Originally posted by SweetMeats
Sometime, way way in the future, after we get a Taladas sourcebook any chance that could see a book about the continent where the Tarmak come from?
One of the old supplementary books hinted at the homeland's location. Mentioned in Ariakas' notes. (can't remember, it was one of 3 books, either "Leaves from the Inn of the Last Home", "More Leaves...", or "History of Dragonlance") Either way, following his notes, and the relative speed and distance they would have covered gives a pretty good estimate where the land is located, even though I have yet to actually try and plot it
I agree though, it would be nice to have this resource in the future. It looks like SP is struggling with what they currently have, so we might have to wait awhile though.
I'll try to look, but since I don't have it personally it will take some time.
Im not sure what kind of license SP has but I think their current products prolly push them to 2006, a long way off.
Originally posted by Voiceman
Does anybody know if there is any hint about the brutus in "the time of the dragon" - boxed set? (although I was made years before summer flame)
I'll try to look, but since I don't have it personally it will take some time.
Theres nothing that that I can remember that would point to the Tarmak.
As for the other hinted at lands, the Dragon Isles, it has been said that they are NE of the continent, in the Turbidus Ocean (according to "Dragon Isles" by Stephen Sullivan). Sailing northeast until losing site of land, then travel east for 2 days. This one is a little trickier, but given how long they would be travelling, and the general direction, I'd guess the Dragon Isles are located NE of Northern Ergoth, maybe around 200 miles off the coast or so. These are just guesses though. ;)
Originally posted by frostdawn
Does this sound feasible guys?
Seems good, though maybe this continent is just near those isles. I can't remember if much has been said of the indigineous humanoid population there.
-Drachasor
Originally posted by Drachasor
Seems good, though maybe this continent is just near those isles. I can't remember if much has been said of the indigineous humanoid population there.
-Drachasor
For the Tarmak continent, there were originally 3 tribes or groups. The Tarmak had defeated and assimilated the other groups into thier own, so the Tarmak were basically all there was on their island, and being that they were warriors who had defeated all their present enemies, they were eager for battle. Ariakan arrived at a very opportune time thanks to the assistance of the evil gods.
As for the Dragon Isles, that is the home of the metallic dragons, and a few settlements of mixed races that live in harmony with the dragons. It is said only those who are invited by the dragons, or whose home are the dragon isles will find the way to the islands. All others will either never reach the isles, die trying, or if they do reach the isles barring all other situations, are EXTREMELY lucky. I apologize in advance if referring to a novel is a "no no", but "Dragon Isles" by Stephen Sullivan, if considered canon, actually provided a map of the isles, and described the indiginous people of each of the major islands. Also provided the main characters a means with which to access the Isles whereas they would have failed otherwise (a certain artifact)
Originally posted by frostdawn
Well, I got bored and curious this weekend, and tried to plot out about where the Continent of the Tarmaks might be. Ariakan's notes said they were caught in gale force winds and travelled for about 33 days before the winds stopped and they found the continent. I was going with the idea that Ariakan was sailing a warship, and for argument's sake given the ship, possible misdirection due to the storm (waves and what not) and that they most likely wouldn't have set sail the entire time during the storm, we'll say they travelled about 50 miles a day. They were headed toward the minotaur isles when this happened, so they travelled roughly 1600 miles or so east of the minotaur isles.
Hey, since my aforementioned players are soon to be going to Ansalon, about how long do you think it would take them, without the help of a god? I was thinking somewhere around 6 months, does that sound about right?
Originally posted by SweetMeats
Unless I'm very mistaken, the Tales of the Lance box set placed the Dragon Isles just north of Ansalon, although they were hidden from most people.
That sounds about right. The description of the Dragon Isles' location is NE of the main land masses of Ansalon. Perhaps more north than east. ;)
Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007
Hey, since my aforementioned players are soon to be going to Ansalon, about how long do you think it would take them, without the help of a god? I was thinking somewhere around 6 months, does that sound about right?
Where are they coming from? The Players Handbook lists different travel speeds for different types of transportation. I think it's pg 162.
