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Jandar Sunstar

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#1
zombiegleemax
Feb 08, 2004 4:44:48 What's the reasoning behing keeping him around ? In the end of Vampire of the Mists Jandar basically figures out the whole plot the Dark Powers had and realizes exactly what he mustn't do. Champions of Darkness have him doing almost exactly what he shouldnt be doing, fighting. He realized his fight was never going to end against Strahd so he willingly gave up.

According to CoD the mists took him before he died, which doesn't seem to make much sense to me considering they'd get no more use out of Jandar. This new Jandar persona being thrown out makes him some out as a hunter that is "careful only to kill ones who have given in to there evil nature fully" and is on a quest to bring goodness and light back to the evil realm of dread. This sounds like a kiddy story.

How are you supposed to believe that a character smart enough to figure out what the powers binding him in RL were up and then be dumb enough to walk into another struggle so foolishly?
#2
zombiegleemax
Feb 08, 2004 10:09:59 Is he still around?
I thought he was shipped back to the Realms after the mists saved him from the Last sunrise (and moved him to forlorn). I thought that the DP saw no need to have a vampire hunter stalking in Forlorn, so they send him back to the Realms.
But appearently NOT???
#3
zombiegleemax
Feb 08, 2004 10:48:12 I think the best is to see it this way: It's fun to have stats, even those of dead characters.

Mister Miller can better explain why they decided to resurrect him.

But it's useful to have his stats for those who want to use him. I'm very tempted to do so myself since he was a good character.

Also, forget the entry in Champ. of Dorkness.
They modified his current sketch from CotN: Vampires by having Jander enter a coma or something like that while in CotN: Vampires it never happened.
Also his sheet is VERY VERY VERY flawed. They forgot all his fighter feats and made quite a few other mistake. YOu might as well convert it yourself directly from CotN: Vampires. Anyone can do better than this sloppy version from CoD
#4
zombiegleemax
Feb 08, 2004 11:48:55
Originally posted by Charney
[b]Mister Miller can better explain why they decided to resurrect him.

But it's useful to have his stats for those who want to use him. I'm very tempted to do so myself since he was a good character.

And that is EXACTLY why we "ressurected" him in CotN: Vampires.

Here's the short version...

While we were conceiving of "CotN: Vampires" someone (either Harold Johnson, Bill Connors, myself, or possibly even Paul Culotta--I no longer recall whom) said we should put game stats for Jander in the product. I think THAT was a geat idea, as he's a neat character who had never been statted.

I thought he should be featured in an adventure that took place between chapters of "Vampire of the Mists" as there is plenty of room in that book for side stories. Harold disagreed with that idea, basically reasoning that no one would want to play a flashback adventure, so Jander had to be brought forward.

If memory serves, the Mists moved Jander to Forlorn not so he could hunt vampires, but because it was the only piece of real estate available in the Core.

Oh, and another bit of CotN: Vampires trivia... the "Alexi" adventure was supposed to be BEFORE the Jander adventure. Some of the references within the Jander adventure (like those referring to Nira having stood along the PCs in an adventure involving the Vistani) make more sense if you read "Alexi" first, THEN the Jander tale.

I have no idea why the order was switched.
#5
zombiegleemax
Feb 08, 2004 12:32:21
Originally posted by Writer of Stuff
While we were conceiving of "CotN: Vampires" someone (either Harold Johnson, Bill Connors, myself, or possibly even Paul Culotta--I no longer recall whom) said we should put game stats for Jander in the product. I think THAT was a geat idea, as he's a neat character who had never been statted.

I thought he should be featured in an adventure that took place between chapters of "Vampire of the Mists" as there is plenty of room in that book for side stories. Harold disagreed with that idea, basically reasoning that no one would want to play a flashback adventure, so Jander had to be brought forward.

Wow, I totally hate the idea that was went with, and totally think that your idea to have run a flashback, in-between chapters adventure would have been much, much better.

One of the most irritating things about Ravenloft to me is the continuing existence of Jander after the events in Vampire of the Mists. The entire "Mists snatching him away," or being fast-forwarded into the future...completely and entirely lame.

It runs strongly counter to the idea Ravenloft has about everyone having a choice and digging their own graves, which is inherent in the Powers Check system.

I think giving Jander some stats was a good idea, but hate, hate, hate his living past Vampire of the Mists...ugh.

I'm not sure if I feel better that you initially decided he should be put into an adventure during his life before the end of Vampire of the Mists, or worse because it was stupidly - foolishly didn't quite sum up my feelings - discarded.

