Originally posted by Lord Soth
I have a weird situation in a game that I am DMing. One of my players which is a Minotaur Cleric of Kiri-Jolith want's to become a Knight of Solamnia. My other players feel it would be a disgrace to the order with all them invading Silvanesti and being evil in majority. Yet he roleplays so well that I fell he deserve's his Knighthood. I was wondering what would be your thought's on this?
My thought is that the minotaur may not have to be an actual knight, but an honorary knight. This is a very cool role-playing scenario, and can be special for the player. To become a knight is one thing. To have earned honorary knighthood will stand out. As the DM, you can then opt to allow him to take the Knight of the Crown prestige class.
An alternative would be to have him join the Solamnic Auxiliary. The Auxiliary works well for those characters that don’t fit the mold of the knighthood, yet will still serve with the knights. The Solamnic Auxiliary Mage prestige class is a great example of this. You may create your own Solamnic Auxiliary Cleric prestige class to give the minotaur added abilities. Imagine your player’s delight knowing that you had customized a prestige class just for him.
Those are the two options I would recommend. Either way offers great role-playing possibilities.
This is a difficult but not insurmountable problem.
I think honestly its a good thing to reward players with such but make sure that his actions are challenged and people arn't happy about it
But as my PC says
"Humans have served the Queen of Darkness as much if not moreso than minotaurs. Yet no one objects to the knighthood having them."
Originally posted by Charles Phipps
"Humans have served the Queen of Darkness as much if not moreso than minotaurs. Yet no one objects to the knighthood having them."
True...but humans are naturally neutral (and can swing either way). Humans, too, are racist...just not as much as most of the other races. And Minotaurs are naturally evil (but not always).
Those three things together, I think, out way the above comment as to "why" the Measure says nothing about letting Minotaurs join.
I don't see why they couldn't receive an honorific (much like Tanis did)...if one were to impress the knighthood enough...like Kaz eventually did. But even for Kaz...they never truly trusted him until he helped defeat the Queen of Darkness...and even after that...the trust was fairly short lived. That should show you the kind of prejudice your Minotaur PC would have to face.
Of course, if Kaoylin is part of Solamnia this would open the doors for dwarven knights. As well, with the influx of elves into Palanthas and Solanthus, the doors may be opened to elven knights as well. It all depends on whether the elves become citizens or remain "guests" of the Solamnic Confederacy.
I think it all depends on what we want the Solamnic Knight to do. Do we want them to completely take the place of the Paladin class, and thus use it for every character who wants to be a holy knight... or do we want it to represent the Solamnic military and aristocratic elite?
If the Solamnic Knights aren't really associated with Solamnia anymore, their membership will be as varied as the Legion of Steel.
During the era of Huma the KoS would probably never allow a Minataur to become a Knight.
During the War of the Lance it would also be unlikely, however the longer after the war you are, the more likely they would. People like Sturm have taught the Knights to be a bit more flexible and open...to view things better. Additionally, Kiri-Jolith in the Fifth Age is actively trying to get Minataurs to join the side of good....and ever since Kaz there has been a community of good Minataurs on Ansalon. Since Kiri-Jolith is in charge of the Knights post-WoS, I'd expect Minataurs as Knights.
-Drachasor
Originally posted by ferratus
I myself have the requirement that a Solamnic Knight has to be a citizen of Solamnia in order to qualify for this prestige class. It makes sense, and it keeps the goblins, minotaurs, ogres and other monstrous characters out (as well as elves, kender, gnomes) without the Solamnic Knighthood being racists.
That would work prior to the War of the Lance. Afterwards, though, you have to open up the ranks a bit.
Look at Tanin and Sturm Majere. They were from Solace and they became Knights of Solamnia.
I think it all depends on what we want the Solamnic Knight to do. Do we want them to completely take the place of the Paladin class, and thus use it for every character who wants to be a holy knight... or do we want it to represent the Solamnic military and aristocratic elite?
The paladin isn’t a standard class for Dragonlance because the Knights of Solamnia take that role.
