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#1
b4real
Jan 12, 2004 9:27:54 Was the entire race(The Irda) decimated in the novel, Dragons of Summer Flame?

~B4Real
#2
cam_banks
Jan 12, 2004 9:31:35
Originally posted by B4Real
Was the entire race(The Irda) decimated in the novel, Dragons of Summer Flame?

Nope. There's a possibility that some isolated individuals were not on the island at the time.

They're certainly incredibly rare, though.

Cheers,
Cam
#3
b4real
Jan 12, 2004 9:46:16
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Nope. There's a possibility that some isolated individuals were not on the island at the time.

They're certainly incredibly rare, though.

Cheers,
Cam

Did you actually read the entire book(Dragons of Summer Flame)? That book is one of the thickest I have ever seen.

~B4Real
#4
cam_banks
Jan 12, 2004 9:50:50
Originally posted by B4Real
Did you actually read the entire book(Dragons of Summer Flame)? That book is one of the thickest I have ever seen.

Yes, I read a lot of very thick books.

Cheers,
Cam
#5
zombiegleemax
Jan 12, 2004 11:09:36 Dwarven Kingdoms of Krynn mentions an Irda village somewhere in the Kharolis mountain range.
#6
ferratus
Jan 12, 2004 11:44:41 Yep, the Irda race was decimated. In fact, I'd be suprised if there was more than a dozen Irda left in entirety of Krynn. Thus, I probably would never use an irda as a protagonist or villain in any story or adventure because I'd feel too guilty. They are simply to rare for me to consider using them casually.
#7
zombiegleemax
Jan 12, 2004 19:34:09
Originally posted by Richard Connery
Dwarven Kingdoms of Krynn mentions an Irda village somewhere in the Kharolis mountain range.

Didn't know that. Do you know the approx. year this village is mentioned???

I have to find the old box set, hopefully one of my buddies stilll have it, I have to know this.
#8
brimstone
Jan 13, 2004 9:21:27
Originally posted by Richard Connery
Dwarven Kingdoms of Krynn mentions an Irda village somewhere in the Kharolis mountain range.

Is this supposed to be the same area that is visited in The Gates of Thorbardin?
#9
zombiegleemax
Jan 13, 2004 21:03:37 voiceman: DKK is based after WotL so, circa 360 AC?

Tobin: I wouldn't know for sure, it's been a while since I read that one (and already have a backlog of novels to catch up -- sacred fire ugh).

EDIT: that reminds me The Sylvan Veil also mentions the Irda Heart ruins. No irda are specifically mentioned but it wouldn't be far fetched to say there's probably a few irda hanging out in Silvanesti, I think.
#10
zombiegleemax
Jan 15, 2004 5:18:34 DL9268, Otherlands , describes in some detail the Mischta, or "Twilight Irda". They inhabit the island of Selasia in the Spine of Taladas chain, and have a population some 2,000-strong. For all intents and purposes they seem to be identical to the Irda of Ansalon, with the same powers and abilities. Then there are the N'zunta, an evil race of "Dark Irda" who have maintained their power and beauty through centuries of selective breeding and racial purity policies. IIRC there are about 300 of them. I think we can assume that the devastation visited upon the Ansalonian Irda did not affect the others.
#11
brimstone
Jan 15, 2004 9:50:02
Originally posted by Twilight Herald
DL9268, Otherlands , describes in some detail the Mischta, or "Twilight Irda". They inhabit the island of Selasia in the Spine of Taladas chain, and have a population some 2,000-strong. For all intents and purposes they seem to be identical to the Irda of Ansalon, with the same powers and abilities.

I do believe that there is some speculation even that this island, Selasia, is possibly the island of the Irda in Dragons of Summer Flame.

I don't know, I think it's possible. (Usha's boat was magical, after all)
#12
zombiegleemax
Jan 15, 2004 18:39:47
Originally posted by Brimstone
I do believe that there is some speculation even that this island, Selasia, is possibly the island of the Irda in Dragons of Summer Flame.

