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#1
zombiegleemax
Jan 13, 2004 20:29:54 In my campaign, I want to have a big battle between two large cities, Palanthas being one of them. I'm curious as to how their governments work and what might lead them to war. Since the knights are from solomnia, it would probably be no contest anyways....is there something I could do about that or is there a more worthy opponent? Thanks
#2
talinthas
Jan 13, 2004 20:38:35 LOL!!!!!!!

ahh, the irony.

the government? Lord Amothus rules one, a council rules the other. Why would they go to war? Beats me- both are trading partners and allies of the solamnics, and part of the greater state of Solamnia...

Perhaps the govt of Kalaman is being controlled by necromancers who want to harness all the undead in nightlund to destroy the rest of solamnia. or something...

I can't stop laughing enough to answer =)
#3
kipper_snifferdoo_02
Jan 13, 2004 21:33:49
Originally posted by talinthas
the government? Lord Amothus rules one, a council rules the other. Why would they go to war? Beats me- both are trading partners and allies of the solamnics, and part of the greater state of Solamnia...

Perhaps the govt of Kalaman is being controlled by necromancers who want to harness all the undead in nightlund to destroy the rest of solamnia. or something...

Well it would help to know what Year you are looking at running this campaign. After the War of Souls Palanthas is still under the rule of the Dark Knights.

Kalaman is ruled by Lord Genton, a previous commander of the city's militia and a council of merchant lords. The undead that were plaguing them before the War of Souls have left.

So in that case it might be possible to start something between them.
#4
silvanthalas
Jan 14, 2004 7:11:56
Originally posted by talinthas
ahh, the irony.

Rather fitting, don't you think?
#5
zombiegleemax
Jan 14, 2004 8:25:39 Spill it! I dont care about the current story arc, tell us what might have been. or else!! *pokes*
#6
brimstone
Jan 14, 2004 9:36:41
Originally posted by silvanthalas
Rather fitting, don't you think?

I guess I missed something...the irony escapes me...
#7
zombiegleemax
Jan 14, 2004 11:54:41
Originally posted by Brimstone
Originally posted by silvanthalas
Rather fitting, don't you think?

I guess I missed something...the irony escapes me...

Maybe he's using the Alannis Morrisette definition of irony?
#8
zombiegleemax
Jan 14, 2004 14:53:25 I know it wasn't very well thought out, thats why I asked for help/opinions. I don't know much about Kalaman or that the two were trading partners. Rather than laughing....how about a little(more likely alot) help to make it feasable.
#9
talinthas
Jan 14, 2004 21:40:45 No friend, i wasn't laughing at you. It's just that for the past 8 years or so, i've been begging and pleading for solamnia to be fleshed out, specifically with governments. If my request had been heard, you wouldnt have to ask this question. For instance, do we even know if Palanthas is in Solamnia? We know that it is guarded by knights, but Lord Amothus runs the place, and Solanthus is the capital of solamnia....

all sorts of questions arise, and they should have all been answered in a campaign book. How can a proper campaign be run without basic info?

This is why i laughed- a bitter, disheartened, sarcastic laugh.
#10
zombiegleemax
Jan 15, 2004 0:16:06
Originally posted by talinthas
No friend, i wasn't laughing at you. It's just that for the past 8 years or so, i've been begging and pleading for solamnia to be fleshed out, specifically with governments. If my request had been heard, you wouldnt have to ask this question. For instance, do we even know if Palanthas is in Solamnia? We know that it is guarded by knights, but Lord Amothus runs the place, and Solanthus is the capital of solamnia....

all sorts of questions arise, and they should have all been answered in a campaign book. How can a proper campaign be run without basic info?

This is why i laughed- a bitter, disheartened, sarcastic laugh.

You know, this would make a great article for the Tobril.

:D
#11
ferratus
Jan 15, 2004 1:16:15 Well, personally I'd like to see Kalaman, Palanthas, and Solanthus become 3 different facets of the Solamnic personality. These would be very intense and pious people.

Kalaman would become the center of Kiri-Jolith worship, hammering against the remaining undead and creating a marchland to punch through Estwilde and into Nereka.

Palanthas would signify urban sophistication, new ideas, tolerance and the humanistic teachings of a god now mortal.

