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#1
Kamelion
Feb 06, 2004 12:16:01 Hey folks.

Below is a preview version of the Athas-specific list for Summon Nature's Ally. This is the list that will be featured in the upcoming Terrors of Athas release from athas.org and we're looking for feedback, comments, suggestions - the usual round of blistering critique. The final version will be the official list, to be released with ToA. There's another thread for Summon Monster.

Mark.

Summon Nature’s Ally – Athasian Variant

Creatures in bold are found in Terrors of Athas.

(1) The creature may only be summoned into an aquatic environment.
(2) The creature may only be summoned into a silt-rich environment.
(3) The creature may only be summoned into an abundant environment (DS3e Core Rules Chapter 8).

1ST LEVEL
Dire rat
Eagle (animal)
Jhakar (animal)
Monkey (animal)
Octopus(1) (animal)
Owl (animal)
Skyfish(1) (animal)
Snake, Small viper (animal)

2ND LEVEL
Bear, black (animal)
Cheetah (animal)
Dire bat
Elemental, Small (any)
Giant Lizard (animal)
Kluzd (animal)
Razorwing
Shark, Medium(1) (animal)
Snake, Medium viper (animal)
Squid(1) (animal)

3RD LEVEL
Ape (animal)
Athasian shark, Large(1) (animal)
Eagle, giant
Hej-Kin
Lion
Lirr (animal)
Owl, giant
Snake, constrictor (animal)
Snake, Large viper (animal)
Takis (animal)
Thoqqua

4TH LEVEL
Arrowhawk, juvenile
Bear, brown (animal)
Cha’thrang (animal)
Dire ape
Elemental, Medium (any)
Inix (animal)
Salamander, flamebrother
Mountain Spider
Sea cat(1)
Snake, Huge viper (animal)
Strine (animal)
Subterranean lizard (animal)
Tiger (animal)
Tojanida, juvenile(1)
War crodlu (animal)
Xorn, minor

5TH LEVEL
Arrowhawk, adult
Athasian shark, Huge(1) (animal)
Athasian sloth (animal)
Dire lion
Elemental, Large (any)
Feylaar
Janni (genie)
Minotaur Lizard
Rast
Shadow Giant
Snake, giant constrictor (animal)
Tigone
Tojanida, adult(1)

6TH LEVEL
Dire bear
Elemental, Huge (any)
Elemental Beast (any)
Girallon
Hatori (animal)
Octopus, giant(1) (animal)
Paraelemental Beast (any)
Puddingfish(1) (animal)
Salamander, average
Xorn, average

7TH LEVEL
Arrowhawk, elder
Athasian treant(3)
Dire tiger
Djinni (genie)
Elemental, greater (any)
Invisible stalker
Sand Bride
Slimahacc (animal)
Squid, giant(1) (animal)
White silt horror(2) (animal)
Xorn, elder

8TH LEVEL
Athasian roc
Drik (animal)
Salamander, noble
Tojanida, elder(1)

9TH LEVEL
Elemental, elder
Sand Mother
Sink worm
Styr
#2
Nefal
Feb 07, 2004 19:30:53 Hi!

Good job! DS needed really such a list!
IMHO there's too much "aquatic"creature in the 4th and 8th level... particulary the 8th lvl. You can summon (in normal conditions) Athasian Roc or a Noble Salamander (pretty good creatures but that's not the point)... I know that's no more proposed creature in the "official" 3.5 rules... maybe it could be a good opportunity to give real choice to the druid? Maybe the "minor" drakes of the draconomicon? Or "toolbox" as lammasu or sphinx (I've always thought about "athasian lammasu" neutral and used by officials of Urik...) Shambling mound? Tendriculous? Mekillot?

BTW good job! I enjoy to see the preview of the summon monster!

See you
nef'
#3
Kamelion
Feb 07, 2004 20:23:43 Hi Nefal - thanks for your feedback. Good points about the aquatic creatures. They certainly unbalance the list at 8th level. I'll have a look at tweaking that and coming up with an alternative. Cheers
#4
Kamelion
Feb 08, 2004 11:55:09 OK, tweaked the list to have strine at 4th level and drik at 8th level. Had to lose the dire shark, but there you go. This should be a bit more balanced
#5
Nefal
Feb 08, 2004 18:34:28 Dag!

