Where would Mystaria's location be in Wildspace? Would it be inside, or near known space?(Where Oerth, Krynn, and Toril are)
Originally posted by Nightdruid
Actually, it has. The Champions of Mystaria boxed set deals with this very issue. As I recall, Mystaria is in a universe with much deadlier physics than typical SJ (i.e. no air envelopes). It has never really been part of the greater AD&D multiverse like FR & GH were. The boxed set does say the two could be joined, if the DM chooses, but by default SJ & Mystaria are not in the same multiverse.
That's correct. The boxed set came with a bunch of ship cards (ala Spelljammer) in there as well, although one would have to make some quick conversions to make use of them. There's a page or two in the boxed set that shows how to adapt to Spelljammer, both for ships and setting.
That boxed set is a good one to get.
BTW, it's Mystara, not Mystaria.
Originally posted by Sword_Of_Geddon
Is anyone here familiar with Mystaria(the campaign world?) it says in quite a few of the suppliments that some of the more magical nations of that world have access to Flying ships, and even Star-Ships. I am surprised the world hasn't been mentioned before in Spelljammer circles.
Where would Mystaria's location be in Wildspace? Would it be inside, or near known space?(Where Oerth, Krynn, and Toril are)
I know we made use of a lot of Mystara material out of Dragon, back in the day, but presentely I don't think there are a lot of sites/material out there dealing with Mystara/Spelljammer crossovers. Official or otherwise.
Here are the ones I am aware of:
Spelljammer & Mystara
http://www.dnd.starflung.com/mystsjps.html
http://www.dnd.starflung.com/planejam.html
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystsjr.html
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/sjrguide.html
Mystara Info, Articles, Conversions, et al
http://www.dnd.starflung.com/index.html
http://realmspace.com/rpg/mystara.html
http://www.tongue.fsnet.co.uk/
http://go.to/mystara
Not Mystara, but a Darn Good 'Hollow World' Campaign Resource
http://www.coldnorth.com/owen/game/startrek/relic/dbase00.htm
Older Resource Site*
http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/gnba/books/olik/index.html
That's it. Hope they help.
Anyone know if there is an online Dragon index out there? Lot of good articles printed that you will probably want to use, if you know which issues they are in.
*Not sure if there is anything there, but might be worth a look.
Champions of Mystara was put out shortly before Mystara became a AD&D game world, hence, the different physics.
I was just wondering where Mystara would be located in Spelljammer. Would it be located in known space, or far away like I pressume DarkSpace is(the world of Athas' crystal sphere)
The fact that Demigods(Immortals) rather than True Gods are worshiped and control Mystara hints that Mystara would probably be located far away from Known Space(where Oerth, Toril and Krynn are located) but not as far away as Athas is.
--just had to nitpick this small point NB
Immortals are Gods, they just aren't the same as Gods from other campaign settings. Check out one of links above(cant remember which one) for the relationship between Immortals and True Gods, and how Mystaria's Immortals fit into that whole "Divine Ladder" of Power.
How Immortals relate to Gods is a philosophical question. The final word on this is up to the individual DM. The easiest way for conversions is to assume that Immortals=Gods though.
If you want to integrate Mystara into SJ the main question that has to be decided is whether Mystaran or SJ/AD&D cosmology should supercede where the two are in conflict. Mystara has a somewhat developed cosmology/multiverse of its own, but for most SJ campaigns it might be just as easy to just ignore these and slip Mystara into the standard SJ/AD&D cosmology.
OTOH, since I am mainly a Mystara fan, I use the Mystara cosmology, but use some SJ stuff, but leave AD&D cosmology and all of the other official WotC worlds (FR, DL, Greyhawk etc) out of my campaign.
Havard
To have Spelljammer meet Mystaria in this method, simply place Gates which connect the two Cosmoses.
Quoting Sword_of_Geddon:
I always assumed Mystaria was a in a different region of the Prime Material Plane where physics worked differently, hench, Mystariaspace's lack of a Crystal Sphere, and a more "Real World" view of the cosmos. Well, if the Outer Planes can have layers, why not the Material Plane as well? The first layer being the AD&D/Spelljammer Prime, and the second being the Mystaria Universe.
To have Spelljammer meet Mystaria in this method, simply place Gates which connect the two Cosmoses
The way the traditional Mystara Cosmology (Old Immortal Rules) laid this out was that as universes are paralelled in numerous planes of existance, there are also a number of paralell multiverses called dimensions, each with its own Prime Planes, Elemental Planes, etc. This theory is not unlike yours.
