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#1
zombiegleemax
Jan 09, 2004 7:42:16 I remember seeing a list (in Dragon?) of correct pronunciation of many Greyhawk names. I know that the LGG has deity pronunciation guides, but some of the states do not. Any quasi-offical links as to how these names were supposed to be pronounced? As I begin my campaign, I have heard people insisting Pale is pronounced as "Pa-LAY" and that Furyondy is pronounced "FURY-ondy".

For the record, I believe them to be The Pale as in a pail of water and FUR-yondy. Any help? I did a quick forum search but found nothing.
#2
Greyson
Jan 09, 2004 9:56:56 The only place I have seen an official pronunciation guide is in Anne Brown's Greyhawk Player's Guide © 1998 (TSR 9578). On page five she inlcudes Furyondy as "FYOO ree on dee".

Regrettably, the Pale is not listed. Probably because it is so simple. The "Pale as in a pail of water" works well, I think. Pay-lay is a bit much, and I do not think it is pronounced like that.

But, we can pronounce these names anyway we want - unless you have an uptight Greyhawk-Gestapo sitting at your table. LOL - you know they are out there...
#3
robbastard
Jan 09, 2004 10:21:24 Never heard of the Pale being pronounced "Pa-LAY."

In RL history, "the pale" has been used to refer to various defended/guarded territories inside other nations (the word "pale" in this case referring to a stake used as part of a fence, thus by extension, "pale" implies a "barrier"). The best known refers to the Pale of Settlement (parts of modern-day Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, & Ukraine) esablished by the Russian Czars in the late 18th century, where the vast majority of Russia's Jews were forced to live under strictly regulated & harsh conditions. The expression "beyond the pale" means outside the bounds of acceptable behavior.

I suspect that EGG had this meaning of "pale" in mind when he created the Theocracy--ie, an insular, strictly regulated society, only with the restrictions coming from within, rather than without (as in the case of the Russian Pale).
#4
zombiegleemax
Jan 09, 2004 12:39:19 Yeah thats how I have always run it too. In fact my Pale is probably a lot grimmer than most peoples, it certainly is nothing like what the current LG Triad is doing.

I have always used "Payl" as the pronounciation.
#5
rlwilde
Jan 09, 2004 22:32:02 Any suggested alternate pronunciations for my cleric who dislikes the name for his god being a near match for "erroneous"?

Back in 1st ed AD&D I used to pronounce it High-roe-NAY-us.
#6
zombiegleemax
Jan 10, 2004 18:09:04 Argh! Fyoo-ree-on-dee?!? I think I will stick with Fur-yondy, unless dee Gestapo (or the Inquisition) shows up! Thanks for the help!
#7
grodog
Jan 11, 2004 19:07:46 You might also look in "Ay pronunseeAYshun gyd" by Frank Mentzer, from Dragon Magazine #93 (January 1985).

edit: Apparently some of this article is on the wizards site at http://www.wizards.com/dnd/dnddefinitivefaq.asp
#8
zombiegleemax
Jan 18, 2004 3:37:50 Well, perhaps back in CY 578, they pronounced it FYOO-ree-yon-dee. But you know how languages change. Maybe in the Common tongue it just got easier to say FUR-yon-dee. In Living Greyhawk everyone I know pronounces it as the latter.
#9
zombiegleemax
Feb 05, 2004 4:34:15 I was running a campaign based in Geoff, and had been pronouncing it like the name "Jeff". (Jeffrey being the Americanized spelling of the English Geoffrey). One of my players said he always thought it was pronounced "JEE-off". I know there's no right or wrong here, but I'm just curious how all of you would pronounce it.
#10
zombiegleemax
Feb 05, 2004 7:53:48
Originally posted by oerthforge
I was running a campaign based in Geoff, and had been pronouncing it like the name "Jeff". (Jeffrey being the Americanized spelling of the English Geoffrey). One of my players said he always thought it was pronounced "JEE-off". I know there's no right or wrong here, but I'm just curious how all of you would pronounce it.

Well I've always pronounced it "Jeff," probably because I grew up with a classmate named Geoffrey. He often had to deal with people calling him "Jee-off" when they saw the spelling of his name. Actually I know his pain, my first name is Sean, and I’ve had people pronouncing it either "Seen" or my favorite "See-ann" all my life. But I digress.

