional inhabitants are called the Rigillians.
as mentioned before all this was in that sheet that was circulating gencon (didnt i get it from the PS3e folks?)
admittedly PS does not use english, it uses whatever language the caracters prefer (or players for that matter). unfortunately when it come to a matter of pronunciation in english, english grammer is our only real source. That said i'll mention that the immediate repitition of the same vowel in a word either extends the preceding sylable or becomes a sound on its own. Hence, "BAAAA-Tor" or "Ba-ah-tor" i believer the second here is correct.
of course it wouldnt surprise me if the pronunciation was just wrong from the get go by the DESIGNERS of the game. After all we "americese" have never much cared for the proper pronunciation or grammatical correctness of things we write or read. Hence i must re-offer my orignial assessment: pronounce it the way you want to.
ashy
Originally posted by ashramry
...i must re-offer my orignial assessment: pronounce it the way you want to.
Hear, hear!
Besides, how much can you trust the phonics of a society that speaks some kind of variant cockney slang?
You where able to find the AUDIO pronunciation guide of planescape right here :
http://www.google.fr/search?q=cache:Jk7rTjYKs3UJ:www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp%3Fx%3Ddnd/dx20020121x+%22planescape+pronunciation%22&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8
(look for Planar Adventuring)
But it looks like it has been deleted now, ( http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/downloads ) as well as the www.wizards.com/planescape directory.
Those files may still exist somewhere on the web ...
However, I think that raising an argument about it based on supposed rules of English regarding adjectival forms is just silly, because a) it's not an English word, b) it's only a friggin' game, and c) the English language is notoriously inconsistent anyway. I don't know where they think they got this "rule" from, but "angelic" and "Hegelian" would seem to provide a counter-example. I couldn't find any other words ending in "-gil", even with the help of a rhyming dictionary, except for "vigil" (which becomes "vigilant").
I did find one page that still has some of the sound files [Warning: the page plays loud obnoxious music which can't be turned off]. Unfortunately, the "Critters" files are missing, so there's no way to see if it included "dabus". As with several others here, though, it never occured to me to pronounce it any way other than DAH-bus.
As for the other names, the 'correct' pronounciations are Bay-AH-tor (verified from the sound files), Bay-AH-teh-zoo (I think; it could be Bay-AH-tay-zoo or Bay-AH-tee-zoo), and Ta-NAR-ree (I think).
Wyvern
Originally posted by Wyvern76
Obviously some people think SIG-il sounds dumb, and some people think the same of SIJ-il. Personally, I don't think that of either of them, but I use SIG-il myself because a) it's 'official', and b) it distinguishes it from the word meaning an identifying mark or symbol. But to each his own.
However, I think that raising an argument about it based on supposed rules of English regarding adjectival forms is just silly, because a) it's not an English word,
You lost me here. ?
Originally posted by Wyvern76
b) it's only a friggin' game,
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amen
Originally posted by Wyvern76
and c) the English language is notoriously inconsistent anyway.
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true so far....
Originally posted by Wyvern76
I don't know where they think they got this "rule" from, but "angelic" and "Hegelian" would seem to provide a counter-example. I couldn't find any other words ending in "-gil", even with the help of a rhyming dictionary, except for "vigil" (which becomes "vigilant").
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actaully this document made note of the only word on there worth noting (as it is in the locative) angelic. much the way it would be sigilic. the other words you mentioned are adjectival forms, but are not the locative words.
ashy
Same for SIG-ILL, the City of Doors and SIDJ-EL, a symbol or cipher (not to be confused with the Transcendant Order)...
Yes it's a game, but it's one that DESERVES an attention to detail that only loving (read: zealous, stalking, fanatics) fans can give it. ;)
Originally posted by ashramry
You lost me here. ?