Your average Solamnic Knight fills the role of the Solamnic military. Player characters who become knights should be something beyond that. Holy warriors, champions, leaders – they are those rare knights who rise above what is the norm, who grow into heroic status.
If the Solamnic Knights aren't really associated with Solamnia anymore, their membership will be as varied as the Legion of Steel.
Tradition will work against that. The Legion of Steel is a very open organization. The Knights of Solamnia are resistant to change.
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
That would work prior to the War of the Lance. Afterwards, though, you have to open up the ranks a bit. Look at Tanin and Sturm Majere. They were from Solace and they became Knights of Solamnia.
Unless I close them again. You know how I feel about "Solamnic Knights only in Solamnia" and "Nerekan Knights only in Nereka". I want to open up the setting for other cultures, nations and organizations rather than just dividing all the human realms between these two armies.
For example, in Haven, I'd like to reinstate the Holy Guard of the Seekers. That would give a paladin option for Abanisania.
The paladin isn’t a standard class for Dragonlance because the Knights of Solamnia take that role.
Your average Solamnic Knight fills the role of the Solamnic military. Player characters who become knights should be something beyond that. Holy warriors, champions, leaders – they are those rare knights who rise above what is the norm, who grow into heroic status.
So does that mean they are not bound by duty to Solamnia? What is their role in the campaign setting? Are they responsible to anyone in the Solamnic military structure? As well, what were they before they were heroes? How did they become able to join the Knights of Solamnia?
Tradition will work against that. The Legion of Steel is a very open organization. The Knights of Solamnia are resistant to change.
See, I think that is the rub here. Nobody is really considering the legion as an option, so they are making the Solamnics do what the Legion of Steel can do so much better. The Legion of Steel is more open for non-humans, can be spread out over all of Ansalon, can do all the covert adventuring stuff, and are good people.
I don't really see the point of playing a Knight of Solamnia if you aren't going to be bound by tradition and honour, rigid morale codes, military discipline and aristocratic thinking. A knight of Solamnia should inspire. For the most part, people agree with this. If it wasn't so, we ourselves wouldn't be resistant to change and not really mind if the Knights of Solamnia aren't human knights.
So I say make the Knights of the Sword Acolytes in fervent service to Kiri-Jolith. Make the Knights of the Rose blue blooded aristocrats. Let them be Solamnic so they can speak that beautifully mysterious language that they speak. Give them back everything that made them beautiful to us in the first place.
For all the other stuff use the Legion of Steel.
Originally posted by Fiendish Dire Weasel
When I was offered a chance to play in a Dragonlance game recently, I checked out the Knights of Solomnia and was kind of sad to find out they are a bunch of bigots.
Yeah, bigotry seems to be one of the less filthy aspects of the Knights of Solamnia. They are also seemingly universally involved in influence peddling, racketeering, fraud, undermining other good governments for their own power, framing people in a court of law, and usury. The storyline of "corruption within a good institution" has been so overplayed that we now expect the worst from the Knighthood, not the best. Heck, it has even spilled over into the novels.
In City of the Lost, notice how Iyesta doesn't accept the word of a Solamnic Knight because "she has known too many Solamnic Knights". Notice how Linsha, the seemingly only good member of the Knighthood, has complete contempt for everyone in it.
It has gotten to the point that nobody respects the Knights of Solamnia anymore. Not the authors, not the players, not me. The Knighthood is in desperate need of reform and a bloody cleanup within its ranks. Raye, please come save us!
That, combined with the bizzare and incredibly difficult requirments for Legion Mystics I may have to be a Knight of Neraka or try to work with my DM about a Paladin or somthing :D
Drop the requirement of the Legionnaire "base" prestige class, and it isn't difficult. The Legion base prestige class doesn't really add to your character, and the Legion Mystic class does well enough to show you are member of that organization.
Originally posted by ferratus
So does that mean they are not bound by duty to Solamnia? What is their role in the campaign setting? Are they responsible to anyone in the Solamnic military structure?