I don't know, I think it's possible. (Usha's boat was magical, after all)

I don't think this is likely. Selasia as described in Otherlands
is very different from the Isle of the Irda - thick jungles inhabited by elephants, tigers, etc, with a range of towering volcanoes in the middle. Also, Selasia is home to some 2,000 high ogres who dwell in a much more sociable and close-knit fashion than the Ansalonian Irda - from the description in Summer Flame , I can't see there being more than a couple of hundred Irda on the Isle, and they seemed to spread out from each other as much as possible. So I think its safe to say that Selasia and its population still exist, relatively untouched by the Chaos War.
#13
banshee
Jan 18, 2004 12:13:42
Originally posted by Twilight Herald
I don't think this is likely. Selasia as described in Otherlands
is very different from the Isle of the Irda - thick jungles inhabited by elephants, tigers, etc, with a range of towering volcanoes in the middle. Also, Selasia is home to some 2,000 high ogres who dwell in a much more sociable and close-knit fashion than the Ansalonian Irda - from the description in Summer Flame , I can't see there being more than a couple of hundred Irda on the Isle, and they seemed to spread out from each other as much as possible. So I think its safe to say that Selasia and its population still exist, relatively untouched by the Chaos War.

But the Irda, as described to be solitary and dying out etc. have only been described that way in Dragons of Summer Flame, which based it's conception off "Raistlin's Daughter". In all the gaming material, from Tales of the Lance to Otherlands, to the 2nd Ed. Dragonlance monstrous compendium, Irda were described as very family oriented, living in husband/wife pairings with 1d4 children every 50 years.

That is very different from the way they were described in Dragons of Summer Flame. Both Tales of the Lance and the first Dragonlance hardcover mentioned that during the War of the Lance, Takhisis had raided the island, and pulled taken many Irda into captivity. At the end of the war many escaped, and were wandering Ansalon in disguise. They were unable to find their way home, because though they could feel the call of Anaiatha, they were unable to find it, due to the masking magics that hid the island from view.

Hence, I tend to disagree with the depiction of the Irda in Summer Flame as the main isle, and I figure that regardless of what happened to the Irda on the isle (whether it is the main isle or not), there are still at least the Mischta, as well as several hundred normal Irda who are wandering Ansalon, trying to find a way home (possibly to a home that no longer exists).

Banshee
#14
zombiegleemax
Jan 18, 2004 13:04:31 I really like Banshee's POV here. It gives a totally interesting way to pull it off.....perhaps we will see a subrace that details the Summer Flame Island Irda spring from this idea in the future. It really makes for an interesting character foil.....and an obvious reason for adventuring...trying to find a way home....and maybe....if they find their way to the home that doesnt exist anymore....so many character development ideas...oooh.....is starting the charry creation process with his first game group to be playing with the DLCS today....decides to push the Irda race....."See....theres this race..it's a good ogre...no not ugly...very pretty...and magic" Yup!
#15
banshee
Jan 18, 2004 20:16:04
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
I really like Banshee's POV here. It gives a totally interesting way to pull it off.....perhaps we will see a subrace that details the Summer Flame Island Irda spring from this idea in the future. It really makes for an interesting character foil.....and an obvious reason for adventuring...trying to find a way home....and maybe....if they find their way to the home that doesnt exist anymore....so many character development ideas...oooh.....is starting the charry creation process with his first game group to be playing with the DLCS today....decides to push the Irda race....."See....theres this race..it's a good ogre...no not ugly...very pretty...and magic" Yup!

Thank you Personally, I think the idea of lost Irda trying to find their way home rather interesting. Think of it from this perspective. They are a race of shapechangers, that the other races of Krynn hate and fear. So, they've disguised themselves as the natives and wander around. There could be several hundred Irda out there trying to find the way back to Anaiatha.....but since they're all disguised, it's a little like playing "blind man's bluff". None of them can even find each other. Unless they have means of recognizing each other in shapechanged form.

It's just one among many disconnects between the game material and novel material. Personally, I've always disliked the manner in which the Irda were portrayed in the Weis/Hickman story and novel, so I choose to stick with the game canon, which basically disregards a lot of the Irda social elements that have been added to the race.

Banshee
#16
zombiegleemax
Jan 19, 2004 22:00:01 Reading of these posts, I am pretty convinced that the island in DoaSF was not Anaiatha.

There is a note though, didn't Usha bring the Irdanaiath back from that island? Most sources I have read said that the only copy of the Irdanaiath existed on Anaiatha.

Did the novel, The Irda describe Anaiatha at all?
#17
jrblasingame
Jan 19, 2004 22:54:25 No, she braught a scroll that contained the history of the Greygem from the Irda point of view. Now this might have been from the Ir..what-its-face (can't spell it) that Igraine started, but it wasn't the whole history of the world IRda style book (that would have to be HUGE!)
#18
zombiegleemax
Jan 20, 2004 4:05:13
Originally posted by JRBlasingame
No, she braught a scroll that contained the history of the Greygem from the Irda point of view. Now this might have been from the Ir..what-its-face (can't spell it) that Igraine started, but it wasn't the whole history of the world IRda style book (that would have to be HUGE!)