Others have posted the theory that the entire Mystaran Galaxy is contained within one Huge Crystal Sphere.
Another theory (mine) is that Mystara is located in a strange part of SJSpace called Darkspace. A vast number of Crystal Spheres exist here. However, the phlogistron (spelling?) that surrounds them is invisible (appearing black) thus giving the appearance similar of a Real World Galaxy. The Black Phlogistron allows faster travel between the Spheres than if it had been a Real World type galaxy, yet doesnt look like the standard one.
Some believe that Darkspace or MystaraSpace exists in the far corner of SJSpace. Others believe that it is in fact a separate dimension or plane. REgardless, Mystara's Crystal Sphere is closest to the known SJSphers becoming sort of a gateway to this part of space.
This allows a SJ Campaign to include all of the various worlds of Mystara Space including:
Mystara's Solar system (obviously). It is modelled after the Real World solar system except for the world Damocles which replaces our Asteroid Belt. In addition to the civilization on Damocles, there exists a race of fourarmed Sand People on MMars and Pyrithian Pirates (see below) in the asteroid fields.
M-Alpha Centaruri (Closest Solar system to Mystara with an intelligent civilization)
M-Epsilon Eridani aka Pyrithia (Closest world with Magic-using civilization)
Old Alphatia - The homeworld of the Alphatians, untill they filled that part of space with air resulting in a war in which their homeworld was destroyed. (although life exists on the fragments of Old Alphatia still). Unless you decide that Alphatia is in fact another planet in the Mystaran Solar System.
The Galactic Cluster - This, in what appears to be the hub of the galaxy, is a cluster of Crystal Spheres, which ones was the home of the Galactic Federation. The Federation collapsed ca 4000 years ago, who knows what it was replaced by.
Other worlds:
Planar Spider Homeworlds
Shape Shifter Homeworlds
Mek Homeworld
etc etc...
All in all, quite a bit of potential, isnt it?
Havard, getting carried away here...
Originally posted by havard
Mystara's Solar system (obviously). It is modelled after the Real World solar system except for the world Damocles which replaces our Asteroid Belt. In addition to the civilization on Damocles, there exists a race of fourarmed Sand People on MMars and Pyrithian Pirates (see below) in the asteroid fields.
All in all, quite a bit of potential, isnt it?
Havard, getting carried away here...
Interesting theories, one and all. I am curious as to the official (if any) sources of some of this, such as where Mystara's solar system was detailed (if at all; I've seen lots of fan-made Mystara spheres) and this "Federation" (sounds vaguely familiar; is this the same tech sci-fi society hinted at in very early TSR ala starship Warden and Expedition to Barrier Peaks adventure, etc?). I know a lot was detailed in Champions of the Princess Ark, but was there further sources? Thanks!
Interesting theories, one and all. I am curious as to the official (if any) sources of some of this, such as where Mystara's solar system was detailed (if at all; I've seen lots of fan-made Mystara spheres) and this "Federation" (sounds vaguely familiar; is this the same tech sci-fi society hinted at in very early TSR ala starship Warden and Expedition to Barrier Peaks adventure, etc?). I know a lot was detailed in Champions of the Princess Ark, but was there further sources? Thanks!
The Mystara Solar system and galaxy was detailed in the original D&D Immortals Rules Set (Gold box). The Federation is from the DA series connected with Blackmoor, yet referred to in many Mystara products. The assumption that the Federation is located in the Mystaran Galactic Hub is an extrapolation combining the two sources above.
The Pyrithians were introduced in an issue of the Princess Ark dealing with Emerond, a mystaran kingdom founded by a people from space. This was further detailed in the Mystaros Epic Timeline.
Hmmm...thats about it I think...
Hope that helps!
Havard
Originally posted by havard
Hope that helps!
Havard
Yep! Thanks! I know Mystara has had connections to space, just didn't know how far they went beyond the Champions of P.A. Thanks for the info! I'll look out for those sources at the next gaming auction
Certain products (such as Warriors of Heaven and Planewalker's Handbook, and the AD&D 2E Mystara monstrous compendium appendix) all worked rather hard to bring Mystara into the 2E cosmology. However, the exact how's of that were never made clear, since Mystara's cosmology is very important to the entire setting.
Then Vecna blew up the multiverse.
