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#1
kelsen
Jan 22, 2004 12:04:43 A long time ago on these boards people went excited about starting a project concerning the cleasing wars. Even a site was promissed... who was in charge of that?

It would be very nice specially because as I remember there was very good ideas, and plots in that thread.

What happened guys?
#2
Grummore
Jan 22, 2004 12:08:53 If I remember, it was our beloved artist Dawnstealer? He will answer, dont worry
#3
dawnstealer
Jan 22, 2004 12:31:24 You know me well. Yes, I was working on this project. Then I had a computer and personal-life meltdown. Right now, I'm pumping out the monsters from Terrors from the Desert. Once I'm done with that, I'll start working on my beloved Cleansing Wars project.
#4
gab
Jan 22, 2004 12:49:06 And pumping out you are! People, if you haven't checked out Dawnstealer's site yet, I suggest you do. He's a very productive and capable artist.
#5
jon_oracle_of_athas
Jan 22, 2004 17:06:55 I second that, Gab. Impressive stuff.
#6
nytcrawlr
Jan 22, 2004 18:31:43 I third.

He's Brom's love child I swear!
#7
jaanos
Jan 22, 2004 19:59:01 what is the url for his site?
#8
zombiegleemax
Jan 22, 2004 20:48:49 Since Dawnstealer won't put it in his sig like everyone else (dang non conformist), its HERE.
#9
dawnstealer
Jan 23, 2004 0:22:01 Heh. Should be in there...unless I screwed it up....which isn't possible...soooooo.....ummmm....

#10
kelsen
Jan 23, 2004 10:16:36
Originally posted by Dawnstealer
You know me well. Yes, I was working on this project. Then I had a computer and personal-life meltdown. Right now, I'm pumping out the monsters from Terrors from the Desert. Once I'm done with that, I'll start working on my beloved Cleansing Wars project.

Keep the good work Dawnstealer... I´m praying for your health and for your computer right now!!!
#11
dawnstealer
Jan 23, 2004 10:36:00 The new computer will not fail any time soon - I have it linked with two others with a power supply backup and numerous other backups on hand in the form of CDs, Zip disks, and so on. Never again!

As far as personal life goes, it was more moving and job situation than anything. I got a promotion and am now happily living in my own apartment (no sketchy roommates).
#12
zombiegleemax
Jan 23, 2004 14:49:08
Originally posted by Dawnstealer
... am now happily living in my own apartment (no sketchy roommates).

No roommates huh? Now you are going to go insane due to being alone in your apartment!

I had an idea for a cleansing war adventure. Basically, elemental magic has been around a long time right? Longer than preserver/defiling magic right? So there could be elemental priests that are 30th level by the time of the cleansing wars. So, say that one of them rules a city as an Elemental-King. What chance would a 20th level champion and his army versus an 30th level elemental king and his army? One of two things are going to happen when they meet a champion's army. The elemental king will either win or lose. If he wins, then there may be another region like the green age. If he losses, well you know what will happen.
#13
jihun-nish
Jan 25, 2004 1:39:03
Originally posted by Ral of Tyr
I had an idea for a cleansing war adventure. Basically, elemental magic has been around a long time right? Longer than preserver/defiling magic right? So there could be elemental priests that are 30th level by the time of the cleansing wars. So, say that one of them rules a city as an Elemental-King. What chance would a 20th level champion and his army versus an 30th level elemental king and his army? One of two things are going to happen when they meet a champion's army. The elemental king will either win or lose. If he wins, then there may be another region like the green age. If he losses, well you know what will happen.

If anyone ask me, you brought forth something worth pondering. Your theory on 30th level elemental lords is ... logical. And while Rajaat's champions were quite powerfull, The ELs could"ve been quite a chalenge in the Cleansing. This could bring several theory on the whys and the hows....
1-- this could partialy explain why some of the champions died(those who are never named in the books but which we know, existed.)
2--- if there were such epic being, Rajaat was surely aware of them. He might have had trained some of it's champions as Elemental (Lord) slayers.
3-- I am not saying that elemental magic is weak. But , compared to defiling magic of epic scale--wich all the champions possessed(including life defiling;not just the land type)-- I'd say that Rajaat's champions had somewhat the upperhand here.
Not only could they defiled everything but I assume that the more they did, the more the elemental lord himself would be weakened by it's surrounding land's demesis.(Athas as a direct link with the inner plane's state. ( and vise versa))

anyway, that's what I can come -up with anyone else would like to comment??
#14
zombiegleemax
Jan 25, 2004 12:19:52 And don't forget, there were likely high level cleric-psions who likely became advanced beings who likely claimed to be Gods.
If a Dragon can have Templar's, why not an elemental lord? Or a Druid Psion Spirit of the Land?

