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Tiefling/Aasimar varieties.

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#1
zombiegleemax
Feb 06, 2004 22:31:03 Considering the fact that the setting stresses the differences between the poles of the ethical spectrum (as is seen in the Blood War), wouldn't it be more appropriate to have a few varieties of tiefling or aasimar representing the exemplar race that they are descended from? Why should the mortal descendent of a Batezu (LE) have more in common with that of a Tanar'ri (CE), than with a Zenythri (LN)? Why should the mortal descendents of Eleadrin (sp?) have a predisposition towards Law, and have Paladin as a racially favored class? I'm not saying get rid of the terms "Aasimar" and "Tiefling", just add a few others, and possibly tweak the races accordingly.
#2
Shemeska_the_Marauder
Feb 06, 2004 23:49:56 Well for example there's various types of Cambion out there w/ abilities depending on what type of Tanar'ri was involved. Also there was, in the Planewalkers handbook I believe, alternate rules concerning tiefling abilities by descent. (This may have been a web thing, don't have my books handy at the moment)
#3
incenjucar
Feb 07, 2004 0:02:09 The Planewalker's Handbook had a massive set of tables (Two whole pages, I think) for random tiefling abilities.
#4
MephitJames
Feb 07, 2004 11:35:47 yeah, the Planewalkers' Handbook had a big tiefling chart and Warriors of Heaven had a big aasimar table. They were both canon, you rolled a d100 and consulted these tables to determine the abilities. I liked narfi's point, though, about the paladin favored class thing, though. They're champions of good, true, but also champions of law, which doesn't fit three out of the four major celestial races. I think a few aasimar and tiefling "races" are in order. Brainstorming begins now.
#5
ripvanwormer
Feb 07, 2004 13:48:59 The thing about tieflings is that their ancestry is often obscure. They're the ultimate bastards, rejected by mortals and immortals alike. Many of them breed with one another, which means they may have a wide variety of fiendish blood and even stranger ichors running through their veins. And genetics does strange things when it combines with the extraplanar essence of belief.

Some tieflings might not have any actual fiendish blood. Perhaps they've just been altered subtly by generations of living in places where mortals were not meant to go.

So they're difficult to catagorize. However, I made this page:
http://geocities.com/ripvanwormer/bookoftieflings.html

After brainstorming for ideas.

I also have a page on genasi.
#6
zombiegleemax
Feb 07, 2004 17:56:57 For more tiefling grooviness, check out these articles:

Baatezuvian Tieflings

Acheronian Tieflings

Gehreleth Tieflings

Realm of a Million Eyes Tieflings

I posted these way back when on the PSML, and they have since been hosted at Tiefling's Exultation.

Chris Nichols
#7
zombiegleemax
Feb 08, 2004 4:54:55 I'd say that Tieflings and Aasimar are too far away from their ancestors to have noticeable legacies from their forefathers.

Now, Half Celestials and Half-Fiends are a different matter entirely.

I loved the random table idea though.
#8
zombiegleemax
Feb 09, 2004 3:09:03 Over at ENworld Kamikaze Midget posted a rather extensive thread with a variatie of planetouched races, including aasimar, tieflings, chaons, etc.
You can find it here .
#9
weenie
Feb 12, 2004 12:38:57 Personally, I dislike using "alternate" tiefling races, as in the LE one, the CE one...

IMC, I prefer to let a tiefling player pick & choose the minor abilities at character creation. For example, he could drop elemental resistance 5 and gain a 1d4 claw attack... or drop the darkness 1/day and gain +2 natural armor bonus (which is what Rhys has in Factol's Manifesto IIRC) or just choose another low-level Sp ability, or take +2 Cha/-2 Int instead of the other way around... anything within reasonable limits.

