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#1
talinthas
Feb 02, 2004 20:52:33 http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=books/dl/dwarfhistory

umm. what is this? where did it come from? and more important, canon?
#2
kipper_snifferdoo_02
Feb 02, 2004 23:07:04 All the same info can be found in the Dwarven Kingdoms of Krynn Boxed Set and the Dwarven Nations Trilogy.

Which... many people do not have. heh

Maybe this is a sign that they will be reprinting the trilogy. ;) Of course that is only wishful thinking, heh.
#3
ferratus
Feb 02, 2004 23:33:02 I think it is all old stuff from the TSR 5th Age days that someone is just posting up now as they sift through the archives. None of it appears to be post-WoS material, and I doubt if WotC is hiring someone to add in new dragonlance stuff.

That said, to take this in a different direction, how about this history for the kender and the gnomes? Which do you like better? I'll post this here because I know what the dinos on the mailing list would say, but I'd like to see what some younger fans think of this.

I myself am kinda torn on the matter. Cosmetically it makes more sense (as elves resemble kender and gnomes resemble dwarves), but then I also see the similarities in personality between the dwarves, gnomes and kender. All three are ingenious little buggers, particularly when it comes to technology.

I'm also interested in the idea of the human "smith" culture that preceeded the gnomes (or the dwarves) in either myth. Is this perhaps what grew out of Amero's village in the barbarians trilogy? Were they eventually led by the scions, who were like that ambitious young priest?

Hmm... I've got visions of heroes discovering blueprints for a windmill etched on bronze plates or clay tablets.
#4
talinthas
Feb 02, 2004 23:41:13 actually, kipper, i'm aware that a lot of this is from those two sources (dwarven nations was my fave trilogy until kingpriest), but there are names and such that are totally new.

just curious, i was.
as far as i'm concerned, the true creation myth is in time of the dragon =)
#5
zombiegleemax
Feb 03, 2004 6:37:09 What names were totally new? The article just seemed to be a shortened version of what's in the Dwarven Kingdoms box. There were a few mistakes, but then, I'd only be comparing to other sources, and really, who's to say the Klar weren't hill dwarves trapped in Thorin during the Cataclysm?

Oh, no, that was the remains of the Calnar, who turned into the Zhakar...
#6
kipper_snifferdoo_02
Feb 03, 2004 6:45:57
Originally posted by talinthas
actually, kipper, i'm aware that a lot of this is from those two sources (dwarven nations was my fave trilogy until kingpriest), but there are names and such that are totally new.

just curious, i was.
as far as i'm concerned, the true creation myth is in time of the dragon =)

Oops! Sorry about that you weren't specific. As far as the creation myth goes I believe it is just that, a dwarven version of events. :D
#7
kipper_snifferdoo_02
Feb 03, 2004 6:58:43
Originally posted by pddisc
What names were totally new? The article just seemed to be a shortened version of what's in the Dwarven Kingdoms box. There were a few mistakes, but then, I'd only be comparing to other sources, and really, who's to say the Klar weren't hill dwarves trapped in Thorin during the Cataclysm?

The Dwarven Nations Trilogy has Klar about 1000 years or so before the Cataclysm.

Oh, no, that was the remains of the Calnar, who turned into the Zhakar...

Actually it was the Theiwar that became Zhakar. It was their city in Thoradin that was the only one to survive the destruction. Although some of the Calnar remained behind when the Hylar returned generations later Thoradin was empty.
#8
kipper_snifferdoo_02
Feb 03, 2004 7:03:28
Originally posted by talinthas
but there are names and such that are totally new.

Let me apologize again. I really should try reading this stuff closer before replying. There was so much that was straight from DKoK that I just assumed... I should never assume, heh. (I also should have known you would already have read DKoK, heh)

Anyway there are some new names I don't recognize. And I don't know about this bit: "Even though Horas distrusted humans, he was forced to seek food from a band of humans in bronze plate armor. Sir Evian Thane led the group, who were predecessors of the Knights of Solamnia."