Feathered Serpent ring a bell?

Not to off John or anything ... :D
#15
jihun-nish
Jan 25, 2004 19:25:43
Originally posted by stidwell
And don't forget, there were likely high level cleric-psions who likely became advanced beings who likely claimed to be Gods.
If a Dragon can have Templar's, why not an elemental lord? Or a Druid Psion Spirit of the Land?Feathered Serpent ring a bell?

First, templars could cast spells because their respective SK's were link to the elements by means af a vortex and (during their SK's transformation state with the help of the dark lens) Elemental lords are quite powerfull but I dont think they were able to grant spells(but that's just me
As for the Feathered Serpent I had this idea for my players a few years back.
1-- The feathered Serpent was considered a Legendary athasian creature. With extraordinary abilities.(remember that in my DS campaing, Mindë is obliviousely responsible for strange births on Athas(more in the green age then nowadays)
2-- the Feathered Serpent's cleric/templars were not self-capable spell casters but rather they were bestowed upon them.(the false cleric would nead to study the spell but he would never be able to cast it without a small amout of The feathered serpent's raw energies bestowed upon him until used
Simply said: The Legendary Serpent was one of the rare true sorcerers(as per the sorcerers in the D&D book) who were able to cast spells by tapping the energies from within themselves. And he could also bestow part of its arcane energies into some of its followers making them sorcerers. (the bestowed arcane energies were not permanent: once cast, the said sorcerers would nead to return in prayers in hope of arcane replenishement. As long as the sorcerers were following The Feathered serpents ethic and believes, they were usually granted arcane capabilities.) The Sorcerer-cleric of athas were born!! And died at the same time as their Feathered god.
#16
Kamelion
Jan 26, 2004 2:28:53
Elemental lords are quite powerfull but I dont think they were able to grant spells(but that's just me

If you take a look at the raaig entry in TotDL (which I inevitably bang on about at times like this...) you see the following passage in reference to the City of Strong Walls:

"Over all ruled two kings, one like a winged halfling and the other the greatest kreen Nevalaeg could imagine. Both were mindbenders beyond peer, and together they contrived to grant spells to those that served them most directly."

I'd say that the SKs were not the only ones with spell-granting abilities. Maybe others were able to forge links with elemental vortices before these became extinct. Or maybe certain breeds of advanced being can develop other methods of granting spells to their followers. Just some idle thoughts...

Very cool take on the Feathered Serpent, by the way. I love the idea of priests returning to their god to renew their powers and faith. Nice one!
#17
dawnstealer
Jan 26, 2004 11:35:43 TSR ditched the elemental vortexes in later editions. Kind of a stupid idea, anyway, in my opinion, but to each their own. Later, it was stated that the Pristine Tower, in combination with Rajaat's incredibly powerful abilities, is what enabled the SKs to grant spells.

I mentioned elsewhere, but I'll mention it here as well: I think it would make sense if there were two Dragon transformation spells. The first has lesser requirements, allows you to become a dragon with respectable abilities. The second is the "real" one and the spell that the SKs guard with their lives. It creates a much more powerful dragon and the requirements are incredibly difficult to pull off. The payoff is those divinity ranks.
#18
jihun-nish
Jan 27, 2004 21:07:17
Originally posted by Kamelion

"Over all ruled two kings, one like a winged halfling and the other the greatest kreen Nevalaeg could imagine. Both were mindbenders beyond peer, and together they contrived to grant spells to those that served them most directly."

Hmmm. If my memory is not fooling me, the winged halfling is a avangion: and we know Avangion have have templars(Oronis). As for the Great Kreen, I admit he's still a mistery. Furthermore, when I read what you quoted above, I see the exact exemple I mentioned in my previous post: The feathered Serpent God which contrive to grant spells to those who seem the most worthy.

