Here's how it would start...
A polymorphed celestial and fiend, both are in some type of humaniod form, are spy missions or something like that. Anyways they are at a tavern and happy hour starts up...well lets just say they get completely tanked and one thing leads to another. Frankly, that would be one of those strange circumstances that it just may be possible under.
Remember the other rule: All rules have exceptions.
as an aside. everyone knows that depending on the gender of the parent demon you end up being either an alufeind, or cambion. But what are the offspring of devils with mortals called?
ashy
I just call 'em half fiends for lack of a better name.
*cough* "Not that I'll be siring anything anytime soon. Not that I'd tell anyone if I was. And don't believe those rumors about Kylie the Tout being my kid or my grandkid. Stinking gossips..."
Right, It's on Karasuthra, the third layer ofthe Beastlands. A place called the Labyrinth of Fiery Doom.No one knows the dark of it. An Agathinon and an Erinyes baatezu, Janarr and Nalura, respectively, met on a prime world. There, they fell in love, before realizing what the other was (they were i other forms). When they realized what the otherwas, they fled, knowing fully well that they would be doomed by their respective race. They came up with a story that janarr is a great red wyrm and Nalura a Succubus, so they would be left alone.
How would these beings fall inlove with each other? Nalura seduced a paragon of purity, and janarr turned a baatezu's lustful nature to true love.
Oh, and they're expecting their first child...
This is one possibility of a Fiend/Celestial crossbreed(Most likely Janarr and Nalura's child will end up as something like this)
PS. Everyone make sure and check out my new Sect, the Campaigners, I think you'll find them a neat conscept and a great new addition to any 3nd edition Planescape Campaign
Gotta love that cute little love story, though.
*ponders Shemmy with a motherly glow, and a third trimester belly*
Originally posted by Incenjucar
*ponders Shemmy with a motherly glow, and a third trimester belly*
*SHUDDER*
"How fortuitous that the lady is naturally resistant to fire."
;)
On a more serious note, one could easily to an entire book on planar crossbreeds (And, hopefully, without the blunt 'throw on a template!' thing.... I can see two half templates that MERGE, but simply adding to a race is just... feh.
Originally posted by Choleric Psion
So the real question is whats an alufeind, or cambion?
They are the offspring of tanar'ri and humans. Tieflings generally don't have fiendish parents, at that level the blood still runs to strong for them to be merely "plane touched." It takes at least 2 generations for the children to be human enough to be called a tiefling. But back to your question.
Alufiends are children of a succubus and a male human. They have bat wings, human bodies, and actually look alot like the succubus. A good number of them have some spellcasting ability. Cambions are the offspring of a male tanar'ri and a human female. They look like fiendish drow IMHO. They have pointy ears, crazy white hair, and leathery black skin.
Both alufiends and cambions are considered tanar'ri, though they are offen marginalized because of their half-breed nature.
Anyway, does anyone know of any more notable cambions and alufiends. I know that there was an alufiend in Planescape: Torment who run the Curiosity Shop? but I can’t recall her name.
And Rule-Of-Three in Sigil is a cambion as well, though he always appears as an old githzerei.
:D
1. Abounding with, or producing choler, or bile.
2. Easily irritated; irascible; inclined to anger.
3. Angry; indicating anger; excited by anger.
Choleric is one of the four "humours" or temperaments, the other three being sanguine, melancholic and phlegmatic. The concept originates from the archaic belief that illnesses were caused by an imbalance in the levels of the four bodily fluids (I believe the practice of bleeding was related to this).
Wyvern
Originally posted by ashramry
everyone knows that depending on the gender of the parent demon you end up being either an alufeind, or cambion. But what are the offspring of devils with mortals called?
Actually, the offspring of devils and mortals are called devil-kin (see Guide to Hell for further details).
Originally posted by Shemeska the Marauder
And Rule-Of-Three in Sigil is a cambion as well, though he always appears as an old githzerei.
(First off, I'd like to preface this by saying:
PLEASE PLEASE pardon me for both calling atention to a minor error of yours and being off-topic, Shemeshka! I swear on my soul that this isn't meant as an insult and that I WILL later post something relevant to the discussion! Please don't subject me to horrible fiendish tortures for this act of impudence!
)I assume you mean 'githzerai', right, Shemeshka? I wouldn't bother commenting, but this is about the fourth time recently I've noticed you consistantly misspelling it that way.... And considering how well-informed you are on planar matters, it was somewhat jarring for me.
On a similar note, I recently observed Primus managing to utterly mangle both 'ceremorphosis' and 'ulitharid' in the same post, even though he obviously knows what he's talking about and has read the Illithiad... Also, there's been a large influx of otherwise intelligent planars around here, who can't pronounce 'Sigil' consistantly... Not just those who voluntarily choose, incorrectly or not, to pronounce it with the hard J sound, but those who (myself included, unfortunately) manage to alternate back and forth between the two multiple times in the same spoken conversation.... I would say that it's the chaotic part of my nature asserting itself just like how I'm deliberately inconsistant in pronouncing 'Xaositect' and related terms, but honestly, I am mildly embarrassed over it...