I must admit I've know idea what's a strine or a drik... but I trust you and hope it would be more balanced!

Great job for the summon monster list too!

See you
Nef'
#6
Kamelion
Feb 09, 2004 2:42:11 Heh - a drik is a giant shelled lizard, a bit like a mekillot but more grumpy. They were originally in DSMC2. The strine is a sort of mutant porcupine - it's from Polyhedron iirc - that shoots its quills at its enemies. Anyway, they'll both be in the imminent ToA
#7
terendel
Feb 14, 2004 13:41:14 Tiger (animal) is listed at both 4th and 5th level. Was that intentional?

del
#8
Kamelion
Feb 14, 2004 13:43:46
Tiger (animal) is listed at both 4th and 5th level. Was that intentional?

Nope. That was just plain stupid. Lemme fix that. Shoo, kitty, shoo...

(Thanks, Del )

Edit: OK, replaced it with the tigone. It seemed a better replacement for the nixie. Ta!
#9
nytcrawlr
Feb 15, 2004 1:54:37
Originally posted by Kamelion
The strine is a sort of mutant porcupine - it's from Polyhedron iirc - that shoots its quills at its enemies.

Shattered Lands actually.
#10
Kamelion
Feb 15, 2004 2:02:55
Originally posted by NytCrawlr
Shattered Lands actually.

Heh - I stand corrected
#11
zombiegleemax
Feb 15, 2004 14:57:54 What are your reasons for having shadow giant on the list?
#12
Kamelion
Feb 15, 2004 18:14:15
Originally posted by Hill Giant
What are your reasons for having shadow giant on the list?