Speaking of my Idea on the Feathered serpent,.... Thank you for your nice comment.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 kelsen Jan 22, 2004 12:04:43	A long time ago on these boards people went excited about starting a project concerning the cleasing wars. Even a site was promissed... who was in charge of that? It would be very nice specially because as I remember there was very good ideas, and plots in that thread. What happened guys?
#2 Grummore Jan 22, 2004 12:08:53	If I remember, it was our beloved artist Dawnstealer? He will answer, dont worry
#3 dawnstealer Jan 22, 2004 12:31:24	You know me well. Yes, I was working on this project. Then I had a computer and personal-life meltdown. Right now, I'm pumping out the monsters from Terrors from the Desert. Once I'm done with that, I'll start working on my beloved Cleansing Wars project.
#4 gab Jan 22, 2004 12:49:06	And pumping out you are! People, if you haven't checked out Dawnstealer's site yet, I suggest you do. He's a very productive and capable artist.
#5 jon_oracle_of_athas Jan 22, 2004 17:06:55	I second that, Gab. Impressive stuff.
#6 nytcrawlr Jan 22, 2004 18:31:43	I third. He's Brom's love child I swear!
#7 jaanos Jan 22, 2004 19:59:01	what is the url for his site?
#8 zombiegleemax Jan 22, 2004 20:48:49	Since Dawnstealer won't put it in his sig like everyone else (dang non conformist), its HERE.
#9 dawnstealer Jan 23, 2004 0:22:01	Heh. Should be in there...unless I screwed it up....which isn't possible...soooooo.....ummmm....
#10 kelsen Jan 23, 2004 10:16:36	Originally posted by Dawnstealer You know me well. Yes, I was working on this project. Then I had a computer and personal-life meltdown. Right now, I'm pumping out the monsters from Terrors from the Desert. Once I'm done with that, I'll start working on my beloved Cleansing Wars project. Keep the good work Dawnstealer... I´m praying for your health and for your computer right now!!!
#11 dawnstealer Jan 23, 2004 10:36:00	The new computer will not fail any time soon - I have it linked with two others with a power supply backup and numerous other backups on hand in the form of CDs, Zip disks, and so on. Never again! As far as personal life goes, it was more moving and job situation than anything. I got a promotion and am now happily living in my own apartment (no sketchy roommates).
#12 zombiegleemax Jan 23, 2004 14:49:08	Originally posted by Dawnstealer ... am now happily living in my own apartment (no sketchy roommates). No roommates huh? Now you are going to go insane due to being alone in your apartment! I had an idea for a cleansing war adventure. Basically, elemental magic has been around a long time right? Longer than preserver/defiling magic right? So there could be elemental priests that are 30th level by the time of the cleansing wars. So, say that one of them rules a city as an Elemental-King. What chance would a 20th level champion and his army versus an 30th level elemental king and his army? One of two things are going to happen when they meet a champion's army. The elemental king will either win or lose. If he wins, then there may be another region like the green age. If he losses, well you know what will happen.
#13 jihun-nish Jan 25, 2004 1:39:03	Originally posted by Ral of Tyr I had an idea for a cleansing war adventure. Basically, elemental magic has been around a long time right? Longer than preserver/defiling magic right? So there could be elemental priests that are 30th level by the time of the cleansing wars. So, say that one of them rules a city as an Elemental-King. What chance would a 20th level champion and his army versus an 30th level elemental king and his army? One of two things are going to happen when they meet a champion's army. The elemental king will either win or lose. If he wins, then there may be another region like the green age. If he losses, well you know what will happen. If anyone ask me, you brought forth something worth pondering. Your theory on 30th level elemental lords is ... logical. And while Rajaat's champions were quite powerfull, The ELs could"ve been quite a chalenge in the Cleansing. This could bring several theory on the whys and the hows.... 1-- this could partialy explain why some of the champions died(those who are never named in the books but which we know, existed.) 2--- if there were such epic being, Rajaat was surely aware of them. He might have had trained some of it's champions as Elemental (Lord) slayers. 3-- I am not saying that elemental magic is weak. But , compared to defiling magic of epic scale--wich all the champions possessed(including life defiling;not just the land type)-- I'd say that Rajaat's champions had somewhat the upperhand here. Not only could they defiled everything but I assume that the more they did, the more the elemental lord himself would be weakened by it's surrounding land's demesis.(Athas as a direct link with the inner plane's state. ( and vise versa)) anyway, that's what I can come -up with anyone else would like to comment??