I can understand why some people might prefer to use a different pronunciation then "Jeff." Were I ever to run a campaign based in or around Geoff, I would at least consider using "Joff" as the pronunciation for three reasons. First to avoid any player making jokes if I used "Jeff." Second even if no jokes were made using a fairly common sounding first name as a country name could make the suspension of disbelief more difficult for everyone involved. My final reason would simply be I personally think "Jee-off" sounds a little silly.

Cominius
#11
robbastard
Feb 05, 2004 12:28:57
Originally posted by Cominius
Well I've always pronounced it "Jeff," probably because I grew up with a classmate named Geoffrey. He often had to deal with people calling him "Jee-off" when they saw the spelling of his name. Actually I know his pain, my first name is Sean, and I’ve had people pronouncing it either "Seen" or my favorite "See-ann" all my life. But I digress.

I can understand why some people might prefer to use a different pronunciation then "Jeff." Were I ever to run a campaign based in or around Geoff, I would at least consider using "Joff" as the pronunciation for three reasons. First to avoid any player making jokes if I used "Jeff." Second even if no jokes were made using a fairly common sounding first name as a country name could make the suspension of disbelief more difficult for everyone involved. My final reason would simply be I personally think "Jee-off" sounds a little silly.

Cominius

IIRC, "Geoff" (& Perrenland) was named after Jeff Peren an early TSR employee who also played in EGG's campaign. If you don't care for "Jeff," you can always go with the Geoff LG triad's version, which they claim is the original Flan name or something, Gyruff.
#12
zombiegleemax
Mar 02, 2004 16:26:45 I've heard that the Great Kingdom's city of Rauxes is supposed to be pronounced Raw-Zees instead of Roks-ess. At least thats how we've pronounced it.

I know this is way late but I couldn't resist. Sorry.
#13
zombiegleemax
Mar 02, 2004 19:53:05 Personally, I use "Joff."

My players wouldn't cut me anymore slack if I called a country "Jeff" than they would if I called it "Ted" or "Eddie."

Man, I'd never hear the end of that one.
#14
OleOneEye
Mar 02, 2004 20:42:06 Mayby I'm odd, but I have always used Gee-off, with a hard "G".
#15
grodog
Mar 03, 2004 0:52:42 Me too OleOneEye.
#16
zombiegleemax
Mar 04, 2004 14:00:14 we were playing last night and I brought this up. One of my buddies reminded me about Iuz. We heard that it's pronounced Yooze and not Eye-ooze. We still say Eye-ooze.
#17
omote
Mar 04, 2004 14:40:26
Originally posted by Valkaun_Dain
I've heard that the Great Kingdom's city of Rauxes is supposed to be pronounced Raw-Zees instead of Roks-ess. At least thats how we've pronounced it.

The Player's Guide to Gtreyhawk does indeed say that Rauxes is pronounced "Rah-zees." or something like that... personally, I still say "RAU XIS" Rah zees just doesn't have that "malelvolent" ringing sound to it that I think that the cursed city should have.

Just my 2 coppers.

.........................Omote
#18
Halberkill
Mar 04, 2004 15:03:39
Originally posted by Valkaun_Dain
we were playing last night and I brought this up. One of my buddies reminded me about Iuz. We heard that it's pronounced Yooze and not Eye-ooze. We still say Eye-ooze.

The enhanced DVD Scourge of Worlds pronnounced it Eyeooze, so that is one thing going for you.

Halber
#19
grodog
Mar 04, 2004 17:04:50 I've always said Iuz as Eee-ooze. FWIW :D
#20
Amaril
Apr 13, 2004 17:21:50
Originally posted by Halberkill
The enhanced DVD Scourge of Worlds pronnounced it Eyeooze, so that is one thing going for you.

Halber

That's how it's pronounced in the Gazetteer
#21
avfanatic
Apr 14, 2004 13:54:35 How do you pronounce...?

