But then, I suppose, I have to ask, do dragons have wattles? If they don't and draconians do, where do the draconians get theirs from?
Now, back to the dictionary until I find some more humorous words to ask DL based questions on...
I've not seen any paintings of draconians (or dragons for that matter) with wattles. I know alot of reptiles have them (and birds...another possible connection). But I don't believe Dragons are reptiles. I'm sure they are warm blooded. I think that's even speculated in...uh...one of the supplimental books.
Anyway, so I don't think there's a connection between reptiles and dragons...except for the scales, of course.
And, I'd say, unless the evil magic changed their basic structure, which I doubt because they still run on all fours with ease, then the dracs most likely have a slight waddle to them...for their hind legs were not designed for upward movement...but has been adapted (but I'm guessing with a waddle).
And, I'd say, unless the evil magic changed their basic structure, which I doubt because they still run on all fours with ease, then the dracs most likely have a slight waddle to them...for their hind legs were not designed for upward movement...but has been adapted (but I'm guessing with a waddle).
And now my kender has a new insult. "You ducks!" or "Can't walk right can ya. I know why, cause your not real creatures. Just magic. Like golems (do they exist in DL?)!" Who knows....
I think that's even speculated in...uh...one of the supplimental books.
That'd be Chapter 1 of The Draconomicon. It actually mentioned that Dragons' movement and body structure is actually more similar in some ways to felines than lizards. Personally, I think they're both reptiles AND warm-blooded, like dinosaurs.
Hmm, and I believe technically that it is unclear wether or not the dinasaurs were reptiles....since if they were warm blooded, they'd not be real reptiles. They are certainly decended from reptiles (as are we).
-Drachasor
Originally posted by Drachasor
Hmm, and I believe technically that it is unclear wether or not the dinasaurs were reptiles....since if they were warm blooded, they'd not be real reptiles. They are certainly decended from reptiles (as are we).
Hmm...I've noticed an awful lot "crackpot" theories (ie. not proven or even accepted by a majority of scientists) being tossed around here like facts.
Anyway...real world aside (;)) the draconians have always been male, not sexless. Even in Chronicles, that Baaz suggests sexual relations between him and Tika...which almost sets Caramon off.
It was explained that they were all bred as males so that the population could be controlled...not that they were sexless.
Originally posted by Brimstone
Hmm...I've noticed an awful lot "crackpot" theories (ie. not proven or even accepted by a majority of scientists) being tossed around here like facts.
Anyway...real world aside (;)) the draconians have always been male, not sexless. Even in Chronicles, that Baaz suggests sexual relations between him and Tika...which almost sets Caramon off.
It was explained that they were all bred as males so that the population could be controlled...not that they were sexless.
Hmm, was I off?.....are we decended merely from amphibians? Hmm, or is that also unclear in the record? I thought it was Amphibians->early reptiles->Dinasaurs, birds, humans, etc....wether or not birds came from the dinasaurs is also not certain at the moment (or at least it is still be argued out by many a scientist).
Hmm, I guess I was off about the Draconians being sexless then...I must have forgotten the later part. Do you know where it was explained they were kept *male* to control the population? I don't find the Tika incident entirely convincing, since I believe that Bazz was, as they say, a jerk....and so might have said that merely to anger Caramon and harass Tika.
-Drachasor
Edit: oops, had "sexless" instead of "male"...changed it
Originally posted by Drachasor
Do you know where it was explained they were kept sexless to control the population?
I'm pretty sure that it is not stated anywhere (unless incorrectly when happens from time to time to time to time in Draognlance) that the draconians were kept sexless.
And...you're going to be hard pressed to find many (if any) scientists that say that humans are decended from amphibians...much less lizards. Strict evolutionists have a hard enough time proving humans are desended from apes (I think the most accepted theory these days is humans and apes evolved in parallel).
The theory of a straight line thoery (amoeba -> fish -> amphibian -> reptile -> mammal -> ape -> human) has pretty much gone the way of the dodo, my friend.
Originally posted by Brimstone
I'm pretty sure that it is not stated anywhere (unless incorrectly when happens from time to time to time to time in Draognlance) that the draconians were kept sexless.
And...you're going to be hard pressed to find many (if any) scientists that say that humans are decended from amphibians...much less lizards. Strict evolutionists have a hard enough time proving humans are desended from apes (I think the most accepted theory these days is humans and apes evolved in parallel).
The theory of a straight line thoery (amoeba -> fish -> amphibian -> reptile -> mammal -> ape -> human) has pretty much gone the way of the dodo, my friend.
As for the "sexless" part...I meant "male" there.....I edited my post to reflect that. So, if you wouldn't mind telling me (and you remember) where it is stated that draconians were kept male, I would appreciate it.
As for the evolution bit, I think you are a bit off (or have just been imprecise). The vast majority of scientist would say that humans and *modern* apes evolved from a common ancestor. There's a big difference between that and humans evolving from apes that most people overlook. Similarly, no scientist would say that humans evolved from modern reptiles or amphibians, and I am sorry if I was being unclear when I meant to be saying that modern amphibians, mammals, and reptiles have common ancestors....usually that is understood, so I didn't express it. And there are straight lines after a fasion, since everyone has a parent...and those parents have parents...etc. It just so happens tha very often, one species will evolve into more than one times of species (because it's population gets divided in some way). Just because the fossil record can't show every train of evolutionary history, doesn't mean it didn't happen that way....the theory is sound and so the gaps are filled in by the hypothetical train (and later revised if evidence shows them wrong)...often the hypothetical train is debated and argued (e.g. the origin of birds) however.
-Drachasor
Do you know where it was explained they were kept *male* to control the population?
I believe it is stated in one of the Kang books. The human's saw what a threat draconians could be if they were allowed to repopulate and all that, so they kept the females locked away and never finished the last part of the spell that was needed to complete the transformation from dragon to draconian.
Originally posted by Drachasor
As for the "sexless" part...I meant "male" there.....I edited my post to reflect that. So, if you wouldn't mind telling me (and you remember) where it is stated that draconians were kept male, I would appreciate it.
That will have to be for someone with a more precise memory than me. I would guess that DL16, Mysts of Krynn probably talks about it. It is the first place (that I can think of) that details the draconians in depth. DLA might mention it. I'd have to do some searching to find it for sure. But I bet there are people on here who know for sure where it is without looking. (oh, and I know that New Tales...a four adventure module...mentions it)
Originally posted by Drachasor
Similarly, no scientist would say that humans evolved from modern reptiles or amphibians, and I am sorry if I was being unclear when I meant to be saying that modern amphibians, mammals, and reptiles have common ancestors
Yeah, I'll buy that that is the most commonly accepted hypothosis. But I thought you were talking about the old "hypothosis"...the original evolution idea (cause you did say we were decended from reptiles)
Anyway...this is way off topic now. So, I think this is as good as any place to stop.
2) No. Dragons have no wattles.
1) I always look at the draconian spell as altering the embryo that had already existing in the egg. If they wanted just male, just use male dragon eggs.
2) Whether typo or not, the draconians in Taladas had females in their writeup in the boxed set.