Originally posted by frostdawn
Where are they coming from? The Players Handbook lists different travel speeds for different types of transportation. I think it's pg 162.
Parts unknown. A third continent, I suppose.
-Drachasor
Originally posted by Drachasor
Parts unknown. A third continent, I suppose.
-Drachasor
Hmm, a sailing ship can travel roughly 48 miles in a day. A warship can travel about 60. A scale for distance is on the maps. I think the maelstrom is roughly 600-900 miles wide, so travel from one side to the other in post War of Souls, without any battles or inclement weather, etc should take roughly 18 days or so for a sailing ship, and about 15 days for a warship. That should give you a rough idea of scale.
Originally posted by frostdawn
Hmm, a sailing ship can travel roughly 48 miles in a day. A warship can travel about 60. A scale for distance is on the maps. I think the maelstrom is roughly 600-900 miles wide, so travel from one side to the other in post War of Souls, without any battles or inclement weather, etc should take roughly 18 days or so for a sailing ship, and about 15 days for a warship. That should give you a rough idea of scale.
Keep in mind there are roughly two different scales used concerning Ansalon.
Most of the 2nd edition Dragonlance roleplaying products as well as the 3rd edition material uses the "Ansalon is small" scale where Ansalon measures roughly 1300 miles east to west.
The map in More Leaves from the Inn of the Last Home and all the SAGA products use the "Ansalon is large" scale where the continent measures roughly 4000 miles east to west.
The Blood Sea of Istar is only 230 miles wide using the former scale.
Frostdawn: You said that Ariakan was traveling for the minotaur isles when they were caught in the storm that swept them to the Brutes' homeland. From where was Ariakan traveling? Storm's Keep? Where was he exactly when the storm hit his ship?
Originally posted by frostdawn
Where are they coming from? The Players Handbook lists different travel speeds for different types of transportation. I think it's pg 162.
Alright...they're in a galley(piloted by the best minotaur sailors there, a gift from Sargonnas after helping him punish Hiddukel for insulting him by torturing and killing a couple of his clerics, if that makes a difference), and the map looks something like this:
*############*#########################*
The first asterisk is where they're setting sail, the second Tarmak-Land(The Happiest Place on Krynn!), the third Ansalon, and the number signs are the spaces(it wouldn't show up right just hitting the spacebar.).
Originally posted by iltharanos
Keep in mind there are roughly two different scales used concerning Ansalon.
Most of the 2nd edition Dragonlance roleplaying products as well as the 3rd edition material uses the "Ansalon is small" scale where Ansalon measures roughly 1300 miles east to west.
The map in More Leaves from the Inn of the Last Home and all the SAGA products use the "Ansalon is large" scale where the continent measures roughly 4000 miles east to west.
The Blood Sea of Istar is only 230 miles wide using the former scale.
Frostdawn: You said that Ariakan was traveling for the minotaur isles when they were caught in the storm that swept them to the Brutes' homeland. From where was Ariakan traveling? Storm's Keep? Where was he exactly when the storm hit his ship?
Hmm, good point regarding the different scales. The distances I guesstimated were using the large scale. It looks like the smaller scale is roughly 1/3 the size of the larger Ansalon, so you can reduce the distances by about a third. As for the guesstimate on the distance to the the Tarmak lands, taking into account the different scales of Ansalon, it would still be roughly 1500 miles or so east of known waters (minotaur isles) unless Ariakan's notes are to be reinterpreted for the difference in scale as well. (not to mention the average travelling speed of what was likely the type of boat they were on)
As for my assuming that they started near the minotaur isles, his notes say he found the Tarmak lands after the storm took them so far to the east in the Courrain Ocean, that they were off the minotaur maps they were using. The minotaur isles are the eastern most lands of the known world, so that's where I got that idea. The notes don't say where he started from though. Wasn't Storm's Keep Ariakas' base, and after Ariakan's time? (Ariakas being Ariakan and Zeboim's son)
Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007
Alright...they're in a galley(piloted by the best minotaur sailors there, a gift from Sargonnas after helping him punish Hiddukel for insulting him by torturing and killing a couple of his clerics, if that makes a difference), and the map looks something like this:
*############*#########################*
The first asterisk is where they're setting sail, the second Tarmak-Land(The Happiest Place on Krynn!), the third Ansalon, and the number signs are the spaces(it wouldn't show up right just hitting the spacebar.).