Here are some commonly mispronounced words and their dictionary pronunciations where they are available and common-practice pronunciations or TSR rulings where they not. For more general pronunciation help, see the article "Ay pronunseeAYshun gyd" by Frank Mentzer in Dragon #93 (Jan. 1985). For help pronouncing words and names specific to the Forgotten Realms setting, see the Forgotten Realms box and the trilogy of Forgotten Realms deity books. For help pronouncing the names of the various tanar'ri and baatezu types, see MC8 Outer Planes Appendix.

Aarakocra: a-rah-KO-krah
Arquebus: AR-keh-bus
Baatezu: bay-AH-teh-zu or BAH-teh-zu
Bardiche: bar-DEESH
Bulette: boo-LAY
Catoblepus: kuht-OH-bleh-puhs, also kah-TA-ble-pus
Chatkcha: CHAT-k-cha (thri-kreen throwing weapon)
Chimera: ky-MAEE-ruh, or ky-MAIR-ruh (rhymes with "care of")
Chitin: KITE-in
Cuirass: KWEE-rass
Drow: DRAU (as in drowsy; rhymes with now and how)
Dweomer: DWEH-mer (rhymes with "hem her"), or DWIH-mer; sometimes DWEE-mer
Falchion: FAL-chun
Geas: GEE-ass, or GYASS (both with a hard "g")
Gygax: GY-gaks
Halberd: HAL-berd, (not HAL-bread)
Herb: ERB
Ioun: EYE-oon
Iuz: YOOZ or EE-uz
Ixitxachitl: iks-it-ZATCH-i-til or ik-zit-zah-chih-tull
Lich: LITCH (as in ditch), *not* LIKE or LICK
Lycanthrope: LY-kun-throhp, LY-kan-throhp (like lichen rope/my tan rope)
Lycanthropy: ly-KAN-thruh-pee
Mage: MAGE (as in age), *not* MADGE (as in badger)
Melee: MAY-lay
Otyugh: AHT-yuhg
Sahuagin: sah-HWAH-gin
Scythe: syth (rhymes with tithe)
Svirfneblin: svirf-NEB-lin
Tanar'ri: tah-NAHR-ree
Tarrasque: tah-RASK
THAC0: either THAK-oh, or THAKE-oh
Vargouille: var-GWEEL
Vrock: vrahk
Wyvern: WIH-vern (as in did learn), or WHY-vern
Zaknafein: zack-NAY-fee-in