Yes, they are bound by duty and yes, there is a structure. This is romantic fantasy, though, so knights often go on quests, or can get separated from their commanders.
The Legend of Huma is a great example of this. Huma is with the other knights in the beginning of the book, but often finds himself on quests or separated from the rest of the group.
As well, what were they before they were heroes? How did they become able to join the Knights of Solamnia?
Many are aristocracy, typically having a knight as a parent.
In later years, some come from families that have served the Knights of Solamnia (i.e. Erastin Rivenguard from Knight’s Sword). Some are heroes from outside of Solamnia who are recognized for their deeds.
See, I think that is the rub here. Nobody is really considering the legion as an option, so they are making the Solamnics do what the Legion of Steel can do so much better.
Huh?
Who is “nobody”?
I think the Legion of Steel is very much an option. They’re great for having an organization that allows all types in, which is a great setup to get a party together.
Of course, there are those who like the feel of the Solamnic Knights better and may wish to have their characters associated with them. The Solamnic Auxiliary is a great way of tackling this. Of course, one doesn’t have to have membership with the knights to have the association (i.e. Kaz).
In the case of the minotaur in the original post, it makes more sense to me to have the minotaur associated with the Solamnic Knights, as he is a cleric of Kiri-Jolith.
I think it depends on the type of feel a person wants and what their personal preferences are.
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
I think the Legion of Steel is very much an option. They’re great for having an organization that allows all types in, which is a great setup to get a party together.
Well...we'll have to wait and see how much of an option they really are for a book about the knighthoods or something similar. Cause the way I see it right now...the certainly weren't given their due in the DLCS or the AoM...even going so far as to suggest that people think they should be phased out with the return of the gods.
They seem to be going the way of the dodo to me, just like the Academy Sorcerer (because the Academy was destroyed) and the Citadel Mystic (because it's been taken over by Mishakal).
But, I guess we'll have to wait and see how they're handled in future products.
Originally posted by Brimstone
Well...we'll have to wait and see how much of an option they really are for a book about the knighthoods or something similar. Cause the way I see it right now...the certainly weren't given their due in the DLCS or the AoM.
Sure they were. They got three prestige classes in the Age of Mortals on top of the one in the DLCS! So it's all good. ;)
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Sure they were. They got three prestige classes in the Age of Mortals on top of the one in the DLCS! So it's all good. ;)
I guess they did get those three in AoM. But that Three Level PrC in the DLCS was kinda lame.
Not all of the LoS works covertly. They do have some areas where they operate in their knights operate in the open. I thought there needed to be a PrC for this...the Steel Knight (or something similar).
As the Minotaur in question is a follower of Kiri-Jolith, I would actually allow him to take the Paladin class. The gods have returned to Krynn, and are attempting to regain followers, so it seems logical to me that they will be selecting champions outside of the standing orders. Paladins are the personal agents of their god, and so it may follow that until those standing orders are brought back in line with the doctrines and practices their gods had set in place for them, those gods would be using more reliable personal agents for their important "jobs". The Solamnics in someways have become too bogged down to be able to perform as neccessary for Kiri-Jolith, so it stands to reason that Kiri-Jolith would recruit outsiders. Since he is also attempting to gain converts from the minotaurs, it would not be unrealistic for him to choose a minotaur as one of his rare paladins. And because of the KoS's connections with Kiri-Jolith's church, it would not be very surprising for the KoS to extend an Honorary Knighthood upon the head of Kiri-Jolith's paladin, most likely making him an Honorary Knight of the Sword.
As for actual knighthood, I personally keep the KoS a closed order, available only to those of Human blood (Human, Half-elven, Half-kender, and Half-ogre). It was founded by humans. Its primary purpose is to defend the interests of Good, but it has a secondary purpose of defending the interests of humanity, in the furtherence of Good, policing its own against the depredations of evil. If the order were multi-racial, it could be considered a pawn of its "non-human masters" to keep humanity from "obtaining their rightfull place as masters of the world." From such a veiw point, the KoS is no different from the KoN, as it would seem both organizations are evil tyranical entities.