It's like some horrible mental plague is circulating and causing people to mangle words which they ordinarily shouldn't have trouble with... Could it be that we are victims of the dreaded 'Yogoloth fever', spread through contaminated copies of the 3rd Edition Manual of the Planes and other WotC products? Are we doomed to have our linguistic abilities disintigrate further and further until everything we say or post is nothing more than fragmented scramblespeak?
Or have I just gone barmy over nothing?
Now that I've got that out of my system, we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
:: Primus pats his handy Editting Monkey with an innocent smile::
Originally posted by Primus, the One and Prime
:: Primus pats his handy Editting Monkey with an innocent smile::
Ah, well, that's your problem right there, Primus. The highly-intelligent Editting species originated in Ysgard, where they're known for playing good-natured pranks on passing humanoids and each other. They're naturally adept at reading and writing most languages (though they lack the vocal accessories necessary for speech), so if you have one around it wouldn't be a surprise to find that he's been editing your messages.
Originally posted by Feathercircle
[BI assume you mean 'githzerai', right, Shemeshka? I wouldn't bother commenting, but this is about the fourth time recently I've noticed you consistantly misspelling it that way.... And considering how well-informed you are on planar matters, it was somewhat jarring for me. [/b]
*flicker of anger is eyes that is quickly replaced by a calm, pleased expression*
"Ah good, you noticed! I was waiting for one of my admirers here to point that out. The only problem with being such a powerful and influencial paragon of fiedishness is that people are too frightened and meek to point out anything obvious if they think you'll curse them, or incinerate them, etc."
"I'm glad someone finally noticed and pointed it out. That took no small measure of bravery. Perhaps you might be interested in a little bit of contract work from me?"
*bats 'lothy eyelashes* :D
(Wow, can't believe I kept spelling that wrong)
"And I wouldn't know anything at all about any so-called 'Yugoloth fever'. I can easily get you a vial of Gray Wasting though if you wanted..."
I'm honored by your compliments and by your offer, and would be glad to hire out to you for contract work- if you don't mind me sometimes mispronouncing Sigil or pulling the occasional odd job for BOZ, Nemmerle, and the people at the Realms of Evil forums- prior commitments, you know. I can do a little bit of almost anything, though I'm especially good at grammar-vulturing and retrieval of obscure information.
Speaking of obscure information, and more on-topic for this thread, I seem to recall some second-edition sources (A Tiefling's Exultation , in particular) using 'tiefling' to refer to anyone of mixed mortal and fiendish heritage, regardless of how many or few generations removed that heritage may be. Even if it's the only place to use the term in this manner, it's still a good visit for its well-done and creative, if perhaps not entirely balanced, ideas for distinguishing tiefling traits based upon the particulars of their parentage, rather than just having standard traits for all tieflings.
Aasimar (celesial)
Tiefling (fiendish)
Genasi (elemental, various)
Chaond (chaotic)
Zenythri (lawful)
Tuladhara (neutral)
and then some that I don't like so much from Forgotten Realms
Fey'ri (elven/tanar'ric tieflings)
Draegloth (drow half-fiends)
Feytouched (obvious, planetouched with faerie blood)
Maeluth (dwarven/baatezu tieflings)
Shyft (ethereal planetouched)
Tanarukk (demonic orcs)
Wispling (halfling/tanar'ric tiefling
as an aside. everyone knows that depending on the gender of the parent demon you end up being either an alufeind, or cambion. But what are the offspring of devils with mortals called?
ashy [/b]
I'd say that any half-tanar'ri is a cambion, except for the halfbreed spawn of an incubus or succubus, which is an alu-demon or alu-fiend (or just alu, for those who wish to deny their fiendish heritage - see Fire & Dust.). I wouldn't let gender enter into it, especially considering how amorphous that concept can be among the tanar'ri.
I've heard half-baatezu described as "demians." And nephilim, though that should properly refer to the children of fallen celestials. Hellspawn, pit-twisted, astarim, baalim, blood-nuppered... the possible nicknames are endless.
I just call them tieflings or planetouched, actually. Screw the "one-quarter or less" rule. Same with yugoloth-spawn. Probably most half-devils and demi-loths seem to be mortal at first glance, anyway, so they can better infiltrate mortal societies.
Originally posted by Sildatorak
I don't know where (or if) the Nephillim have ever been published in any TSR/WotC material, but they are in the Bible. They were angels that walked the earth during the time of Noah and were destroyed in the flood because they had forsaken heaven for earthly life.
The angels were the Grigori, or the Watchers. The nephilim are the giants they sired with mortal women. The story is mainly from the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees.
The relevant canonical line is this:
"And when men began to multiply over the soil, and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw the daughters of men were fine, and they took wives from any that they chose. And Jehovah said "My spirit shall not be implanted in man forever by their mistep; he is flesh, and his time shall be a hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on earth in those days, and afterwards too, w hen the sons of God went in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them: those were the ancient heroes, the men of fame." - Genesis 9:1-4
The Dead Sea scrolls contain a fragment where Lamech, father of Noah, accuses his wife of cheating on him with an angel. He claims that Noah was a Nephilim, and not his son at all. Noah's mother pleads her innocence.
The Watchers are mentioned in the Planes of Law boxed set, in the Mount Celestia book. Their descendents are described as aasimar.