EDIT: It's old school obviously

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jan 09, 2004 7:42:16	I remember seeing a list (in Dragon?) of correct pronunciation of many Greyhawk names. I know that the LGG has deity pronunciation guides, but some of the states do not. Any quasi-offical links as to how these names were supposed to be pronounced? As I begin my campaign, I have heard people insisting Pale is pronounced as "Pa-LAY" and that Furyondy is pronounced "FURY-ondy". For the record, I believe them to be The Pale as in a pail of water and FUR-yondy. Any help? I did a quick forum search but found nothing.
#2 Greyson Jan 09, 2004 9:56:56	The only place I have seen an official pronunciation guide is in Anne Brown's Greyhawk Player's Guide © 1998 (TSR 9578). On page five she inlcudes Furyondy as "FYOO ree on dee". Regrettably, the Pale is not listed. Probably because it is so simple. The "Pale as in a pail of water" works well, I think. Pay-lay is a bit much, and I do not think it is pronounced like that. But, we can pronounce these names anyway we want - unless you have an uptight Greyhawk-Gestapo sitting at your table. LOL - you know they are out there...
#3 robbastard Jan 09, 2004 10:21:24	Never heard of the Pale being pronounced "Pa-LAY." In RL history, "the pale" has been used to refer to various defended/guarded territories inside other nations (the word "pale" in this case referring to a stake used as part of a fence, thus by extension, "pale" implies a "barrier"). The best known refers to the Pale of Settlement (parts of modern-day Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, & Ukraine) esablished by the Russian Czars in the late 18th century, where the vast majority of Russia's Jews were forced to live under strictly regulated & harsh conditions. The expression "beyond the pale" means outside the bounds of acceptable behavior. I suspect that EGG had this meaning of "pale" in mind when he created the Theocracy--ie, an insular, strictly regulated society, only with the restrictions coming from within, rather than without (as in the case of the Russian Pale).
#4 zombiegleemax Jan 09, 2004 12:39:19	Yeah thats how I have always run it too. In fact my Pale is probably a lot grimmer than most peoples, it certainly is nothing like what the current LG Triad is doing. I have always used "Payl" as the pronounciation.
#5 rlwilde Jan 09, 2004 22:32:02	Any suggested alternate pronunciations for my cleric who dislikes the name for his god being a near match for "erroneous"? Back in 1st ed AD&D I used to pronounce it High-roe-NAY-us.
#6 zombiegleemax Jan 10, 2004 18:09:04	Argh! Fyoo-ree-on-dee?!? I think I will stick with Fur-yondy, unless dee Gestapo (or the Inquisition) shows up! Thanks for the help!
#7 grodog Jan 11, 2004 19:07:46	You might also look in "Ay pronunseeAYshun gyd" by Frank Mentzer, from Dragon Magazine #93 (January 1985). edit: Apparently some of this article is on the wizards site at http://www.wizards.com/dnd/dnddefinitivefaq.asp
#8 zombiegleemax Jan 18, 2004 3:37:50	Well, perhaps back in CY 578, they pronounced it FYOO-ree-yon-dee. But you know how languages change. Maybe in the Common tongue it just got easier to say FUR-yon-dee. In Living Greyhawk everyone I know pronounces it as the latter.
#9 zombiegleemax Feb 05, 2004 4:34:15	I was running a campaign based in Geoff, and had been pronouncing it like the name "Jeff". (Jeffrey being the Americanized spelling of the English Geoffrey). One of my players said he always thought it was pronounced "JEE-off". I know there's no right or wrong here, but I'm just curious how all of you would pronounce it.
#10 zombiegleemax Feb 05, 2004 7:53:48	Originally posted by oerthforge I was running a campaign based in Geoff, and had been pronouncing it like the name "Jeff". (Jeffrey being the Americanized spelling of the English Geoffrey). One of my players said he always thought it was pronounced "JEE-off". I know there's no right or wrong here, but I'm just curious how all of you would pronounce it. Well I've always pronounced it "Jeff," probably because I grew up with a classmate named Geoffrey. He often had to deal with people calling him "Jee-off" when they saw the spelling of his name. Actually I know his pain, my first name is Sean, and I’ve had people pronouncing it either "Seen" or my favorite "See-ann" all my life. But I digress. I can understand why some people might prefer to use a different pronunciation then "Jeff." Were I ever to run a campaign based in or around Geoff, I would at least consider using "Joff" as the pronunciation for three reasons. First to avoid any player making jokes if I used "Jeff." Second even if no jokes were made using a fairly common sounding first name as a country name could make the suspension of disbelief more difficult for everyone involved. My final reason would simply be I personally think "Jee-off" sounds a little silly. Cominius