Originally posted by Winterknight
From such a veiw point, the KoS is no different from the KoN, as it would seem both organizations are evil tyranical entities.
See, this is what I want Raye to save me from. I want the Knights of Solamnia to be good.
The easiest way to keep Solamnics as humans speaking the Solamnic tongue and having Solamnic traditions is just demand that they be Solamnic citizens and go through the necessary time of being a page and squire.
"Kender Stew", "War Chest" and "Galen Beknighted" were good examples of children growing up and growing into the legacy of the Knighthood. This is why I think it is a mistake to allow people of every race and culture to simply wander in and gain admittance to this prestigious organization. You lose that legacy and flavour which makes the knights so much to play in the first place.
Now, the Solamnic Auxillary is an excellent idea, and I'd like to see that fleshed out more. However, I would like to say that we should all consider that perhaps the Legion is a better fit for many of our characters, and that the Legion is well overdue for proper exposure in gaming material and novels. We need a really good book about a Legionnaire of Steel.
We Played last night and he role played so well that I made him a knight. I did this for lots of reasons. But the top most reason was that he roleplays so well his minotaur that, as a DM, I felt he deserved the Knight of Solamnia title. I'm sure this will bring interesting adventures and debates in my game.
I'm sure not all knights of Solamnia are purist the same way as not all humans are good. There has to be open minded people in the knighthood. And in my campaing their are at least a few.
Thank's for your input
Lord Soth
We Played last night and he role played so well that I made him a knight. I did this for lots of reasons. But the top most reason was that he roleplays so well his minotaur that, as a DM, I felt he deserved the Knight of Solamnia title. I'm sure this will bring interesting adventures and debates in my game.
I'm sure not all knights of Solamnia are purist the same way as not all humans are good. There has to be open minded people in the knighthood. And in my campaing their are at least a few.
Thank's for your input
Lord Soth
Since the Knighthood was started by and mostly run by humans, it is natural that most of the members are human. Indeed, most Elves (even Qualanesti) are rather isolated and don't mingle much with humans. They prefer their own institutions. Almost all Kender lack the right mentality, and certainly before the reworking of the measure would be disqualified for 'stealing' (even if the more enlightened Knights understood the reality of the situation). Dwarves are also rather isolated and stubborn, not given to joining human institutions, but a few Hill Dwarves might. Minataurs are rather like Dwarves in this respect, but a good Minataur has basically lost most of its society, so makes a very good potential candidate, once suspicions the Knights might have are taken care of. When you have a Minataur that is a *cleric* of Kiri-Jolith, well, the Knighthood would be hard-pressed to deny him the attempt to join. This is especially true in the 5th age where Kiri-Jolith runs the Knighthood and is actively trying to encourage Minataurs to become good and worship him......I think he'd give the Knights a vision if that is what it took.
Anyhow, it is definitely a good idea to move away from the idea of the Knighthood being corrupt or evil....at that point you might as well not play on Krynn anymore...or play without the Knighthood. Unless you are playing a post-Cataclysm to WotL campaign....the Knighthood decayed a bit over time there (Lords slowly became greedier and more interested with the status quo).
-Drachasor
The easiest way to keep Solamnics as humans speaking the Solamnic tongue and having Solamnic traditions is just demand that they be Solamnic citizens and go through the necessary time of being a page and squire.
The problem with this is that because of the War of the Lance, the numbers of the Solamnics needed to swell, and their increased popularity meant that all the people who wanted to and they needed were no the Solamnic nobles, but commoners. So they had to let them in. Then, the Chaos war wiped out many, many knights, so they had to let in a few more varieties of people, and held less of Solamnia to campaign in. Nightlund swallowed Gaardlund and the Kalaman area, reducing the population. War of Souls had a couple of big battles that went badly for the Solamnics, and due to all the dead Solamnics... there are simply too many necessary people in the order for the closed minded people to kick them all out and demand only the Solamnics to be let in. I don't think it's even necessary at all.