The way it stands now, every campaign world WotC has shown us so far has been in its own Material Plane. The Dragonlance Campaign Setting strongly implies it is on its own Prime. The Player's Guide to Faerun says its on its own Prime. Eberron says its on its own Prime. The new Dark Sun article in Dungeon says it has its own cosmology. That leaves Greyhawk all by its lonesome self. So, it fits the trend that Mystara, likewise, should now be in its own cosmology thanks to Vecna.
Btw, the Immortals are deities. Just check Warriors of Heaven for that. Likewise, the materials from Dragon #315 back that up all the way.
The way it stands now, every campaign world WotC has shown us so far has been in its own Material Plane. The Dragonlance Campaign Setting strongly implies it is on its own Prime. The Player's Guide to Faerun says its on its own Prime. Eberron says its on its own Prime. The new Dark Sun article in Dungeon says it has its own cosmology. That leaves Greyhawk all by its lonesome self. So, it fits the trend that Mystara, likewise, should now be in its own cosmology thanks to Vecna.
Thanks for the clarification! So, do SpellJammer fans usually ignore this, or do they leave those worlds alone and stick with Greyhawk and the SJ specific worlds..?
Here is one idea. The phlogiston is now considered a separate plane/dimension. While in the phlogiston, the different worlds still appear to be exist as Crystal Spheres and it is possible to enter the various Prime Planes from the Phlogiston. Also, SJ vessels may leave normal space of any world and enter the Phlogiston if it choses, but there is no longer neccesarily an edge at the end of the solar system that you have to travel to in order to enter the Phlogiston. It may always have been this way, or this may have been a result of the whole Vecna thing that changed the nature of the Phlogiston.
In any case, this also makes it easy to fit Mystara into all of this. Mystara always was a separate dimension with its own multiverse. However, the Phlogiston Dimension is one that links the Prime Planes of avrious Dimensions together and is thus now able to connect Mystara Space with the old Crystal Sphere worlds. From a Phlogiston perspective, Mystara Space appears to have a vast number of Crystal Spheres. Mystaras Solar System being the one that is closest to the other Spheres. This also allows travel through the Phlogiston to Mystaras paralell primes such as the Dimension of Myth/LaTerre, New Blackmoor and Nightmare Prime...
Mystaran Immortals are watching this development closely, especially the Council of Intrusions, making sure that only mortals are allowed to pass through. They will take steps if celestials, infernals or Deities attempt to do the same and will get aid from the Council of Hierarchs and probably most other Immortals to prevent this aswell. In addtion, the fact that this has made travel from the Dimension of Nightmare easier makes the Immortals wary...
What do you think?
Havard
Originally posted by havard
Thanks for the clarification! So, do SpellJammer fans usually ignore this, or do they leave those worlds alone and stick with Greyhawk and the SJ specific worlds..?
Here is one idea. The phlogiston is now considered a separate plane/dimension.
What do you think?
First thing to remember: there is no concensus as to what the SJ fans think. I've seen a lot of wild stuff that's way off the wall. So here's my input.
Generally, those SJ fans that have moved to 3e tend to consider the Phlogiston as either a fourth Transit Plane, or an extension of another Transit Plane. So thus, the two ways to go from one multiverse to another would be 1) Plane of Shadow and 2) the Phlogiston.
For those fans that stick with AD&D, they generally stick Mystara in its own crystal sphere, with few (if any) spheres around it being dramatically influenced by it.
I am more of a Mystara fan than an SJ fan, but I really love some of the ideas introduced in SJ and have become more interested in the setting lately.
Generally, those SJ fans that have moved to 3e tend to consider the Phlogiston as either a fourth Transit Plane, or an extension of another Transit Plane. So thus, the two ways to go from one multiverse to another would be 1) Plane of Shadow and 2) the Phlogiston.
This is more or less what I have been arguing I guess...
For those fans that stick with AD&D, they generally stick Mystara in its own crystal sphere, with few (if any) spheres around it being dramatically influenced by it.
This is certainly also a possibility. The downside to it is ofcourse that alot of the more interesting details from the Mystara cosmology are lost. I'm not here to dictate how people should run their campaigns though.
Personally, while I am intregued by the SJ setting, I never cared much for the ideas of people travelling from one AD&D setting to another. Rather, I was interested in the unique features of the SJ setting itself and the new crystal spheres introduced in the SJ products. So If I were to turn my Mystara campaign into an SJ campaign, id probably ignore the FR, GH and krynn connections, but keep the rest of SJ as it is...