#11 robbastard Feb 05, 2004 12:28:57	Originally posted by Cominius Well I've always pronounced it "Jeff," probably because I grew up with a classmate named Geoffrey. He often had to deal with people calling him "Jee-off" when they saw the spelling of his name. Actually I know his pain, my first name is Sean, and I’ve had people pronouncing it either "Seen" or my favorite "See-ann" all my life. But I digress. I can understand why some people might prefer to use a different pronunciation then "Jeff." Were I ever to run a campaign based in or around Geoff, I would at least consider using "Joff" as the pronunciation for three reasons. First to avoid any player making jokes if I used "Jeff." Second even if no jokes were made using a fairly common sounding first name as a country name could make the suspension of disbelief more difficult for everyone involved. My final reason would simply be I personally think "Jee-off" sounds a little silly. Cominius IIRC, "Geoff" (& Perrenland) was named after Jeff Peren an early TSR employee who also played in EGG's campaign. If you don't care for "Jeff," you can always go with the Geoff LG triad's version, which they claim is the original Flan name or something, Gyruff.
#12 zombiegleemax Mar 02, 2004 16:26:45	I've heard that the Great Kingdom's city of Rauxes is supposed to be pronounced Raw-Zees instead of Roks-ess. At least thats how we've pronounced it. I know this is way late but I couldn't resist. Sorry.
#13 zombiegleemax Mar 02, 2004 19:53:05	Personally, I use "Joff." My players wouldn't cut me anymore slack if I called a country "Jeff" than they would if I called it "Ted" or "Eddie." Man, I'd never hear the end of that one.
#14 OleOneEye Mar 02, 2004 20:42:06	Mayby I'm odd, but I have always used Gee-off, with a hard "G".
#15 grodog Mar 03, 2004 0:52:42	Me too OleOneEye.
#16 zombiegleemax Mar 04, 2004 14:00:14	we were playing last night and I brought this up. One of my buddies reminded me about Iuz. We heard that it's pronounced Yooze and not Eye-ooze. We still say Eye-ooze.
#17 omote Mar 04, 2004 14:40:26	Originally posted by Valkaun_Dain I've heard that the Great Kingdom's city of Rauxes is supposed to be pronounced Raw-Zees instead of Roks-ess. At least thats how we've pronounced it. The Player's Guide to Gtreyhawk does indeed say that Rauxes is pronounced "Rah-zees." or something like that... personally, I still say "RAU XIS" Rah zees just doesn't have that "malelvolent" ringing sound to it that I think that the cursed city should have. Just my 2 coppers. .........................Omote
#18 Halberkill Mar 04, 2004 15:03:39	Originally posted by Valkaun_Dain we were playing last night and I brought this up. One of my buddies reminded me about Iuz. We heard that it's pronounced Yooze and not Eye-ooze. We still say Eye-ooze. The enhanced DVD Scourge of Worlds pronnounced it Eyeooze, so that is one thing going for you. Halber
#19 grodog Mar 04, 2004 17:04:50	I've always said Iuz as Eee-ooze. FWIW :D
#20 Amaril Apr 13, 2004 17:21:50	Originally posted by Halberkill The enhanced DVD Scourge of Worlds pronnounced it Eyeooze, so that is one thing going for you. Halber That's how it's pronounced in the Gazetteer
#21 avfanatic Apr 14, 2004 13:54:35	How do you pronounce...? Here are some commonly mispronounced words and their dictionary pronunciations where they are available and common-practice pronunciations or TSR rulings where they not. For more general pronunciation help, see the article "Ay pronunseeAYshun gyd" by Frank Mentzer in Dragon #93 (Jan. 1985). For help pronouncing words and names specific to the Forgotten Realms setting, see the Forgotten Realms box and the trilogy of Forgotten Realms deity books. For help pronouncing the names of the various tanar'ri and baatezu types, see MC8 Outer Planes Appendix. Aarakocra: a-rah-KO-krah Arquebus: AR-keh-bus Baatezu: bay-AH-teh-zu or BAH-teh-zu Bardiche: bar-DEESH Bulette: boo-LAY Catoblepus: kuht-OH-bleh-puhs, also kah-TA-ble-pus Chatkcha: CHAT-k-cha (thri-kreen throwing weapon) Chimera: ky-MAEE-ruh, or ky-MAIR-ruh (rhymes with "care of") Chitin: KITE-in Cuirass: KWEE-rass Drow: DRAU (as in drowsy; rhymes with now and how) Dweomer: DWEH-mer (rhymes with "hem her"), or DWIH-mer; sometimes DWEE-mer Falchion: FAL-chun Geas: GEE-ass, or GYASS (both with a hard "g") Gygax: GY-gaks Halberd: HAL-berd, (not HAL-bread) Herb: ERB Ioun: EYE-oon Iuz: YOOZ or EE-uz Ixitxachitl: iks-it-ZATCH-i-til or ik-zit-zah-chih-tull Lich: LITCH (as in ditch), not LIKE or LICK Lycanthrope: LY-kun-throhp, LY-kan-throhp (like lichen rope/my tan rope) Lycanthropy: ly-KAN-thruh-pee Mage: MAGE (as in age), not MADGE (as in badger) Melee: MAY-lay Otyugh: AHT-yuhg Sahuagin: sah-HWAH-gin Scythe: syth (rhymes with tithe) Svirfneblin: svirf-NEB-lin Tanar'ri: tah-NAHR-ree Tarrasque: tah-RASK THAC0: either THAK-oh, or THAKE-oh Vargouille: var-GWEEL Vrock: vrahk Wyvern: WIH-vern (as in did learn), or WHY-vern Zaknafein: zack-NAY-fee-in EDIT: It's old school obviously