Half Elves are allowed to be knights, but half elven knights are rare (at best) and hide their elven side as much as possible.
Women as knights, also, exist. But it is also a rare scenario.
Elves and Dwarves (which have served as allies of the knights in some occasions) are not allowed to be Knights of Solamnia, as there has never been one (stifflers for tradition, ya know).
Then there's the whole minatour social conflict. Any Minotaur wearing a Solamnic insignia (not counting trophies of war) would be 1. disgraced among all minotaurs 2. unbelieveable at best 3. ensure that the elves have diplomatic problems with the knights (they also make no distinction) and 4. is unprecedent. The problem with Dragonlance and making these changes is that you set a precedence which, in my opinion, can seriously take away from the flavor that is Dragonlance. But hey, I'm just a fanatic that looks way too deep into these things (I'm also the same guy who has allowed two intelligent Items, the Brightblade, The Staff of Magius, and the Silver Arm of Ergoth to resurface and be possesed by PC's). So take all I say with a grain of salt.
PS If you wish to know why, E-mail me and I'll send you my campaign outline, so you can have an idea of my special level of madness.
The novels themselves show that the flavor changes with every book added to it. Before Kaz the idea of a good Minotaur was preposterous, now Kiri Jonilath has a small but unpersecuted selection of them. Before the Knights of Takhasis there was never a honorable force of evil. Summer flame removed the gods for a time.
Plus there have been journeys to the Moon, Time travel, and all sorts of other wackiness
In the campaign the players can CHANGE Krynn as much as tanis and the others have. In my game a player character has begun a Draconic Kingdom on Krynn to start spreading their race outwards.
Its now part of the world I dwell in and its no less dragonlance than it always was
Originally posted by pddisc
there are simply too many necessary people in the order for the closed minded people to kick them all out and demand only the Solamnics to be let in. I don't think it's even necessary at all.
You would need far less people in the Solamnic Knighthood if they concentrated their efforts within Solamnia, rather than trying to police the entire continent. Then, on top of that, don't expect the Knights to be the rank and file GI, but instead the elite troops as well as the commanders of the various militias and auxillary forces. We only need 500-1000 knights, and they've had a generation to raise them from the noble families of Solamnia.
That's why we need all sorts of cultures and power groups taking care of other places on Krynn. Don't divide all the human realms between the Knights of Solamnia and the Knights of Nereka. It would make for a more varied and interesting setting anyway. Heck, splinter the Solamnic Knighthood up and have them absorb the local flavour of the countries around them. Like let's say the Abanisanian Free Rangers, the technocratic Knights of Sancrist, The Desolation Walkers, etc. Isn't that much more interesting than having only the Knights of Solamnia and Nereka hammering at each other from Tarsis to Karthay?
Heck, splinter the Solamnic Knighthood up and have them absorb the local flavour of the countries around them. Like let's say the Abanisanian Free Rangers, the technocratic Knights of Sancrist, The Desolation Walkers, etc. Isn't that much more interesting than having only the Knights of Solamnia and Nereka hammering at each other from Tarsis to Karthay?
Damn. I really like that idea. Not only does it give more variation in the different Ansalonian regions, but it opens up the possibility of more prestige classes to come into play... plus other possible conflicts between the different groups on the different issues... more possibilities of alliances, dealings, etc.
Heck, splinter the Solamnic Knighthood up and have them absorb the local flavour of the countries around them. Like let's say the Abanisanian Free Rangers, the technocratic Knights of Sancrist, The Desolation Walkers, etc. Isn't that much more interesting than having only the Knights of Solamnia and Nereka hammering at each other from Tarsis to Karthay?
Yep, that is a cool idea. I guess that I'm going to wait to see what the Solamnic trilogy dealing with the King or whatever is going to say - it makes sense for the Solamnics to want to police everywhere, and a lot of people are already allied with them, but adding a King seems both random and not what people in other countries would necessarily want. That said, if most of the Solamnic knights come from Solamnia, they'll be loyal to Solamnia, and the knights are broken up a lot all over the place.
