Thanks for any info you can give me
They appear in the back of the Wander's Journal, and pretty extensively in PP4 (Obsidian Oracle) ...
The three types are:
Desert Giants. Biggest of the lot and definitely not the brightest. They have exaggerated features and are immune to mind-controlling psionics. They're about 25' tall and have the strength of Storm Giants (or thereabouts). They live on islands in the silt sea, generally, and wade in to raid and plunder and eat. Those who do trade trade their hair, which is used as rope in the Tablelands.
Plains Giants. Are thinner and fairer that Desert Giants, and also tend towards the Good alignments. Their hair is used for silk-like ropes.
Beasthead Giants. Exactly like they sound, Beastheads have the heads of various (mundane) animals. They are smarter and smaller than their cousins and are not immune to psionics. On the upside (for them, at least) they can use psionics and often do.
One giantkin in Athas is the B'Rohg, a four-armed critter that's about 15' tall.
The link to some of the giants' stats are here.
Hope that helps.
Originally posted by flip
Athas has two types of Giants: Beasthead and ... eh, Athasian.
Actually, going by all the DS MCs, there are four types of giants: Beasthead, Plains, Desert, and Crag.
All four will be in ToA when it is released, and in 3.5 format.
Actually five if you count the Shadow giants, but they are a bit different, heh.
There are quite a few giantkin out there as well that have the type giant like dawnstealer spoke of.
And this is why I have nothing to do with the monster conversion projects, oustide of review .... ;)
Originally posted by Dawnstealer
Not familiar with the crag giant. Where are they from?
The evil Saragar place that most people can't stand.
They live in the forest on top of the Lonely Butte.
So what would a Crag Giant look like, anyways?
Originally posted by Dawnstealer
That's right! I have to dig through that book again for those references (wasn't the Squark in there, too?).
Yep, along with athasian dolphins and some other things.
If I remember right, there's also some elves that don't fit the classic DS elf.
Can't remember.
So what would a Crag Giant look like, anyways?
Well since to me they resemble the Storm giants of other worlds, I would picture them as a depressed version of that since their race is dying out.
Originally posted by Kamelion
Crag giants resemble rough-featured humanoids with grey skin and thick, dark hair. They are culturally and mentally degenerate, however, and have a morose countenance to suit
Yeah, I like your take on them when I looked at them in ToA, despite the missing stuff if they were in fact related to Storm Giants, or similar.
Either works for me.
Originally posted by Kamelion
Mind you, on a closer reading, "Mindlords..." states that they are an offshoot of the plains giant race (missed that earlier), so that might suggest that they have more elven features than human...
You're not the only one that missed that.
Yeah, depending on what you go by, the Plains Giants where once a tribe of Elves before the Pristine Tower worked its magic. So I can see these guys being a weaker offshoot of the Plains.
But I digress, this may belong in another thread?
...Say, what is it with this half-squids, anyway? SOMEBODY has a squid fetish!!
As for Giants, it is also mentioned that Ettins and Cyclops abound as well, though I wouldn't simply use the generic MM versions of these brutish beasties myself. Neither ever appeared in an actual adventure or novel (that I know of anyway), but they are listed in the old encounter tables (recently checked due to another thread or I would have forgotten them as well). Pristine Tower mutations, or something all-together different? Personally, for something so remote as the Tower, it sure has altered a heck of a lot of beings in its time. But I digress, yet again.
Originally posted by Mach2.5
Personally, for something so remote as the Tower, it sure has altered a heck of a lot of beings in its time. But I digress, yet again.
I like to think that in the Green Age, the Pristine Tower wasn't that mutch isolated. but that's just me.
Rajaat went to find the Pristine Tower, for his dreams were haunted by the whispered tales of halflings. The First Sorcerer took possession of the abandoned tower....
p.12 Wanderer's Chronical.
Why did no one take control of it before Rajaat? No idea. It's an interesting thought, though.
Originally posted by Dawnstealer
Not familiar with the crag giant. Where are they from?
Flip, Gab, Jon, Dawn, Sean someone please tell me. Crag Giants are Storm giants with Psionic ability Right?
.. When they were living in the Thunder Mountains their connection with elemental air was stronger and they were renowned for worshipping in the midst of storms (storms which were often attributed to the giants themselves in local legend). Sounds like this is where the storm giant connection could come from...Originally posted by Kamelion
You're welcome
Yeah, I was thinking that same thing. Good one.
The Prism Pentad states that the last dwarven knights, Sa'ram and Jo'orsh, gave rise to the race of giants after the imprisoning Rajaat. Where exactly does Dregoth fit in with this? He was obviously out slaying giants from the beginning of the Cleansing Wars. In City by the Silt Sea, it is stated that at the beginning of the cleansing wars Dregoth went to Giustenal and slew its cat headed giant leader (who was obviously a beasthead). If the beasthead giants don't exist in this time period, this is impossible.
And if Sa'ram and Jo'orsh gave rise to the race of giants, both seem to be male, I am assuming that they died near the Pristine Tower and their bodies became several giants (at least four, a male and female for both giant races).
Anyone have any imput on this?
Originally posted by Cyrus9a
I was just wondering....
The Prism Pentad states that the last dwarven knights, Sa'ram and Jo'orsh, gave rise to the race of giants after the imprisoning Rajaat. Where exactly does Dregoth fit in with this? He was obviously out slaying giants from the beginning of the Cleansing Wars. In City by the Silt Sea, it is stated that at the beginning of the cleansing wars Dregoth went to Giustenal and slew its cat headed giant leader (who was obviously a beasthead). If the beasthead giants don't exist in this time period, this is impossible.