That is sort of an odd statement.
#9
talinthas
Feb 03, 2004 10:48:10 it was the name Horas that threw me.

god. why the hell did I ask if it was canon? what the hell does it matter to me?

silly midterms. i'm sorry for my utter out of character posts folks. Love in Excess and Robinson Crusoe are messing with Tal's mind.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 talinthas Feb 02, 2004 20:52:33	http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=books/dl/dwarfhistory umm. what is this? where did it come from? and more important, canon?
#2 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Feb 02, 2004 23:07:04	All the same info can be found in the Dwarven Kingdoms of Krynn Boxed Set and the Dwarven Nations Trilogy. Which... many people do not have. heh Maybe this is a sign that they will be reprinting the trilogy. ;) Of course that is only wishful thinking, heh.
#3 ferratus Feb 02, 2004 23:33:02	I think it is all old stuff from the TSR 5th Age days that someone is just posting up now as they sift through the archives. None of it appears to be post-WoS material, and I doubt if WotC is hiring someone to add in new dragonlance stuff. That said, to take this in a different direction, how about this history for the kender and the gnomes? Which do you like better? I'll post this here because I know what the dinos on the mailing list would say, but I'd like to see what some younger fans think of this. I myself am kinda torn on the matter. Cosmetically it makes more sense (as elves resemble kender and gnomes resemble dwarves), but then I also see the similarities in personality between the dwarves, gnomes and kender. All three are ingenious little buggers, particularly when it comes to technology. I'm also interested in the idea of the human "smith" culture that preceeded the gnomes (or the dwarves) in either myth. Is this perhaps what grew out of Amero's village in the barbarians trilogy? Were they eventually led by the scions, who were like that ambitious young priest? Hmm... I've got visions of heroes discovering blueprints for a windmill etched on bronze plates or clay tablets.
#4 talinthas Feb 02, 2004 23:41:13	actually, kipper, i'm aware that a lot of this is from those two sources (dwarven nations was my fave trilogy until kingpriest), but there are names and such that are totally new. just curious, i was. as far as i'm concerned, the true creation myth is in time of the dragon =)
#5 zombiegleemax Feb 03, 2004 6:37:09	What names were totally new? The article just seemed to be a shortened version of what's in the Dwarven Kingdoms box. There were a few mistakes, but then, I'd only be comparing to other sources, and really, who's to say the Klar weren't hill dwarves trapped in Thorin during the Cataclysm? Oh, no, that was the remains of the Calnar, who turned into the Zhakar...
#6 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Feb 03, 2004 6:45:57	Originally posted by talinthas actually, kipper, i'm aware that a lot of this is from those two sources (dwarven nations was my fave trilogy until kingpriest), but there are names and such that are totally new. just curious, i was. as far as i'm concerned, the true creation myth is in time of the dragon =) Oops! Sorry about that you weren't specific. As far as the creation myth goes I believe it is just that, a dwarven version of events. :D
#7 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Feb 03, 2004 6:58:43	Originally posted by pddisc What names were totally new? The article just seemed to be a shortened version of what's in the Dwarven Kingdoms box. There were a few mistakes, but then, I'd only be comparing to other sources, and really, who's to say the Klar weren't hill dwarves trapped in Thorin during the Cataclysm? The Dwarven Nations Trilogy has Klar about 1000 years or so before the Cataclysm. Oh, no, that was the remains of the Calnar, who turned into the Zhakar... Actually it was the Theiwar that became Zhakar. It was their city in Thoradin that was the only one to survive the destruction. Although some of the Calnar remained behind when the Hylar returned generations later Thoradin was empty.
#8 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Feb 03, 2004 7:03:28	Originally posted by talinthas but there are names and such that are totally new. Let me apologize again. I really should try reading this stuff closer before replying. There was so much that was straight from DKoK that I just assumed... I should never assume, heh. (I also should have known you would already have read DKoK, heh) Anyway there are some new names I don't recognize. And I don't know about this bit: "Even though Horas distrusted humans, he was forced to seek food from a band of humans in bronze plate armor. Sir Evian Thane led the group, who were predecessors of the Knights of Solamnia." That is sort of an odd statement.
#9 talinthas Feb 03, 2004 10:48:10	it was the name Horas that threw me. god. why the hell did I ask if it was canon? what the hell does it matter to me? silly midterms. i'm sorry for my utter out of character posts folks. Love in Excess and Robinson Crusoe are messing with Tal's mind.