So I think that while the idea of splitting everyone up is a cool one, it's unfeasible. I don't see that the Knighthood would want to break up their monopoly, and each individual group of knights is going to get more support and everything if it joins an already popular knighthood than make their own one distinct enough to have different flavours.
Originally posted by pddisc
Yep, that is a cool idea. I guess that I'm going to wait to see what the Solamnic trilogy dealing with the King or whatever is going to say -
I'm not sure when that is being released. It took me by suprise too, because Solamnia was never described as a monarchy, either in pre or post-cataclysm times. When I first heard about it, I thought it was a complete corruption of Solamnia's republican principles going back to the days of Vinas Solamnus. Apperantly however, Vinas Solamnus was the first king of Solamnia. However, whether he was the only king, or there was line of Solamnic Kings, is something we won't know for awhile.
Personally, I'd rather have a King of Sancrist than Solamnia. I like those city states bound in alliance to the Solamnic Knighthood much better. So if a King comes to the throne, he'll be exiled to Sancrist with his "progressive" followers.
it makes sense for the Solamnics to want to police everywhere, and a lot of people are already allied with them, but adding a King seems both random and not what people in other countries would necessarily want.
The Solamnics definately want power these days, some for its own sake, and others because they feel that Ansalon is incapable of being good without their leadership.
That said, if most of the Solamnic knights come from Solamnia, they'll be loyal to Solamnia, and the knights are broken up a lot all over the place.
Yep, there are definately a lot of non-Solamnics in the Knighthood right now. To break them up (and make the Solamnics the distinct and cohesive entity they were in the days of Chronicles) would require nothing less than civil war. A great tragedy indeed.
So I think that while the idea of splitting everyone up is a cool one, it's unfeasible.
Never underestimate the power of raw idealism and youthful passion. In my scenerio I chose Raye, the boy from the Rebels and Tyrants short story "War Chest" to lead a turbulent reformist movement. It all started when he walked out of the Solamnic council hall in disgust in "Dragons of Vanished Moon" when the ranking officer said "I'd rather follow common sense than the measure". To Raye, this was baffling. The measure was the ultimate common sense, with 1000 years of distilled wisdom and precedents on justice into a mere 30 volumes. The fact that even after they gutted the measure to a single volume filled with vague, pseudo good language, it was obvious they didn't feel themselves bound to a higher code.
Anyway, his views pick up support among many, and he starts hiding out as a rogue knight. He is flushed out of hiding by an offer of truce talks by Liam Ehrling, where they simply cannot reconcile. Adding to the disaster, some of Liam's more "shadowy" advisors attempt to have assassinated. So filled with righteous conviction he rises up and defeats Liam's forces with his own on the Vingaard Plains, aided by the militias of Solanthus, Caergoth and Palanthas who he signed a Charter with guarenteeing their autonomy to manage their own commerical affairs and government within their own cities, while leaving the defense of the "Solamnic Confederacy" and administration of the rural provinces up to the Solamnic Knights. The defeated are exiled to Sancrist, where they embrace "progress" with gnomish technology and liberal ideals.
(As a side note, there is one complete work of the original Measure remaining on Krynn... in Storm's Keep. You wanted to visit the new Death Knight, and now you have a reason to, if you follow Raye.)
So the Solamnic Knighthood now has responsibilities and duties within Solamnia. They are rebuilding the High Clerist's tower, castles in strategic points, training new knights of Solamnic blood, and cleaning out spawn, undead and dragonspawn. Other knight circles, who are not Solamnic and don't care about Solamnia find themselves cut adrift, their membership not recognized and no resources forthcoming. So they find new sources of funding and methods of operation.
Not so unfeasible now is it? ;)
On the other hand, the other groups out there, who may or may not absorb the non solamnic circles, would find themselves most likely very wary in any dealings with the restructured order, reflecting the hurt of their members who felt abandoned by the order many might of been members of, and others looked to for leadership and guidance.