Anyways, enough ramblings ;)
Havard, who should be getting back to work...
Originally posted by havard
Thanks for the clarification
I am more of a Mystara fan than an SJ fan, but I really love some of the ideas introduced in SJ and have become more interested in the setting lately.
Heh, I understand that
I had a similiar reaction when i quizzed the darksun board about SJ & DS. They were great sports!
This is certainly also a possibility. The downside to it is ofcourse that alot of the more interesting details from the Mystara cosmology are lost. I'm not here to dictate how people should run their campaigns though.
Personally, while I am intregued by the SJ setting, I never cared much for the ideas of people travelling from one AD&D setting to another. Rather, I was interested in the unique features of the SJ setting itself and the new crystal spheres introduced in the SJ products. So If I were to turn my Mystara campaign into an SJ campaign, id probably ignore the FR, GH and krynn connections, but keep the rest of SJ as it is...
Well, I've always maintained that if you took the main planets out of the spherebooks, you could run an SJ game without touching another setting ;)
I think that in one way, one of SJ's failings was that when it touched a setting, it was done as "make this another SJ planet", not "how can we take SJ and mold it to fit this world?". I took the latter approach with my DS/SJ crossover, and I think it turned out really well
So I guess here's how I'd approach a Mystara/SJ crossover: how can I take SJ and mold it to fit Mystara? Obviously, with lots of connections with space already, that might prove difficult (but certainly not impossible!).I think that in one way, one of SJ's failings was that when it touched a setting, it was done as "make this another SJ planet", not "how can we take SJ and mold it to fit this world?". I took the latter approach with my DS/SJ crossover, and I think it turned out really well So I guess here's how I'd approach a Mystara/SJ crossover: how can I take SJ and mold it to fit Mystara? Obviously, with lots of connections with space already, that might prove difficult (but certainly not impossible!).
I agree completely.
That was always my buggle with SJ, not just in connection with Mystara, but the other worlds aswell. DL (AD&D version) didnt really mesh well with FR and Greyhawk. Also, the ideas of the Gods living in the same realms, Takhisis hanging out in the abyss with FR and GH gods just didnt sit right with me.
A rewrite of SJ, keeping all the good parts, but not trying to redefine the individualities of each setting is something I definately would like to see.
Again, thanks for being so helpful towards a SJ newbie ;)
Havard
Originally posted by havard
I agree completely.
That was always my buggle with SJ, not just in connection with Mystara, but the other worlds aswell. DL (AD&D version) didnt really mesh well with FR and Greyhawk. Also, the ideas of the Gods living in the same realms, Takhisis hanging out in the abyss with FR and GH gods just didnt sit right with me.
A rewrite of SJ, keeping all the good parts, but not trying to redefine the individualities of each setting is something I definately would like to see.
Don't get me wrong; I like the "setting" of SJ (best represented in Rock of Bral, the novels, and the sphere guides sans the 'main' world), crystal spheres, phlogiston, and all. But what I didn't like about the sphere guides was they lacked the flair of the world they were set in. For example, in Realmspace, I would expect evil merchent organizations, colonies of FR races (moon elves, shield dwarves, etc), and countless ruins of ancient empires ala Nethril & the Imeraski.
But that's just me
Again, thanks for being so helpful towards a SJ newbie ;)
Havard
Hey no problem! I'm here to convert the masses to the greatness of SJ...;)
Don't get me wrong; I like the "setting" of SJ (best represented in Rock of Bral, the novels, and the sphere guides sans the 'main' world), crystal spheres, phlogiston, and all. But what I didn't like about the sphere guides was they lacked the flair of the world they were set in. For example, in Realmspace, I would expect evil merchent organizations, colonies of FR races (moon elves, shield dwarves, etc), and countless ruins of ancient empires ala Nethril & the Imeraski.
Yes exactly. The creators of SJ did great at what was their own creation, ie the SJ specific stuff. But their way bringing the other Settings into it left something to be desired.
I was always fascinated with the Imperial Elves, the Skroo and the Giff (Gotta have the Giff!). OTOH, it seems clear that most settings aren't "spacepowers" or the SJ equivalent. If so, why havent they conquered their own worlds yet? Having outposts and exploration ships is another matter though, ofcourse.