My memory on this is not very good. If the Irdanaiath was not on the island, than it most likely was not Anaiatha. Your mention of a scroll seems to be right.

Anyways the Irdanaiath, I belive, is just one book. It really is akin to the bible. It is the book Ingrane wrote to keep his people from following down the same path as the other ogres. It is a book of philosphy and moral directions with calls to have faith in the gods. It is also a historical book, but only up to Ingrane's time. I do not believe the Irdanaiath was ever added to by any other writer. There exists only one true copy that was hand written by Ingrane, though portions may have been copyied by other irda. They also quote from it often.

See I could be mixing the things up. The information Usha brought probably was not linked to the Irdanaiath at all.

So that main point is, that if the island in DoaSF was Anaiatha, there should have been a shrine that contained the original Irdanaiath. Something the Mischta would definitly be questing for if they knew it was unguarded.
#19
banshee
Jan 20, 2004 16:26:44
Originally posted by JRBlasingame
No, she braught a scroll that contained the history of the Greygem from the Irda point of view. Now this might have been from the Ir..what-its-face (can't spell it) that Igraine started, but it wasn't the whole history of the world IRda style book (that would have to be HUGE!)

That scroll is very different from the Irdanaith. The Irdanaith detailed the history of the ogres and the Irda, didn't it? The scroll was just their history of the greygem....and given that they only located it within the last 5-10 years before the Chaos War, it might not have been a long span of time. The gem was found by the Brothers Majere shortly before the war wasn't it? And at that time it was still being held by Gargath..

Banshee
#20
jrblasingame
Jan 20, 2004 22:41:25
Originally posted by Banshee
That scroll is very different from the Irdanaith. The Irdanaith detailed the history of the ogres and the Irda, didn't it? The scroll was just their history of the greygem....and given that they only located it within the last 5-10 years before the Chaos War, it might not have been a long span of time. The gem was found by the Brothers Majere shortly before the war wasn't it? And at that time it was still being held by Gargath..

