If any one would like a copy of the Ravenloft text about Kalidnay, just ask.
I did a little research and Kalidnay was omitted from the new Ravenloft setting. (In case you were wondering)
I'm all for it. Wouldn't mind bringing back some of the "dead" SKs, either. [hijack alert] I've posted it before, and I'll say it here: immortal folks have a tendency to want to stay that way - my bet is that all SKs that were not killed by either Rajaat or another champion are likely going to make a comeback.
All right, hijack's over; bringing back Kalidnay, or simply rolling it into the fold is fine by me. On the same point, it might not be a bad time to look back at the recent history of Athas and decide if it doesn't need changing. Was the world a lot more interesting with Borys in it? I think so.
Originally posted by Dawnstealer
I could exist in the Gray, lost forever in the mists of the dead. Gray's pretty close to Ravenloft, anyway.
Not really.
Anyway.
Kalidnay.
Yes.
The question I have is, why do you want Kalidnay back, when there are other, more distinctive SKs and Cities to use? Kalidnay kinda feels like "Tyr Lite"
(As an aside, i personally miss the dead SKs, and kept most of 'em around... Andropinis was just so COOL...)
Was the world a lot more interesting with Borys in it? I think so.
We could always make a new Dragon. I wouldn't want to bring Borys back because his death was such a pivotal point in the Tablelands history. TSR killed off so many of the SKs that I almost cried. Then Lynn Abbey came around and tried to kill off Hamanu! Athas would not be Athas without SKs! So I wouldn't want to use any of them for a new Dragon. They are a dying breed anyway. Maybe this is a good reason to bring out Dregoth?
The question I have is, why do you want Kalidnay back, when there are other, more distinctive SKs and Cities to use? Kalidnay kinda feels like "Tyr Lite"
It probably is, but at least we could have another SK to do something with. We could always revamp Kalidnay.
Kalidnay? My PCs went there a couple of times, but I don't think it needs to be revived.
Cole - I was saying that if you absolutely had to have it back, the Grey was as good a place for it as any. Some pocket dimension or something. I was never too wild about the connection to Ravenloft, anyway, and just left it as a well-haunted ex-city.
[Fairbanks? I'm an Eielson grad! Let's hear it for Alaska boys!]
Besides, Kalid-Ma is not in Ravenloft because of anything he did, in fact he's still alive and in a coma. The reason why Kalidnay was sent to Ravenloft was due to his fanatical High Templarest (that a word?) which was in love with him. So, find a way of getting rid of her, and Ravenloft no longer needs Kalidnay in the Domain of Dread.
But as far as needing new SMs to ravage Athas, hello, Dregoth is still around and kicking and isn't going anywhere anytime soon. If you have access to Dregoth Ascending you will see this, not only that, but he makes a huge change to Athas. So if you want a major bad guy antagonist to point fingers at, you really don't need to bring Borys back, just let Dregoth succeed like he's suppose to in Dregoth Ascending.
Originally posted by NytCrawlr
I'm all for bringing SMs back, as well as Kalid-Ma, but I would rather keep him in Ravenloft and let it come back to Athas eventually once the domain of dread is done with him, screw officiality, it's your campaign do what you want.
Besides, Kalid-Ma is not in Ravenloft because of anything he did, in fact he's still alive and in a coma. The reason why Kalidnay was sent to Ravenloft was due to his fanatical High Templarest (that a word?) which was in love with him. So, find a way of getting rid of her, and Ravenloft no longer needs Kalidnay in the Domain of Dread.
But as far as needing new SMs to ravage Athas, hello, Dregoth is still around and kicking and isn't going anywhere anytime soon. If you have access to Dregoth Ascending you will see this, not only that, but he makes a huge change to Athas. So if you want a major bad guy antagonist to point fingers at, you really don't need to bring Borys back, just let Dregoth succeed like he's suppose to in Dregoth Ascending.
I SWEAR I'm going to run my bike off a cliff because of your hints regarding DA! It's driving me insane, knowing there's the notes for it and SotDL somewhere, and I have no possibility of access to them, and that it'll be forever before athas.org release the epic DS rules and the rest of this! Gah! Who do I have to bribe, love, kill, maim, coddle or beg to get access to the raw notes?! I'm a good boy, honest! I'll do anything! Just make the longing pain stop! I've been waiting years and years and it's unbearable now!
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Originally posted by Dawnstealer
[Fairbanks? I'm an Eielson grad! Let's hear it for Alaska boys!]
*Ahem*
Boo-yah.
West Valley, myself, but I don't really care... I'm actually in Indiana right now. (Flat. Humid. Ugh.)
And I always did like Dregoth... I'm just worried that he's seen by many as a transparent Borys replacement.
Originally posted by Cole Deschain
West Valley, myself, but I don't really care... I'm actually in Indiana right now. (Flat. Humid. Ugh.)
I feel your pain, been here for about 9 years now, bleah.
And I always did like Dregoth... I'm just worried that he's seen by many as a transparent Borys replacement.
Nah, I don't see him as transparent, anything but, and definately can't replace Borys since IMO Dregoth can do alot more damage to Athas than Borys ever did if he isn't careful and somehow can gain his sanity back.
I thought these things were in that artifacts of Athas book. Although, I guess you guys could be ignoring it, as the book contained that whole Irikos thing. I forget who wrote that book and I'm not sure how many people consider it cannon.
Or maybe i am just high.
Originally posted by ishnid
I thought these things were in that artifacts of Athas book. [snip]
Or maybe i am just high.
I never read that book, so I can't say one way or the other. Sounds cool, though, and it could make for a nice, apocalyptic crossover between my two favorite settings... Hmmmm....
Originally posted by ishnid
Ain't Kalidnay's essence trapped in 12(?) obsidian spheres? The Ravenloft domain just had his body. As I recall, if one person were ever to posess all the orbs, Kalidnay would posess said person and be reborn.
You are correct, makes for a great crossover, always liked crossing RL over with DS or vice versa.
I thought these things were in that artifacts of Athas book. Although, I guess you guys could be ignoring it, as the book contained that whole Irikos thing. I forget who wrote that book and I'm not sure how many people consider it cannon.
The Orbs of Kalid-Ma are in the accessory Psionic Artifacts of Athas, and I don't remember it talking about Irikos at all.
Irikos was mentioned in the Book of Artifacts, which was a plain D&D 2nd ed accessory.
If you have access to Dregoth Ascending you will see this, not only that, but he makes a huge change to Athas
Sheesh, and I thought my ex was a tease. . . .