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#1 zombiegleemax Feb 08, 2004 4:44:48	What's the reasoning behing keeping him around ? In the end of Vampire of the Mists Jandar basically figures out the whole plot the Dark Powers had and realizes exactly what he mustn't do. Champions of Darkness have him doing almost exactly what he shouldnt be doing, fighting. He realized his fight was never going to end against Strahd so he willingly gave up. According to CoD the mists took him before he died, which doesn't seem to make much sense to me considering they'd get no more use out of Jandar. This new Jandar persona being thrown out makes him some out as a hunter that is "careful only to kill ones who have given in to there evil nature fully" and is on a quest to bring goodness and light back to the evil realm of dread. This sounds like a kiddy story. How are you supposed to believe that a character smart enough to figure out what the powers binding him in RL were up and then be dumb enough to walk into another struggle so foolishly?
#2 zombiegleemax Feb 08, 2004 10:09:59	Is he still around? I thought he was shipped back to the Realms after the mists saved him from the Last sunrise (and moved him to forlorn). I thought that the DP saw no need to have a vampire hunter stalking in Forlorn, so they send him back to the Realms. But appearently NOT???
#3 zombiegleemax Feb 08, 2004 10:48:12	I think the best is to see it this way: It's fun to have stats, even those of dead characters. Mister Miller can better explain why they decided to resurrect him. But it's useful to have his stats for those who want to use him. I'm very tempted to do so myself since he was a good character. Also, forget the entry in Champ. of Dorkness. They modified his current sketch from CotN: Vampires by having Jander enter a coma or something like that while in CotN: Vampires it never happened. Also his sheet is VERY VERY VERY flawed. They forgot all his fighter feats and made quite a few other mistake. YOu might as well convert it yourself directly from CotN: Vampires. Anyone can do better than this sloppy version from CoD
#4 zombiegleemax Feb 08, 2004 11:48:55	Originally posted by Charney [b]Mister Miller can better explain why they decided to resurrect him. But it's useful to have his stats for those who want to use him. I'm very tempted to do so myself since he was a good character. And that is EXACTLY why we "ressurected" him in CotN: Vampires. Here's the short version... While we were conceiving of "CotN: Vampires" someone (either Harold Johnson, Bill Connors, myself, or possibly even Paul Culotta--I no longer recall whom) said we should put game stats for Jander in the product. I think THAT was a geat idea, as he's a neat character who had never been statted. I thought he should be featured in an adventure that took place between chapters of "Vampire of the Mists" as there is plenty of room in that book for side stories. Harold disagreed with that idea, basically reasoning that no one would want to play a flashback adventure, so Jander had to be brought forward. If memory serves, the Mists moved Jander to Forlorn not so he could hunt vampires, but because it was the only piece of real estate available in the Core. Oh, and another bit of CotN: Vampires trivia... the "Alexi" adventure was supposed to be BEFORE the Jander adventure. Some of the references within the Jander adventure (like those referring to Nira having stood along the PCs in an adventure involving the Vistani) make more sense if you read "Alexi" first, THEN the Jander tale. I have no idea why the order was switched.
#5 zombiegleemax Feb 08, 2004 12:32:21	Originally posted by Writer of Stuff While we were conceiving of "CotN: Vampires" someone (either Harold Johnson, Bill Connors, myself, or possibly even Paul Culotta--I no longer recall whom) said we should put game stats for Jander in the product. I think THAT was a geat idea, as he's a neat character who had never been statted. I thought he should be featured in an adventure that took place between chapters of "Vampire of the Mists" as there is plenty of room in that book for side stories. Harold disagreed with that idea, basically reasoning that no one would want to play a flashback adventure, so Jander had to be brought forward. Wow, I totally hate the idea that was went with, and totally think that your idea to have run a flashback, in-between chapters adventure would have been much, much better. One of the most irritating things about Ravenloft to me is the continuing existence of Jander after the events in Vampire of the Mists. The entire "Mists snatching him away," or being fast-forwarded into the future...completely and entirely lame. It runs strongly counter to the idea Ravenloft has about everyone having a choice and digging their own graves, which is inherent in the Powers Check system. I think giving Jander some stats was a good idea, but hate, hate, hate his living past Vampire of the Mists...ugh. I'm not sure if I feel better that you initially decided he should be put into an adventure during his life before the end of Vampire of the Mists, or worse because it was stupidly - foolishly didn't quite sum up my feelings - discarded.