I initially needed a replacement for the satyr and started by looking at creatures of appropriate CR and abilities (in other words, it shouldn't be replaced by some CR 6 animal.) I also considered the fact that the Nature's Ally spells can summon creatures from planes tied to the (super)natural world - the inner planes rather than the outer planes. On Athas, this includes the Black. The shadow giant met all of the above criteria quite nicely and so I went for that.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Kamelion Feb 06, 2004 12:16:01	Hey folks. Below is a preview version of the Athas-specific list for Summon Nature's Ally. This is the list that will be featured in the upcoming Terrors of Athas release from athas.org and we're looking for feedback, comments, suggestions - the usual round of blistering critique. The final version will be the official list, to be released with ToA. There's another thread for Summon Monster. Mark. Summon Nature’s Ally – Athasian Variant Creatures in bold are found in Terrors of Athas. (1) The creature may only be summoned into an aquatic environment. (2) The creature may only be summoned into a silt-rich environment. (3) The creature may only be summoned into an abundant environment (DS3e Core Rules Chapter 8). 1ST LEVEL Dire rat Eagle (animal) Jhakar (animal) Monkey (animal) Octopus(1) (animal) Owl (animal) Skyfish(1) (animal) Snake, Small viper (animal) 2ND LEVEL Bear, black (animal) Cheetah (animal) Dire bat Elemental, Small (any) Giant Lizard (animal) Kluzd (animal) Razorwing Shark, Medium(1) (animal) Snake, Medium viper (animal) Squid(1) (animal) 3RD LEVEL Ape (animal) Athasian shark, Large(1) (animal) Eagle, giant Hej-Kin Lion Lirr (animal) Owl, giant Snake, constrictor (animal) Snake, Large viper (animal) Takis (animal) Thoqqua 4TH LEVEL Arrowhawk, juvenile Bear, brown (animal) Cha’thrang (animal) Dire ape Elemental, Medium (any) Inix (animal) Salamander, flamebrother Mountain Spider Sea cat(1) Snake, Huge viper (animal) Strine (animal) Subterranean lizard (animal) Tiger (animal) Tojanida, juvenile(1) War crodlu (animal) Xorn, minor 5TH LEVEL Arrowhawk, adult Athasian shark, Huge(1) (animal) Athasian sloth (animal) Dire lion Elemental, Large (any) Feylaar Janni (genie) Minotaur Lizard Rast Shadow Giant Snake, giant constrictor (animal) Tigone Tojanida, adult(1) 6TH LEVEL Dire bear Elemental, Huge (any) Elemental Beast (any) Girallon Hatori (animal) Octopus, giant(1) (animal) Paraelemental Beast (any) Puddingfish(1) (animal) Salamander, average Xorn, average 7TH LEVEL Arrowhawk, elder Athasian treant(3) Dire tiger Djinni (genie) Elemental, greater (any) Invisible stalker Sand Bride Slimahacc (animal) Squid, giant(1) (animal) White silt horror(2) (animal) Xorn, elder 8TH LEVEL Athasian roc Drik (animal) Salamander, noble Tojanida, elder(1) 9TH LEVEL Elemental, elder Sand Mother Sink worm Styr
#2 Nefal Feb 07, 2004 19:30:53	Hi! Good job! DS needed really such a list! IMHO there's too much "aquatic"creature in the 4th and 8th level... particulary the 8th lvl. You can summon (in normal conditions) Athasian Roc or a Noble Salamander (pretty good creatures but that's not the point)... I know that's no more proposed creature in the "official" 3.5 rules... maybe it could be a good opportunity to give real choice to the druid? Maybe the "minor" drakes of the draconomicon? Or "toolbox" as lammasu or sphinx (I've always thought about "athasian lammasu" neutral and used by officials of Urik...) Shambling mound? Tendriculous? Mekillot? BTW good job! I enjoy to see the preview of the summon monster! See you nef'
#3 Kamelion Feb 07, 2004 20:23:43	Hi Nefal - thanks for your feedback. Good points about the aquatic creatures. They certainly unbalance the list at 8th level. I'll have a look at tweaking that and coming up with an alternative. Cheers
#4 Kamelion Feb 08, 2004 11:55:09	OK, tweaked the list to have strine at 4th level and drik at 8th level. Had to lose the dire shark, but there you go. This should be a bit more balanced
#5 Nefal Feb 08, 2004 18:34:28	Dag! I must admit I've know idea what's a strine or a drik... but I trust you and hope it would be more balanced! Great job for the summon monster list too! See you Nef'
#6 Kamelion Feb 09, 2004 2:42:11	Heh - a drik is a giant shelled lizard, a bit like a mekillot but more grumpy. They were originally in DSMC2. The strine is a sort of mutant porcupine - it's from Polyhedron iirc - that shoots its quills at its enemies. Anyway, they'll both be in the imminent ToA
#7 terendel Feb 14, 2004 13:41:14	Tiger (animal) is listed at both 4th and 5th level. Was that intentional? del
#8 Kamelion Feb 14, 2004 13:43:46	Tiger (animal) is listed at both 4th and 5th level. Was that intentional? Nope. That was just plain stupid. Lemme fix that. Shoo, kitty, shoo... (Thanks, Del ) Edit: OK, replaced it with the tigone. It seemed a better replacement for the nixie. Ta!
#9 nytcrawlr Feb 15, 2004 1:54:37	Originally posted by Kamelion The strine is a sort of mutant porcupine - it's from Polyhedron iirc - that shoots its quills at its enemies. Shattered Lands actually.
#10 Kamelion Feb 15, 2004 2:02:55	Originally posted by NytCrawlr Shattered Lands actually. Heh - I stand corrected
#11 zombiegleemax Feb 15, 2004 14:57:54	What are your reasons for having shadow giant on the list?
#12 Kamelion Feb 15, 2004 18:14:15	Originally posted by Hill Giant What are your reasons for having shadow giant on the list? I initially needed a replacement for the satyr and started by looking at creatures of appropriate CR and abilities (in other words, it shouldn't be replaced by some CR 6 animal.) I also considered the fact that the Nature's Ally spells can summon creatures from planes tied to the (super)natural world - the inner planes rather than the outer planes. On Athas, this includes the Black. The shadow giant met all of the above criteria quite nicely and so I went for that.