Banshee

No, that scroll was suppose to be the whole history of the Greygem, not just the history of the Greygem while it was in the possession of the Irda. I'm going to guess that the Irda (being interested in magic, and being very magically inclined) have had that history for awhile, which is why they believe it is the "correct" history (that and thier arrogance).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 b4real Jan 12, 2004 9:27:54	Was the entire race(The Irda) decimated in the novel, Dragons of Summer Flame? ~B4Real
#2 cam_banks Jan 12, 2004 9:31:35	Originally posted by B4Real Was the entire race(The Irda) decimated in the novel, Dragons of Summer Flame? Nope. There's a possibility that some isolated individuals were not on the island at the time. They're certainly incredibly rare, though. Cheers, Cam
#3 b4real Jan 12, 2004 9:46:16	Originally posted by Cam Banks Nope. There's a possibility that some isolated individuals were not on the island at the time. They're certainly incredibly rare, though. Cheers, Cam Did you actually read the entire book(Dragons of Summer Flame)? That book is one of the thickest I have ever seen. ~B4Real
#4 cam_banks Jan 12, 2004 9:50:50	Originally posted by B4Real Did you actually read the entire book(Dragons of Summer Flame)? That book is one of the thickest I have ever seen. Yes, I read a lot of very thick books. Cheers, Cam
#5 zombiegleemax Jan 12, 2004 11:09:36	Dwarven Kingdoms of Krynn mentions an Irda village somewhere in the Kharolis mountain range.
#6 ferratus Jan 12, 2004 11:44:41	Yep, the Irda race was decimated. In fact, I'd be suprised if there was more than a dozen Irda left in entirety of Krynn. Thus, I probably would never use an irda as a protagonist or villain in any story or adventure because I'd feel too guilty. They are simply to rare for me to consider using them casually.
#7 zombiegleemax Jan 12, 2004 19:34:09	Originally posted by Richard Connery Dwarven Kingdoms of Krynn mentions an Irda village somewhere in the Kharolis mountain range. Didn't know that. Do you know the approx. year this village is mentioned??? I have to find the old box set, hopefully one of my buddies stilll have it, I have to know this.
#8 brimstone Jan 13, 2004 9:21:27	Originally posted by Richard Connery Dwarven Kingdoms of Krynn mentions an Irda village somewhere in the Kharolis mountain range. Is this supposed to be the same area that is visited in The Gates of Thorbardin?
#9 zombiegleemax Jan 13, 2004 21:03:37	voiceman: DKK is based after WotL so, circa 360 AC? Tobin: I wouldn't know for sure, it's been a while since I read that one (and already have a backlog of novels to catch up -- sacred fire ugh). EDIT: that reminds me The Sylvan Veil also mentions the Irda Heart ruins. No irda are specifically mentioned but it wouldn't be far fetched to say there's probably a few irda hanging out in Silvanesti, I think.
#10 zombiegleemax Jan 15, 2004 5:18:34	DL9268, Otherlands , describes in some detail the Mischta, or "Twilight Irda". They inhabit the island of Selasia in the Spine of Taladas chain, and have a population some 2,000-strong. For all intents and purposes they seem to be identical to the Irda of Ansalon, with the same powers and abilities. Then there are the N'zunta, an evil race of "Dark Irda" who have maintained their power and beauty through centuries of selective breeding and racial purity policies. IIRC there are about 300 of them. I think we can assume that the devastation visited upon the Ansalonian Irda did not affect the others.
#11 brimstone Jan 15, 2004 9:50:02	Originally posted by Twilight Herald DL9268, Otherlands , describes in some detail the Mischta, or "Twilight Irda". They inhabit the island of Selasia in the Spine of Taladas chain, and have a population some 2,000-strong. For all intents and purposes they seem to be identical to the Irda of Ansalon, with the same powers and abilities. I do believe that there is some speculation even that this island, Selasia, is possibly the island of the Irda in Dragons of Summer Flame. I don't know, I think it's possible. (Usha's boat was magical, after all)
#12 zombiegleemax Jan 15, 2004 18:39:47	Originally posted by Brimstone I do believe that there is some speculation even that this island, Selasia, is possibly the island of the Irda in Dragons of Summer Flame. I don't know, I think it's possible. (Usha's boat was magical, after all) I don't think this is likely. Selasia as described in Otherlands is very different from the Isle of the Irda - thick jungles inhabited by elephants, tigers, etc, with a range of towering volcanoes in the middle. Also, Selasia is home to some 2,000 high ogres who dwell in a much more sociable and close-knit fashion than the Ansalonian Irda - from the description in Summer Flame , I can't see there being more than a couple of hundred Irda on the Isle, and they seemed to spread out from each other as much as possible. So I think its safe to say that Selasia and its population still exist, relatively untouched by the Chaos War.
#13 banshee Jan 18, 2004 12:13:42	Originally posted by Twilight Herald I don't think this is likely. Selasia as described in Otherlands is very different from the Isle of the Irda - thick jungles inhabited by elephants, tigers, etc, with a range of towering volcanoes in the middle. Also, Selasia is home to some 2,000 high ogres who dwell in a much more sociable and close-knit fashion than the Ansalonian Irda - from the description in Summer Flame , I can't see there being more than a couple of hundred Irda on the Isle, and they seemed to spread out from each other as much as possible. So I think its safe to say that Selasia and its population still exist, relatively untouched by the Chaos War. But the Irda, as described to be solitary and dying out etc. have only been described that way in Dragons of Summer Flame, which based it's conception off "Raistlin's Daughter". In all the gaming material, from Tales of the Lance to Otherlands, to the 2nd Ed. Dragonlance monstrous compendium, Irda were described as very family oriented, living in husband/wife pairings with 1d4 children every 50 years. That is very different from the way they were described in Dragons of Summer Flame. Both Tales of the Lance and the first Dragonlance hardcover mentioned that during the War of the Lance, Takhisis had raided the island, and pulled taken many Irda into captivity. At the end of the war many escaped, and were wandering Ansalon in disguise. They were unable to find their way home, because though they could feel the call of Anaiatha, they were unable to find it, due to the masking magics that hid the island from view. Hence, I tend to disagree with the depiction of the Irda in Summer Flame as the main isle, and I figure that regardless of what happened to the Irda on the isle (whether it is the main isle or not), there are still at least the Mischta, as well as several hundred normal Irda who are wandering Ansalon, trying to find a way home (possibly to a home that no longer exists). Banshee