Likewise, an SJ Mystara Space should have Nithian ruins (Pyramids et al), Old Alphatia out there with Spelljammers and the lot, Thyatians, Heldannic Warbirds etc etc.
I was always disappointed that Mystara wasnt included in the original SJ booklet. But then ofcourse it wasnt an AD&D setting at the time...
Another thought: Whatabout brining the Dragonstar Setting into Spelljammer? It doesnt take much to change the technology elements into magic and the shapeships into Spelljammers, the rest, including the empire controlled by dragons fit perfectly with SJ...
Havard
Originally posted by havard
I was always fascinated with the Imperial Elves, the Skroo and the Giff (Gotta have the Giff!). OTOH, it seems clear that most settings aren't "spacepowers" or the SJ equivalent. If so, why havent they conquered their own worlds yet? Having outposts and exploration ships is another matter though, ofcourse.
Likewise, an SJ Mystara Space should have Nithian ruins (Pyramids et al), Old Alphatia out there with Spelljammers and the lot, Thyatians, Heldannic Warbirds etc etc.
Exactly. Maybe not those exact things, but elements of the setting should definately be fingerprinted all across the sphere
It doesn't have to be "Zhents in space", but could be "The Black Cartel, some ties to the Zhents, on a mission to control trade". That sort of stuff
I was always disappointed that Mystara wasnt included in the original SJ booklet. But then ofcourse it wasnt an AD&D setting at the time...
Here's something that I've been giving some thought to after completing Crimson Sphere: In SJ circles, the Greyspace, Krynnspace, & Realmspace triangle is usually called the "Radiant Triangle" (coined back in Temporum, if I'm not mistaken). What if there is a *second* triangle of spheres, overlayed on top of the first, with harder to find flow rivers (the whole would look like a Star of David; a 6-pointed star). This "Shadow Triangle" would include the Crimson Sphere, the Birthright Sphere, and either Ravenspace (Ravenloft) or Mystara. Thus you have a map with the major of the D&D settings! :D Just a thought anyways; haven't really done anything with it (been too busy!).
Another thought: Whatabout brining the Dragonstar Setting into Spelljammer? It doesnt take much to change the technology elements into magic and the shapeships into Spelljammers, the rest, including the empire controlled by dragons fit perfectly with SJ...
Eh, wasn't overly impressed by Dragonstar, honestly. But if you like it, go for it
Originally posted by Nightdruid
This "Shadow Triangle" would include the Crimson Sphere, the Birthright Sphere, and either Ravenspace (Ravenloft) or Mystara.
Seeing as Ravenloft is an ethereal demiplane, it doesn't make sense for it to have its own sphere.
What's the Crimson Sphere?
Wyvern
Originally posted by Wyvern76
Seeing as Ravenloft is an ethereal demiplane, it doesn't make sense for it to have its own sphere.
What's the Crimson Sphere?
Wyvern
My darksun/spelljammer crossover. Can read it here:
http://www.crimsonsun.org/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=197
Ya, that's why I can't decide if I should use RL or Mystara...RL is in the deep ethereal, but does maintain the "shadow" aspect that's common to the other two worlds. But as I said, it's just an idea that hasn't gone any farther than a couple of hours of thought.
Here's something that I've been giving some thought to after completing Crimson Sphere: In SJ circles, the Greyspace, Krynnspace, & Realmspace triangle is usually called the "Radiant Triangle" (coined back in Temporum, if I'm not mistaken). What if there is a *second* triangle of spheres, overlayed on top of the first, with harder to find flow rivers (the whole would look like a Star of David; a 6-pointed star). This "Shadow Triangle" would include the Crimson Sphere, the Birthright Sphere, and either Ravenspace (Ravenloft) or Mystara. Thus you have a map with the major of the D&D settings! Just a thought anyways; haven't really done anything with it (been too busy!).
Sounds good. Both settings would fit I suppose, though as Wyvern pointed out, Ravenloft might be problematic. OTOH, Mystara Space is a weird place, so you might want to just put it on the egde of known SJ Space...
As for DragonStar..I just kinda liked the Shadowrun feel to it. Kitch perhaps, but hey...
Im actually thinking about putting the whole thing within the Mystara Galaxy with tech and all...
Havard
Originally posted by havard
Sounds good. Both settings would fit I suppose, though as Wyvern pointed out, Ravenloft might be problematic. OTOH, Mystara Space is a weird place, so you might want to just put it on the egde of known SJ Space...