And if Sa'ram and Jo'orsh gave rise to the race of giants, both seem to be male, I am assuming that they died near the Pristine Tower and their bodies became several giants (at least four, a male and female for both giant races).
Anyone have any imput on this?
That bit of the PP always bugged me for this exact reason. You could rule that the Saram and Joorsh beasthead tribes are a different strain of giant that just happen to look like the race that was hunted by Dregoth. As if somehow the Dark Lens were seeking to preserve the beasthead race however it could. Fumbling wildly here - anyone else had any thoughts about this?
As for their bodies, they became undead and remained in the vicinity of the Lens and then went wandering about the Tablelands looking for Neeva's son and stuff.
All a bit daft, really...
Originally posted by Cyrus9a
I was just wondering....
The Prism Pentad states that the last dwarven knights, Sa'ram and Jo'orsh, gave rise to the race of giants after the imprisoning Rajaat. Where exactly does Dregoth fit in with this? He was obviously out slaying giants from the beginning of the Cleansing Wars. In City by the Silt Sea, it is stated that at the beginning of the cleansing wars Dregoth went to Giustenal and slew its cat headed giant leader (who was obviously a beasthead). If the beasthead giants don't exist in this time period, this is impossible.
And if Sa'ram and Jo'orsh gave rise to the race of giants, both seem to be male, I am assuming that they died near the Pristine Tower and their bodies became several giants (at least four, a male and female for both giant races).
Anyone have any imput on this?
No, it's a flat contradiction in Dregoth's backstory. In Troy Denning's defense, he never said squat about Dregoth or any anti-Giant Champion.
I made an attempt to fix this using the Order and time travel in one of my campaigns, but it never finished. It involved the two original Dwarven-knights-turned-giants contacting the Order and sending back several regiments of their Giant descendants to stop Rajaat altogether.
Now ask me where the first *girl* Giants came from...;)
Both of the preceding ideas fit within the history of Athas without bringing any more inconsistancies in that I'm aware of. The only remaining problem would be Dregoth's assault and conquering of Giustenal where he supposedly defeated a beasthead giant with the head of a cat-like animal. The only thing I can come up with here is that the story has been corrupted over several thousand years. Maybe the cat-like head of this giant was some ceremonial headdress or war-helm. This might be stretching it a little though. Any input?
Originally posted by Cyrus9a
I have been trying to rectify this inconsistency and the only way I can think of is to say that a giant race was given birth to during the Rebirth. Maybe Dregoth finished them off or wiped out enough of them that they naturally died off. This could explain where the first female giants came from, if they were biologically compatible with the new giants. Since most races are compatible with each other on Athas I can't see why this would be to far-fetched.
Well, you've still got the problem that this would all be before the end of the Cleansing wars.
ANyway, I think the magic of the Pristine Toew is plenty wierd enough to not require female giants in the first generation for reproduction...
Another idea to to say that Dregoth was actually killing giant-kin... There not being any true giants on Athas at the time, the inhabitants could have collectively called these giants. Of course, that doesn't explain female Saram and Joorsh giants.
Both of the preceding ideas fit within the history of Athas without bringing any more inconsistancies in that I'm aware of. The only remaining problem would be Dregoth's assault and conquering of Giustenal where he supposedly defeated a beasthead giant with the head of a cat-like animal. The only thing I can come up with here is that the story has been corrupted over several thousand years. Maybe the cat-like head of this giant was some ceremonial headdress or war-helm. This might be stretching it a little though. Any input?
I don't have my book, but I'm about %73 sure that in CIty by the Silt Sea you actually find said lionhead's corpse in the ruins.
Come on, everybody, time travel! If it's good enough for Captain Kirk, it's good enough for Athas!
If it's good enough for Captain Kirk, it's good enough for Athas!
OMG! William Shatner is comming to Athas?!?!? He's going to end up joining in with the space halfings as their secret nefarious weapon whose droning sonic attack of over used dramatic pauses will cause enemies to collapse with boredom in their tracks! Amplify the attack through some kind of amplifying thingermabob and the poor people of Athas are doomed!!!!! Oh the humanity!
Err . . . sorry.
Very sorry.
That won't happen again.
. . . at least not more than once or twice more anyhow.
Originally posted by Mach2.5
OMG! William Shatner is comming to Athas?!?!? He's going to end up joining in with the space halfings as their secret nefarious weapon whose droning sonic attack of over used dramatic pauses will cause enemies to collapse with boredom in their tracks! Amplify the attack through some kind of amplifying thingermabob and the poor people of Athas are doomed!!!!! Oh the humanity!
d0000d! To heck with the "Enterprise vs. Death Star" threads; Enterprise vs. Borys = 200 dead redshirts. Starfleet wouldn't last 30 minutes on Athas. The Kreen would eat their landing party, the elves would steal their ship, and the Order would make sure they lived the remainder of their lives under the impression that they were canadian geese.
Originally posted by Mach2.5
OMG! William Shatner is comming to Athas?!?!? He's going to end up joining in with the space halfings as their secret nefarious weapon whose droning sonic attack of over used dramatic pauses will cause enemies to collapse with boredom in their tracks! Amplify the attack through some kind of amplifying thingermabob and the poor people of Athas are doomed!!!!! Oh the humanity!
Err . . . sorry.
Very sorry.
That won't happen again.
. . . at least not more than once or twice more anyhow.
Don't forget the homosexuality love between Kirk and Spock.
Spock!!!!
Originally posted by Hiero5ant
d0000d! To heck with the "Enterprise vs. Death Star" threads; Enterprise vs. Borys = 200 dead redshirts. Starfleet wouldn't last 30 minutes on Athas. The Kreen would eat their landing party, the elves would steal their ship, and the Order would make sure they lived the remainder of their lives under the impression that they were canadian geese.