#14 zombiegleemax Jan 18, 2004 13:04:31	I really like Banshee's POV here. It gives a totally interesting way to pull it off.....perhaps we will see a subrace that details the Summer Flame Island Irda spring from this idea in the future. It really makes for an interesting character foil.....and an obvious reason for adventuring...trying to find a way home....and maybe....if they find their way to the home that doesnt exist anymore....so many character development ideas...oooh.....is starting the charry creation process with his first game group to be playing with the DLCS today....decides to push the Irda race....."See....theres this race..it's a good ogre...no not ugly...very pretty...and magic" Yup!
#15 banshee Jan 18, 2004 20:16:04	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst I really like Banshee's POV here. It gives a totally interesting way to pull it off.....perhaps we will see a subrace that details the Summer Flame Island Irda spring from this idea in the future. It really makes for an interesting character foil.....and an obvious reason for adventuring...trying to find a way home....and maybe....if they find their way to the home that doesnt exist anymore....so many character development ideas...oooh.....is starting the charry creation process with his first game group to be playing with the DLCS today....decides to push the Irda race....."See....theres this race..it's a good ogre...no not ugly...very pretty...and magic" Yup! Thank you Personally, I think the idea of lost Irda trying to find their way home rather interesting. Think of it from this perspective. They are a race of shapechangers, that the other races of Krynn hate and fear. So, they've disguised themselves as the natives and wander around. There could be several hundred Irda out there trying to find the way back to Anaiatha.....but since they're all disguised, it's a little like playing "blind man's bluff". None of them can even find each other. Unless they have means of recognizing each other in shapechanged form. It's just one among many disconnects between the game material and novel material. Personally, I've always disliked the manner in which the Irda were portrayed in the Weis/Hickman story and novel, so I choose to stick with the game canon, which basically disregards a lot of the Irda social elements that have been added to the race. Banshee
#16 zombiegleemax Jan 19, 2004 22:00:01	Reading of these posts, I am pretty convinced that the island in DoaSF was not Anaiatha. There is a note though, didn't Usha bring the Irdanaiath back from that island? Most sources I have read said that the only copy of the Irdanaiath existed on Anaiatha. Did the novel, The Irda describe Anaiatha at all?
#17 jrblasingame Jan 19, 2004 22:54:25	No, she braught a scroll that contained the history of the Greygem from the Irda point of view. Now this might have been from the Ir..what-its-face (can't spell it) that Igraine started, but it wasn't the whole history of the world IRda style book (that would have to be HUGE!)
#18 zombiegleemax Jan 20, 2004 4:05:13	Originally posted by JRBlasingame No, she braught a scroll that contained the history of the Greygem from the Irda point of view. Now this might have been from the Ir..what-its-face (can't spell it) that Igraine started, but it wasn't the whole history of the world IRda style book (that would have to be HUGE!) My memory on this is not very good. If the Irdanaiath was not on the island, than it most likely was not Anaiatha. Your mention of a scroll seems to be right. Anyways the Irdanaiath, I belive, is just one book. It really is akin to the bible. It is the book Ingrane wrote to keep his people from following down the same path as the other ogres. It is a book of philosphy and moral directions with calls to have faith in the gods. It is also a historical book, but only up to Ingrane's time. I do not believe the Irdanaiath was ever added to by any other writer. There exists only one true copy that was hand written by Ingrane, though portions may have been copyied by other irda. They also quote from it often. See I could be mixing the things up. The information Usha brought probably was not linked to the Irdanaiath at all. So that main point is, that if the island in DoaSF was Anaiatha, there should have been a shrine that contained the original Irdanaiath. Something the Mischta would definitly be questing for if they knew it was unguarded.
#19 banshee Jan 20, 2004 16:26:44	Originally posted by JRBlasingame No, she braught a scroll that contained the history of the Greygem from the Irda point of view. Now this might have been from the Ir..what-its-face (can't spell it) that Igraine started, but it wasn't the whole history of the world IRda style book (that would have to be HUGE!) That scroll is very different from the Irdanaith. The Irdanaith detailed the history of the ogres and the Irda, didn't it? The scroll was just their history of the greygem....and given that they only located it within the last 5-10 years before the Chaos War, it might not have been a long span of time. The gem was found by the Brothers Majere shortly before the war wasn't it? And at that time it was still being held by Gargath.. Banshee
#20 jrblasingame Jan 20, 2004 22:41:25	Originally posted by Banshee That scroll is very different from the Irdanaith. The Irdanaith detailed the history of the ogres and the Irda, didn't it? The scroll was just their history of the greygem....and given that they only located it within the last 5-10 years before the Chaos War, it might not have been a long span of time. The gem was found by the Brothers Majere shortly before the war wasn't it? And at that time it was still being held by Gargath.. Banshee No, that scroll was suppose to be the whole history of the Greygem, not just the history of the Greygem while it was in the possession of the Irda. I'm going to guess that the Irda (being interested in magic, and being very magically inclined) have had that history for awhile, which is why they believe it is the "correct" history (that and thier arrogance).