A galley is the fastest ship listed in the player's handbook, so to be travelling 6 months, you need to be waaaaaaaaay far away from Ansalon. I'm not sure how large the planet of Krynn is, but it's conceivable that you could travel that long. I mean, we only know about the main land mass, and rumors about other smaller land masses (like the Tarmaks and Dragon Isles). There could be a whole other huge continent just as large or larger than Ansalon that no one know about yet. Who knows?
I think the galley travels about 4 miles an hour, or 96 miles a day. In 6 months, at that speed you could conceivably travel over 17,000 miles or about 10 times the distance of the Tarmak lands to Ansalon. The big question is, if you are travelling that far for that long, what is the crew using for supplies, such as food and water?
Originally posted by frostdawn
Hmm, good point regarding the different scales. The distances I guesstimated were using the large scale. It looks like the smaller scale is roughly 1/3 the size of the larger Ansalon, so you can reduce the distances by about a third. As for the guesstimate on the distance to the the Tarmak lands, taking into account the different scales of Ansalon, it would still be roughly 1500 miles or so east of known waters (minotaur isles) unless Ariakan's notes are to be reinterpreted for the difference in scale as well. (not to mention the average travelling speed of what was likely the type of boat they were on)
As for my assuming that they started near the minotaur isles, his notes say he found the Tarmak lands after the storm took them so far to the east in the Courrain Ocean, that they were off the minotaur maps they were using. The minotaur isles are the eastern most lands of the known world, so that's where I got that idea. The notes don't say where he started from though. Wasn't Storm's Keep Ariakas' base, and after Ariakan's time? (Ariakas being Ariakan and Zeboim's son)
Storm's Keep was the headquarters of the Knights of Takhisis.
Ariakan (son of Ariakas the Dragon Emperor and Zeboim), had it built as the KoT's fortress of solitude.
Man, I really need to get a copy of Leaves.
And, I think maybe some hard numbers are now in order...we are approximately 533 miles from Tarmak land.
Originally posted by iltharanos
Storm's Keep was the headquarters of the Knights of Takhisis.
Ariakan (son of Ariakas the Dragon Emperor and Zeboim), had it built as the KoT's fortress of solitude.
Man, I really need to get a copy of Leaves.
Yup that's about right. I always get Ariakas and Ariakan mixed up. Rassum frassum nearly identical names, grumble grumble. ;)
The diary entries I got the info from actually came from the "The History of Dragonlance", but I do recommend all 3 books as they each offer some pretty neat info.
Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007
Well, you see, we are being helped out by Sargonnas, so he will sned us supplies via flocks of condors, since he has no sway over the wind.
And, I think maybe some hard numbers are now in order...we are approximately 533 miles from Tarmak land.
It may not be too bad after all, if your about another 500 miles out from the Tarmaks. With a galley in optimal conditions, you could travel from your point of origin, pass the Tarmaks, and hit Ansalon in around 20 odd days. If you want the journey to take a little longer, maybe grant the group a slightly smaller, less "all inclusives" ship.
Also, I've always thought of Ariakan taking a small fleet of ships, considering the Tarmak he brought with him were pretty much going to be the only ones he was gonna get, and he had a lot.
Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007
Or maybe just bad winds.
Also, I've always thought of Ariakan taking a small fleet of ships, considering the Tarmak he brought with him were pretty much going to be the only ones he was gonna get, and he had a lot.
Yeah, that part of his notes was weird. He only ever mentioned his ship, not a fleet, and after he first encountered the Tarmak, they (Tarmak) killed all but him and about 11 of his crew. I guess the Tarmak must have used their own ships to get back to Ansalon.
Also, for your group, unless the crew knows exactly where to go to get to Ansalon, they could stay out to sea for a longer period of time trying to interpret the will of Sargonnas or what have you, until they find the way.