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Renegade Sorcs...

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#1
zombiegleemax
Feb 11, 2004 16:19:24 A Sorceror is someone who is born with that ability, not a fault of thier own. What I want to know is, would a character who is born with the abilities of a Sorc, who chooses to study Magic (As a Wizard) be considered a Renegade? I'm thinking that the eventual character will probably become a 25/15 Wiz/Sorc... Is there a problem? Or would a problem only happen if the Sorc levels were greater than the Wiz levels?
#2
cam_banks
Feb 11, 2004 19:00:31
Originally posted by EmperorYan
A Sorceror is someone who is born with that ability, not a fault of thier own.

While the above might be true in some campaign settings, it isn't for Dragonlance. Dragonlance sorcerers may have been born with an affinity for magic, but many are as likely to become sorcerers as they are wizards, and many do not develop their talents at magic at all. It isn't in the blood, in other words - being born with the knack for magic is like being born with an eye for art. You can squander it, you can study at Julliard and become a performer or famous artist, or you can take up needlework on your own time.

During the Age of Mortals, when the gods were absent, many wizards who had lost their connection to the Moons turned to the newly recovered wild magic of sorcery to replace it. When the gods returned with the War of Souls, many sorcerers have now looked to embrace the magic of wizards instead. If a sorcerer decided that he wanted to have the Gods of Magic as his patrons, he would be capable of switching over, making it that much easier for him to avoid the status of renegade.

Cheers,
Cam
#3
Charles_Phipps
Feb 11, 2004 19:01:54 Sorcery isn't inborn on Krynn unfortunately. At least not to the point that you can't simply with the "Sight" (like Raistlin's mother) study magic.

Developing your gift however is developing magic not from the Three Moons.

It's sort of like "Is someone not born to a Christian household and raised Muslim going to be considered damned by Fundementalist Christians?"

Its a perhaps overly serious statement but it reflects the blind unreasoning hatred that some feel for sorcerers (and most I imagine are just disliking them or don't even care since THEY were sorcerers)

But suffice to say the gods of magic will never accept it seems a sorcerer into the Orders of High Sorcery (ironic) unless the DM says otherwise (house rule)

Suffice to say though aside from much bias, if he's advanced enough in wizardry to take the Test I imagine his sorcery would just become a "shameful secret"

(and secret edge)

I give all sorcerers when the gods return ephiphanies though and ask them whether they switch over their sorcery levels to wizardry or not
#4
zombiegleemax
Feb 11, 2004 20:01:58 So, even if a character devotes himself to wizardly magic moreso, and has more levels in it than sorc levels, he will be a Renegade?
#5
zombiegleemax
Feb 11, 2004 20:21:59 Well...according to the DL rules, one cannot practice primal sorcery and High Sorcery at the same time....you are either a sorcerer or a renegade....If a character who has sorcerer levels decides that he wants to practice High Sorcery he must have an epiphany, after that his sorcerer levels change to wizard levels.
#6
Dragonhelm
Feb 11, 2004 20:24:39
Originally posted by EmperorYan
So, even if a character devotes himself to wizardly magic moreso, and has more levels in it than sorc levels, he will be a Renegade?

Technically, you can't be a wizard/sorcerer (see sidebar on Changing Focus in the DLCS). You may wish to search the boards for other various discussions on the issue.

Now, if you're going by house rules where you could be a wizard/sorcerer, I would do just as you say and keep the combined wizard/WoHS levels higher than any sorcerer/bard levels.

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#1 zombiegleemax Feb 11, 2004 16:19:24	A Sorceror is someone who is born with that ability, not a fault of thier own. What I want to know is, would a character who is born with the abilities of a Sorc, who chooses to study Magic (As a Wizard) be considered a Renegade? I'm thinking that the eventual character will probably become a 25/15 Wiz/Sorc... Is there a problem? Or would a problem only happen if the Sorc levels were greater than the Wiz levels?
#2 cam_banks Feb 11, 2004 19:00:31	Originally posted by EmperorYan A Sorceror is someone who is born with that ability, not a fault of thier own. While the above might be true in some campaign settings, it isn't for Dragonlance. Dragonlance sorcerers may have been born with an affinity for magic, but many are as likely to become sorcerers as they are wizards, and many do not develop their talents at magic at all. It isn't in the blood, in other words - being born with the knack for magic is like being born with an eye for art. You can squander it, you can study at Julliard and become a performer or famous artist, or you can take up needlework on your own time. During the Age of Mortals, when the gods were absent, many wizards who had lost their connection to the Moons turned to the newly recovered wild magic of sorcery to replace it. When the gods returned with the War of Souls, many sorcerers have now looked to embrace the magic of wizards instead. If a sorcerer decided that he wanted to have the Gods of Magic as his patrons, he would be capable of switching over, making it that much easier for him to avoid the status of renegade. Cheers, Cam
#3 Charles_Phipps Feb 11, 2004 19:01:54	Sorcery isn't inborn on Krynn unfortunately. At least not to the point that you can't simply with the "Sight" (like Raistlin's mother) study magic. Developing your gift however is developing magic not from the Three Moons. It's sort of like "Is someone not born to a Christian household and raised Muslim going to be considered damned by Fundementalist Christians?" Its a perhaps overly serious statement but it reflects the blind unreasoning hatred that some feel for sorcerers (and most I imagine are just disliking them or don't even care since THEY were sorcerers) But suffice to say the gods of magic will never accept it seems a sorcerer into the Orders of High Sorcery (ironic) unless the DM says otherwise (house rule) Suffice to say though aside from much bias, if he's advanced enough in wizardry to take the Test I imagine his sorcery would just become a "shameful secret" (and secret edge) I give all sorcerers when the gods return ephiphanies though and ask them whether they switch over their sorcery levels to wizardry or not
#4 zombiegleemax Feb 11, 2004 20:01:58	So, even if a character devotes himself to wizardly magic moreso, and has more levels in it than sorc levels, he will be a Renegade?
#5 zombiegleemax Feb 11, 2004 20:21:59	Well...according to the DL rules, one cannot practice primal sorcery and High Sorcery at the same time....you are either a sorcerer or a renegade....If a character who has sorcerer levels decides that he wants to practice High Sorcery he must have an epiphany, after that his sorcerer levels change to wizard levels.
#6 Dragonhelm Feb 11, 2004 20:24:39	Originally posted by EmperorYan So, even if a character devotes himself to wizardly magic moreso, and has more levels in it than sorc levels, he will be a Renegade? Technically, you can't be a wizard/sorcerer (see sidebar on Changing Focus in the DLCS). You may wish to search the boards for other various discussions on the issue. Now, if you're going by house rules where you could be a wizard/sorcerer, I would do just as you say and keep the combined wizard/WoHS levels higher than any sorcerer/bard levels.