Solanthus would be the center of tradition and Solamnic ideals of honour, fortitude, and virtue are upheld.

Just something I injected into the cities to make adventuring in one very different from adventuring in another, yet still fit together in a greater Solamnic tapestry.
#12
zombiegleemax
Jan 15, 2004 7:13:26
Solanthus would be the center of tradition and Solamnic ideals of honour, fortitude, and virtue are upheld.

The Solanthians, or whatever they're called, have kicked the Solamnic Knights out. Again. I doubt they'll still hold all their traditions, although maybe still hold similar ideals.
#13
cam_banks
Jan 15, 2004 9:14:51
Originally posted by pddisc
The Solanthians, or whatever they're called, have kicked the Solamnic Knights out. Again. I doubt they'll still hold all their traditions, although maybe still hold similar ideals.

They're also dominated by Shinare and the other Neutral gods. My kind of town!

Cheers,
Cam
#14
ferratus
Jan 15, 2004 13:02:06
Originally posted by pddisc
The Solanthians, or whatever they're called, have kicked the Solamnic Knights out. Again. I doubt they'll still hold all their traditions, although maybe still hold similar ideals.

Oh, the center of the Solamnic Knighthood will be Vingaard Keep. I have no doubt that the Solamnic cities will be controlled by merchant senates and lord mayors in the Palanthian model. They'd be a fool not to be represented and ruled by people who understand economics. All the knighthood knows is war and honour. Makes them exemplary warriors, but poor rulers. That's why Raye Oakensheild will add "The Charter" to the Oath and the Measure, outlining the duties of the Knighthood to the Solamnic homeland.

However, Solanthus is the center of the Solamnic country, so I figured that they'd probably be the most closely tied to the knights of all of the major cities.
#15
silvanthalas
Jan 15, 2004 19:50:12 You know, except for what was presented in WoS (which still wasn't alot), the presence of the Solamnic Knighthood on mainland Ansalon seems to be next to nil at times.

All the focus seemed to be upon Sancrist.

I can't be the only one who wonders how such a nation has maintained it's "grip" over such a large portion of Ansalon for the last +400 years.