#14 zombiegleemax Jan 25, 2004 12:19:52	And don't forget, there were likely high level cleric-psions who likely became advanced beings who likely claimed to be Gods. If a Dragon can have Templar's, why not an elemental lord? Or a Druid Psion Spirit of the Land? Feathered Serpent ring a bell? Not to off John or anything ... :D
#15 jihun-nish Jan 25, 2004 19:25:43	Originally posted by stidwell And don't forget, there were likely high level cleric-psions who likely became advanced beings who likely claimed to be Gods. If a Dragon can have Templar's, why not an elemental lord? Or a Druid Psion Spirit of the Land?Feathered Serpent ring a bell? First, templars could cast spells because their respective SK's were link to the elements by means af a vortex and (during their SK's transformation state with the help of the dark lens) Elemental lords are quite powerfull but I dont think they were able to grant spells(but that's just me As for the Feathered Serpent I had this idea for my players a few years back. 1-- The feathered Serpent was considered a Legendary athasian creature. With extraordinary abilities.(remember that in my DS campaing, Mindë is obliviousely responsible for strange births on Athas(more in the green age then nowadays) 2-- the Feathered Serpent's cleric/templars were not self-capable spell casters but rather they were bestowed upon them.(the false cleric would nead to study the spell but he would never be able to cast it without a small amout of The feathered serpent's raw energies bestowed upon him until used Simply said: The Legendary Serpent was one of the rare true sorcerers(as per the sorcerers in the D&D book) who were able to cast spells by tapping the energies from within themselves. And he could also bestow part of its arcane energies into some of its followers making them sorcerers. (the bestowed arcane energies were not permanent: once cast, the said sorcerers would nead to return in prayers in hope of arcane replenishement. As long as the sorcerers were following The Feathered serpents ethic and believes, they were usually granted arcane capabilities.) The Sorcerer-cleric of athas were born!! And died at the same time as their Feathered god.
#16 Kamelion Jan 26, 2004 2:28:53	Elemental lords are quite powerfull but I dont think they were able to grant spells(but that's just me If you take a look at the raaig entry in TotDL (which I inevitably bang on about at times like this...) you see the following passage in reference to the City of Strong Walls: "Over all ruled two kings, one like a winged halfling and the other the greatest kreen Nevalaeg could imagine. Both were mindbenders beyond peer, and together they contrived to grant spells to those that served them most directly." I'd say that the SKs were not the only ones with spell-granting abilities. Maybe others were able to forge links with elemental vortices before these became extinct. Or maybe certain breeds of advanced being can develop other methods of granting spells to their followers. Just some idle thoughts... Very cool take on the Feathered Serpent, by the way. I love the idea of priests returning to their god to renew their powers and faith. Nice one!
#17 dawnstealer Jan 26, 2004 11:35:43	TSR ditched the elemental vortexes in later editions. Kind of a stupid idea, anyway, in my opinion, but to each their own. Later, it was stated that the Pristine Tower, in combination with Rajaat's incredibly powerful abilities, is what enabled the SKs to grant spells. I mentioned elsewhere, but I'll mention it here as well: I think it would make sense if there were two Dragon transformation spells. The first has lesser requirements, allows you to become a dragon with respectable abilities. The second is the "real" one and the spell that the SKs guard with their lives. It creates a much more powerful dragon and the requirements are incredibly difficult to pull off. The payoff is those divinity ranks.
#18 jihun-nish Jan 27, 2004 21:07:17	Originally posted by Kamelion "Over all ruled two kings, one like a winged halfling and the other the greatest kreen Nevalaeg could imagine. Both were mindbenders beyond peer, and together they contrived to grant spells to those that served them most directly." Hmmm. If my memory is not fooling me, the winged halfling is a avangion: and we know Avangion have have templars(Oronis). As for the Great Kreen, I admit he's still a mistery. Furthermore, when I read what you quoted above, I see the exact exemple I mentioned in my previous post: The feathered Serpent God which contrive to grant spells to those who seem the most worthy. Speaking of my Idea on the Feathered serpent,.... Thank you for your nice comment.