Right...the problem is, both have their pluses and both have their minuses. *shrug*, maybe I'll give it more thought later, when I can contemplate the best way to tackle it
Originally posted by Nightdruid
Ya, that's why I can't decide if I should use RL or Mystara...RL is in the deep ethereal, but does maintain the "shadow" aspect that's common to the other two worlds. But as I said, it's just an idea that hasn't gone any farther than a couple of hours of thought.
I don't think Ravenloft would make a very good sphere. One of the major thematic elements of in the RL setting is that nobody gets out, so allowing spelljamming to and from RL would ruin the flavor, even more so than with Dark Sun.
There are other alternatives besides Dragonstar. You could use Pyrespace, from "Shadow of the Spider Moon", or you could wait until Eberron comes out and incorporate it. Then of course there are lots of third-party settings you could use, such as Rokugan, Warcraft, Nyambe, Kalamar, the Scarred Lands... If you want to go really far out, you could even convert the Wheel of Time setting.
Wyvern
As for the other worlds, I say include them! There is no reason why any non-WotC D20 settings couldn't be incorporated.
Night_druid, are you gonna make a map out of this? I'll be curious to see one...
Havard
Originally posted by Wyvern76
There are other alternatives besides Dragonstar. You could use Pyrespace, from "Shadow of the Spider Moon", or you could wait until Eberron comes out and incorporate it. Then of course there are lots of third-party settings you could use, such as Rokugan, Warcraft, Nyambe, Kalamar, the Scarred Lands... If you want to go really far out, you could even convert the Wheel of Time setting.
Um, did I just get volunteered to write sphere guides for said setting??
Um, did I just get volunteered to write sphere guides for said setting??
Yup.
I expect to see them done by monday.... ;)
Havard
Originally posted by havard
Yup.
I expect to see them done by monday.... ;)
Havard
Yaaaaaaa....sure....and with my oh-so-limited knowledge of said settings and their cosmologies, i'm sure the sphere guides will blow chunks *and* manage to set the fans of said settings hounding for my blood in the blink of an eye...
Originally posted by Nightdruid
Um, did I just get volunteered to write sphere guides for said setting??
No, I'm just saying that if you're looking for something else to fill that "gap", there are plenty of possibilities to choose from.
Wyvern
Originally posted by Wyvern76
No, I'm just saying that if you're looking for something else to fill that "gap", there are plenty of possibilities to choose from.
Wyvern
Heh, I'd actually prefer to use an established TSR/WotC world for such a triangle.
Heh, I'd actually prefer to use an established TSR/WotC world for such a triangle.
For the Triangle I agree. Mystara seems like the most suitable candidate, although it would mean opening up for this as a channel towards the entire dimension of Mystara Space.
OTOH, I like the idea of including the other worlds aswell somewhere in the SJ universe. Kalamar, another personal favorite of mine for instance, is an official D&D world, and very D&Desque at that too...
Havard
First, Spelljammer needs to be a setting that can stand on its own.
That being said, Spelljammer needs to also be something that you can attach settings to (ala Greyspace, Realmspace, and Krynnspace). This way, you can incorporate many different settings, both WotC and elsewhere.
From there, you give SJ the ability to be customizable. If, for example, you liked Realmspace but not Greyspace, Greyspace doesn't have to be in your cosmology. Likewise, if you wanted to add in Mystaraspace (or whatever that's called), you could do it.
Originally posted by havard
For the Triangle I agree. Mystara seems like the most suitable candidate, although it would mean opening up for this as a channel towards the entire dimension of Mystara Space.
OTOH, I like the idea of including the other worlds aswell somewhere in the SJ universe. Kalamar, another personal favorite of mine for instance, is an official D&D world, and very D&Desque at that too...
Havard
Certainly. Mystara would fit for this "shadow triangle", while other settings could fit elsewhere
Ooooo...maybe the d20 settings could be set up to form one big "d20"...
Certainly. Mystara would fit for this "shadow triangle", while other settings could fit elsewhere Ooooo...maybe the d20 settings could be set up to form one big "d20"...
Hehe! That idea is just crazy enough for me to like it!
Another thought on a Ravenspace: The idea that it is hard to escape Ravenloft doesn't neccesarily mean that the world cannot have a crystal sphere. Maybe it pulls spelljammers in, but wont let them out? Also, the Ravenloft Setting Masque of the Red Death may have its own separate Crystal Sphere.
Havard