What's not to understand? The word sigil, meaning an identifying mark or symbol, is an English word (albeit of Latin derivation). Sigil is an invented name (of unspecified derivation) for a fictional city in a non-existent multiverse where English is not spoken. Therefore applying spurious "rules" of English grammar to it is ridiculous. (If it were a name like "Spireburough" or "Highfolk", that would be different.)
actaully this document made note of the only word on there worth noting (as it is in the locative) angelic. much the way it would be sigilic. the other words you mentioned are adjectival forms, but are not the locative words.
Okay, now you lost me. First of all, I don't see why the distinction between "locative" and "adjectival" is important. Secondly, I don't see how "angelic" could be considered locative (which I presume refers to location). Third, according to what you said earlier:
Originally posted by ashramry
at gen con last year there were fliers circulating that claimed it had to be pronunced "sidj-el" due to the use of the locative "sigilian" as in "sigilian cant" apparently according to the rules of grammar in the english language if it were pronunced "sig-el" the locative would have to be "sigilic".
...the use of "angelic" runs counter to their supposed "rule" since according to the logic above it ought to be "angelian".
Wyvern
Originally posted by Wyvern76
What's not to understand? The word sigil, meaning an identifying mark or symbol, is an English word (albeit of Latin derivation). Sigil is an invented name (of unspecified derivation) for a fictional city in a non-existent multiverse where English is not spoken. Therefore applying spurious "rules" of English grammar to it is ridiculous. (If it were a name like "Spireburough" or "Highfolk", that would be different.)
actually, even though it may have come from a differnt originating source, since we read and undrestand it in english, the only rules that really matter are those reguarding english grammar...not some fictional linguistic rules. Startrek ran into this same problem several years ago, because although their mandate is to "seek out new life and new civilizations" due to the magic of universal communicators, all those they meet speak english.
Originally posted by Wyvern76
Okay, now you lost me. First of all, I don't see why the distinction between "locative" and "adjectival" is important. Secondly, I don't see how "angelic" could be considered locative (which I presume refers to location). Third, according to what you said earlier:
...the use of "angelic" runs counter to their supposed "rule" since according to the logic above it ought to be "angelian".
Wyvern [/b]
actually "angelic" can be both locative and adjectival, think simply of the phrase "angelic realm" it is the same locative phrase as say the word "infernal" or "celestial". your other examples stemming from Hegel and Virgil can not ever be locative. esssentially locative means 'adjective of place from where/which'. it is meant to describe people as well as goods/services from a location. The formation of the locative is ALWAYS based on the english pronunciation of a word.
hence "ang-el" becomes "angelic" where appropriate, as would "sig-el" become "sigilic"
"angelian" can not ever exist in english due to the word "angel"'s pronunciation. For a real world example think of the city of Los Angeles, goods from that city are called "Los Angelic" goods, and people from there are refered to as "angelino's".
ashy
Originally posted by Factol Rhys
For other remedial planescape players: "Pit Feend," "Rice,"
"Mef-fitz," "Gar-dih-nuls" with a "hard g," and "Ahr-konz."
Riss (like Hiss), you insult me. Shame on you. Did the multiverse tell your parents to name you after a plant or was it just a bad call on there part? Even if you go with the long i sound for that y (which probably makes more sense but doesn't sound as good) I'd go with Rise rather than Rice.
Anything other than dah-bus never occurred to me. That one whacky faction is the Kay-ose-i-tekts, and I tend to call the creatures from bay-tor bay-ah-teh-zoo. Only rarely do I say bay-AH-tor (I have a klingon-ish accent when I say it because that's how the 'zu sound in my head) though I do say bay-teh-zoo almost half of the time.
On that note does anyone else have accents they use to be typical of particular races and locations?
Posted by ashramry
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[T]he only rules that really matter are those reguarding (sic)
[E]nglish grammar
I've got a word for you, from Planescape.
Tiefling
Tief ist ein deutsches Wort. Auf Englisch hei
Originally posted by Persephone Imytholin
[b]I've got a word for you, from Planescape.
Tiefling
Tief ist ein deutsches Wort. Auf Englisch hei
no it is safe to assume that the wisconson based designers of PS WERE being monoliguistic when it comes to their words and creations.