I mean, even considering that Solanthus, Palanthas, etc, are city-states, they all fell in line during the WotL. As if the Solamnics truly were in charge the whole time.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jan 13, 2004 20:29:54	In my campaign, I want to have a big battle between two large cities, Palanthas being one of them. I'm curious as to how their governments work and what might lead them to war. Since the knights are from solomnia, it would probably be no contest anyways....is there something I could do about that or is there a more worthy opponent? Thanks
#2 talinthas Jan 13, 2004 20:38:35	LOL!!!!!!! ahh, the irony. the government? Lord Amothus rules one, a council rules the other. Why would they go to war? Beats me- both are trading partners and allies of the solamnics, and part of the greater state of Solamnia... Perhaps the govt of Kalaman is being controlled by necromancers who want to harness all the undead in nightlund to destroy the rest of solamnia. or something... I can't stop laughing enough to answer =)
#3 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Jan 13, 2004 21:33:49	Originally posted by talinthas the government? Lord Amothus rules one, a council rules the other. Why would they go to war? Beats me- both are trading partners and allies of the solamnics, and part of the greater state of Solamnia... Perhaps the govt of Kalaman is being controlled by necromancers who want to harness all the undead in nightlund to destroy the rest of solamnia. or something... Well it would help to know what Year you are looking at running this campaign. After the War of Souls Palanthas is still under the rule of the Dark Knights. Kalaman is ruled by Lord Genton, a previous commander of the city's militia and a council of merchant lords. The undead that were plaguing them before the War of Souls have left. So in that case it might be possible to start something between them.
#4 silvanthalas Jan 14, 2004 7:11:56	Originally posted by talinthas ahh, the irony. Rather fitting, don't you think?
#5 zombiegleemax Jan 14, 2004 8:25:39	Spill it! I dont care about the current story arc, tell us what might have been. or else!! pokes
#6 brimstone Jan 14, 2004 9:36:41	Originally posted by silvanthalas Rather fitting, don't you think? I guess I missed something...the irony escapes me...
#7 zombiegleemax Jan 14, 2004 11:54:41	Originally posted by Brimstone Originally posted by silvanthalas Rather fitting, don't you think? I guess I missed something...the irony escapes me... Maybe he's using the Alannis Morrisette definition of irony?
#8 zombiegleemax Jan 14, 2004 14:53:25	I know it wasn't very well thought out, thats why I asked for help/opinions. I don't know much about Kalaman or that the two were trading partners. Rather than laughing....how about a little(more likely alot) help to make it feasable.
#9 talinthas Jan 14, 2004 21:40:45	No friend, i wasn't laughing at you. It's just that for the past 8 years or so, i've been begging and pleading for solamnia to be fleshed out, specifically with governments. If my request had been heard, you wouldnt have to ask this question. For instance, do we even know if Palanthas is in Solamnia? We know that it is guarded by knights, but Lord Amothus runs the place, and Solanthus is the capital of solamnia.... all sorts of questions arise, and they should have all been answered in a campaign book. How can a proper campaign be run without basic info? This is why i laughed- a bitter, disheartened, sarcastic laugh.
#10 zombiegleemax Jan 15, 2004 0:16:06	Originally posted by talinthas No friend, i wasn't laughing at you. It's just that for the past 8 years or so, i've been begging and pleading for solamnia to be fleshed out, specifically with governments. If my request had been heard, you wouldnt have to ask this question. For instance, do we even know if Palanthas is in Solamnia? We know that it is guarded by knights, but Lord Amothus runs the place, and Solanthus is the capital of solamnia.... all sorts of questions arise, and they should have all been answered in a campaign book. How can a proper campaign be run without basic info? This is why i laughed- a bitter, disheartened, sarcastic laugh. You know, this would make a great article for the Tobril. :D
#11 ferratus Jan 15, 2004 1:16:15	Well, personally I'd like to see Kalaman, Palanthas, and Solanthus become 3 different facets of the Solamnic personality. These would be very intense and pious people. Kalaman would become the center of Kiri-Jolith worship, hammering against the remaining undead and creating a marchland to punch through Estwilde and into Nereka. Palanthas would signify urban sophistication, new ideas, tolerance and the humanistic teachings of a god now mortal. Solanthus would be the center of tradition and Solamnic ideals of honour, fortitude, and virtue are upheld. Just something I injected into the cities to make adventuring in one very different from adventuring in another, yet still fit together in a greater Solamnic tapestry.
#12 zombiegleemax Jan 15, 2004 7:13:26	Solanthus would be the center of tradition and Solamnic ideals of honour, fortitude, and virtue are upheld. The Solanthians, or whatever they're called, have kicked the Solamnic Knights out. Again. I doubt they'll still hold all their traditions, although maybe still hold similar ideals.
#13 cam_banks Jan 15, 2004 9:14:51	Originally posted by pddisc The Solanthians, or whatever they're called, have kicked the Solamnic Knights out. Again. I doubt they'll still hold all their traditions, although maybe still hold similar ideals. They're also dominated by Shinare and the other Neutral gods. My kind of town! Cheers, Cam
#14 ferratus Jan 15, 2004 13:02:06	Originally posted by pddisc The Solanthians, or whatever they're called, have kicked the Solamnic Knights out. Again. I doubt they'll still hold all their traditions, although maybe still hold similar ideals. Oh, the center of the Solamnic Knighthood will be Vingaard Keep. I have no doubt that the Solamnic cities will be controlled by merchant senates and lord mayors in the Palanthian model. They'd be a fool not to be represented and ruled by people who understand economics. All the knighthood knows is war and honour. Makes them exemplary warriors, but poor rulers. That's why Raye Oakensheild will add "The Charter" to the Oath and the Measure, outlining the duties of the Knighthood to the Solamnic homeland. However, Solanthus is the center of the Solamnic country, so I figured that they'd probably be the most closely tied to the knights of all of the major cities.
#15 silvanthalas Jan 15, 2004 19:50:12	You know, except for what was presented in WoS (which still wasn't alot), the presence of the Solamnic Knighthood on mainland Ansalon seems to be next to nil at times. All the focus seemed to be upon Sancrist. I can't be the only one who wonders how such a nation has maintained it's "grip" over such a large portion of Ansalon for the last +400 years. I mean, even considering that Solanthus, Palanthas, etc, are city-states, they all fell in line during the WotL. As if the Solamnics truly were in charge the whole time.