The elves would simply chalk it up to the humans ignoring/not caring about the plight of the elven peoples, one more reason to hate the humans (the elves can ignore everyone else and expect everyone else to love and idolise them, but if non elves do it, its a strike against the elves, yet more evidence of the other races jealousy.)
Originally posted by Winterknight
Splintering up the KoS like that, and concentrating their attention on Solamnia, ignoring the knightly circles who are not solamnic would leave many knights feeling abandoned by the order.
I know I'd be very angry if I was one of the knights that was cast off. However, a lot of the reasons the knighthood is such a corrupt mess right now is because they opened the ranks up too much, and let in all the wrong people. They are now starting to see the wisdom of education from a young age, a family lineage to live up to, a sense of responsibility to a native land, and the need to be critical of the prospective knight's skills and character. Quality over Quantity is probably better for the knighthood and its honour.
Many circles would probably turn to the Legion of Steel, probably ensuring Abansinia wo be the LoS's stronghold, though they would continue to have cells elsewhere.
Yep, my big goal is to have the Solamnics in Solamnia to make room for other military orders and brotherhoods to develop. Ansalon desperately needs an infusion of not only stories, but fresh ideas.
Also, might give the Seekers a boost in manpower and a renewed sense of purpose. I could see Mystic Knights, formerly Knights of the Sword, serving a redefined cause of the Seekers.
Yes! Someone else who hasn't given up on the Seekers! I personally think now is the perfect time for a Seeker revival with the discovery of mysticism. Frankly, Abanasinia was been boring as a kender's visit to the Abyss since the seekers left. They don't have to rule, but they should be a very large part of Abanasinian society again. They will also have the added benefit of being an example of a cult that uses mysticism and sorcery to fake miracles. Personally, I like the idea of the Seeker cosmology being of faceless and nameless polytheistic dieties. The perfect examples of the still and serene mind of the gods... not these irresponsible and bickering superhumans that are the gods of Krynn. The new gods of the Seekers are much more majestic and reliable.... y'know in theory, if they existed.
On the other hand, the other groups out there, who may or may not absorb the non solamnic circles, would find themselves most likely very wary in any dealings with the restructured order, reflecting the hurt of their members who felt abandoned by the order many might of been members of, and others looked to for leadership and guidance.
There might be a lot of tense feelings. I think the Knights of Sancrist would continue to be bitter rivals of the Solamnic Knights, while others might get over it rather quickly, especially if they found a new code to live by, and a new movement that meant even more to them than the Solamnic Knighthood did.
Take Linsha Majere. She likes the fact that she's doing good, but she despises the knighthood and its traditions as being irrelevant. I'm sure she won't weep very much if she finds another place to hang her hat.
In this case the characters are a peculiar mix to say the least. A gold dragon priest of majere, a chromatic dragon wizard, and a knight of nekara, and a knight Solamnic.
Their mutual goal is the eradication of the Legion of Steel as well as Sorcery, Mysticism, and the dissedent elements of the Knights from the realms.
Its an interesting campaign with all of them having their own reasons for their quest but the essential idea was of course that united Krynn stood and eventually good or evil triumphed with the balance maintained.
These new elements pose however a horrific threat to the security of the entire Krynnish reality.
It was interesting to weigh
New Krynn vs. Old Krynn
and have some of the Die Hard Fanatical Loyalists to the Old Ways actively taking up the sword to destroy those unwilling to go back to the way things were
My players are doing an excellent job of portraying people firmly convinced any change whatsoever to the land is a BAD thing
And they may be right in my games
Originally posted by Lord Soth
I have a weird situation in a game that I am DMing. One of my players which is a Minotaur Cleric of Kiri-Jolith want's to become a Knight of Solamnia. My other players feel it would be a disgrace to the order with all them invading Silvanesti and being evil in majority. Yet he roleplays so well that I fell he deserve's his Knighthood. I was wondering what would be your thought's on this?
Wasn't the minotaur 'Kaz' a Knight of Solamnia ?
~B4Real