Interesting assertion, but I'm not seeing evidence or, for that matter, a causal link.
I always called Baator "BAY-tor" until I played Torment and Fjull said "Bay-A-tor."
By the way, do people really say "Kay-o-sci-tects" I always said it like "Zay-o-si-tects." And how do you all say "Bariaur"? And Marraenoloth? And, even though it's not Planescape, Yuan-ti?
Originally posted by Factol Rhys
By the way, do people really say "Kay-o-sci-tects" I always said it like "Zay-o-si-tects." And how do you all say "Bariaur"? And Marraenoloth? And, even though it's not Planescape, Yuan-ti?
I've already checked in on the Kay-o-si-tects (I say that the gate town is Kay-ose, too), but that one has so many potentials possible that it doesn't matter. All of these pronunciations are, of course, just my humble opinion.
"Bariaur," = bar-e-are (tavern/letter/plural present of "be")
"Marraenoloth" = mare-een-o-loth or mare-ane-o-loth (mare like a female horse) though I tend to avoid the second because (Shemshem will get a kick out of this one) it sounds too much like mare-
-othYuan-ti = You-an-tie (sounds like "you and I") I'm pretty sure the proper pronunciation is You-an-tee, though, but I think that sounds crappy
Originally posted by ashramry
actually, even though it may have come from a differnt originating source, since we read and undrestand it in english, the only rules that really matter are those reguarding english grammar...not some fictional linguistic rules.
Tell that to Tolkien.
Startrek ran into this same problem several years ago, because although their mandate is to "seek out new life and new civilizations" due to the magic of universal communicators, all those they meet speak english.
That's neither here nor there. Universal translators may be able to render Klingon into English, but that doesn't mean we should apply English rules of pronunciation to Klingon proper names. Furthermore, I think it's a fair bet that there are Planescape players whose first language is not English. Why should they follow English grammatical patterns when pronouncing invented names?
hence "ang-el" becomes "angelic" where appropriate, as would "sig-el" become "sigilic"
Your logic is twisted. Angel is not pronounced with a hard g. Sigil is. According to the "rule" you're citing, they can't both form a locative ending in -ic.
It's the designers' prerogative to say how Sigil is pronounced. It's the gamers' prerogative to pronounce it differently if they so desire. But for the gamers to tell the designers that they're pronouncing it wrong is insulting.
Wyvern
baa-Rye-er (sheep noise, rye like rye bread, and the sound the last two letters of her make)
mar-Ray-no-loth (how that works out is obvious, I think)
We talk about Yuan-Ti so rarely there are still two distinct pronunciations when we do.
Yawn-tee and juan-Tee (Juan soundling like the word want minus the t)
As far as any judgements about the validity of English spelling is concerned, you folks are going about this in the totally wrong way. No pronounciation is based upon its spelling, and English pronounciation is often times impossible to predict just looking at spelling. George Bernard Shaw's "Ghoti" is a good example of this. "Ghoti" is an animal that has fins and swims around in the ocean. 'gh' as in 'enough,' 'o' as in 'women,' and 'ti' as in 'nation.'
So we must get our pronounciations from speech. I don't know where I found it, but somewhere I downloaded a collection of sound files that has a person speaking the various terms from Planescape (they are canon). I think I downloaded it from the Wizards website, and if anyone can find them again I would be indebted. If anyone has space available (and if it is legal) I can send them the files and they can upload them. Its just a little over a meg. It includes 'Sigil' and 'Dabus' along with a bunch of other stuff, like all the planes and layers and a bunch of the critters.
I also want to add that I am working on Modron and I've got the phonetics and some phonology. I'll post it as soon as I write it up.
Stupid friggin' boards, can't display Arabic.
Originally posted by overtrick
kay-Oh-si-tekts (as it's printed in A Player's Guide to the Planes)
Ahh, but in the Player's Primer to the Outlands, Xaos is pronounced many different ways, including Sack-soss and bob.
And like Rhys, I say Bar-ee-ar.