Same applies for other planetouched races. IMO, for the cost of Level Adjustment, a player should get what he likes.
#10
zombiegleemax
Feb 20, 2004 23:32:35 Now that Unearthed Arcana is out, we at least have a more of a fix for the Aasimar. The favored class can remain Paladin, but allow the use of the Paladin variants for the three other alignment extremes.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Feb 06, 2004 22:31:03	Considering the fact that the setting stresses the differences between the poles of the ethical spectrum (as is seen in the Blood War), wouldn't it be more appropriate to have a few varieties of tiefling or aasimar representing the exemplar race that they are descended from? Why should the mortal descendent of a Batezu (LE) have more in common with that of a Tanar'ri (CE), than with a Zenythri (LN)? Why should the mortal descendents of Eleadrin (sp?) have a predisposition towards Law, and have Paladin as a racially favored class? I'm not saying get rid of the terms "Aasimar" and "Tiefling", just add a few others, and possibly tweak the races accordingly.
#2 Shemeska_the_Marauder Feb 06, 2004 23:49:56	Well for example there's various types of Cambion out there w/ abilities depending on what type of Tanar'ri was involved. Also there was, in the Planewalkers handbook I believe, alternate rules concerning tiefling abilities by descent. (This may have been a web thing, don't have my books handy at the moment)
#3 incenjucar Feb 07, 2004 0:02:09	The Planewalker's Handbook had a massive set of tables (Two whole pages, I think) for random tiefling abilities.
#4 MephitJames Feb 07, 2004 11:35:47	yeah, the Planewalkers' Handbook had a big tiefling chart and Warriors of Heaven had a big aasimar table. They were both canon, you rolled a d100 and consulted these tables to determine the abilities. I liked narfi's point, though, about the paladin favored class thing, though. They're champions of good, true, but also champions of law, which doesn't fit three out of the four major celestial races. I think a few aasimar and tiefling "races" are in order. Brainstorming begins now.
#5 ripvanwormer Feb 07, 2004 13:48:59	The thing about tieflings is that their ancestry is often obscure. They're the ultimate bastards, rejected by mortals and immortals alike. Many of them breed with one another, which means they may have a wide variety of fiendish blood and even stranger ichors running through their veins. And genetics does strange things when it combines with the extraplanar essence of belief. Some tieflings might not have any actual fiendish blood. Perhaps they've just been altered subtly by generations of living in places where mortals were not meant to go. So they're difficult to catagorize. However, I made this page: http://geocities.com/ripvanwormer/bookoftieflings.html After brainstorming for ideas. I also have a page on genasi.
#6 zombiegleemax Feb 07, 2004 17:56:57	For more tiefling grooviness, check out these articles: Baatezuvian Tieflings Acheronian Tieflings Gehreleth Tieflings Realm of a Million Eyes Tieflings I posted these way back when on the PSML, and they have since been hosted at Tiefling's Exultation. Chris Nichols
#7 zombiegleemax Feb 08, 2004 4:54:55	I'd say that Tieflings and Aasimar are too far away from their ancestors to have noticeable legacies from their forefathers. Now, Half Celestials and Half-Fiends are a different matter entirely. I loved the random table idea though.
#8 zombiegleemax Feb 09, 2004 3:09:03	Over at ENworld Kamikaze Midget posted a rather extensive thread with a variatie of planetouched races, including aasimar, tieflings, chaons, etc. You can find it here .
#9 weenie Feb 12, 2004 12:38:57	Personally, I dislike using "alternate" tiefling races, as in the LE one, the CE one... IMC, I prefer to let a tiefling player pick & choose the minor abilities at character creation. For example, he could drop elemental resistance 5 and gain a 1d4 claw attack... or drop the darkness 1/day and gain +2 natural armor bonus (which is what Rhys has in Factol's Manifesto IIRC) or just choose another low-level Sp ability, or take +2 Cha/-2 Int instead of the other way around... anything within reasonable limits. Same applies for other planetouched races. IMO, for the cost of Level Adjustment, a player should get what he likes.
#10 zombiegleemax Feb 20, 2004 23:32:35	Now that Unearthed Arcana is out, we at least have a more of a fix for the Aasimar. The favored class can remain Paladin, but allow the use of the Paladin variants for the three other alignment extremes.