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#1
zombiegleemax
Feb 15, 2004 21:51:47 I just recently came back to dragonlance..having been away from all RP games and novels for some time..and noticed that alot of the latter 2e stuff included sega rules. What exactly is SEGA?
#2
theredrobedwizard
Feb 15, 2004 22:07:39 Actually, it's SAGA, not SEGA. It was a system based on cards. Never played much of it, but what I did play was still based loosely on 2ndEd. Not that much fun.

Some will disagree with me, however. It was a 5th age setting, THE 5th age setting, actually.

-TRRW
#3
talinthas
Feb 16, 2004 0:39:44 SEGA, or Service Games, was a company founded by an american expatriot to japan. Over the course of years, it became a company known for making amusement machines before entering the home market with the SEGA Master System, an 8-bit machine competing with the Family Computer put out by Nintendo. Over the years, they developed a reputation for making incredibly streamlined games with recognizable mascots such as Sonic the Hedgehog.

With the dissapointing sales of the Dreamcast, SEGA left the console market to concentrate on making home games for crossplatform systems. Currently, they are in negotiations for a merger with arcade and pachinko giant SAMMY, but their future in the video game market seems assured, and their legacy will be forever remembered.

but what exactly did this have to do with dragonlance?
#4
Dragonhelm
Feb 16, 2004 9:20:18
Originally posted by talinthas
but what exactly did this have to do with dragonlance?

I just knew that somebody had to go down this road. ;)
#5
talinthas
Feb 16, 2004 14:10:45 sorry trampas, but it put me into such a giggle frenzy that i had to =)
#6
brimstone
Feb 17, 2004 9:31:17 I think that had to be the longest smart *** remark I've seen on these boards.

Command me, oh master. :D
#7
rath_the_ranger
Feb 18, 2004 15:05:32
Originally posted by Brimstone
I think that had to be the longest smart *** remark I've seen on these boards.

Command me, oh master. :D

HAHAHAHAHA Too funny, Tobin :D
#8
zombiegleemax
Feb 19, 2004 9:56:35 The whole point of the SAGA systems was to give Dragonlance it's own gaming systems in the 5th age. Because already back then TSR's gaming worlds were experiencing the first seeds of mainstreaming. (and isn't wasn't going too great financially)

(and maybe also to compete a little with magic, now that spelljammer wasn't selling anymore)

Also it was an experiment, where they to find a replacemnt for the dice, as the random generator. The replacment was, draw a card.

thats the way I see it.
Some of the products were great though.
#9
baron_the_curse
Feb 19, 2004 13:30:46 Since SAGA is long out of print you can find the rules free online. Just do a search of your interested. I would also recommed finding some of the Fifth Age box sets in out of print stores. They where essential in detailing Ansalon in the Fifth Age. Great quality.
#10
brimstone
Feb 19, 2004 13:43:29 Also, Margaret said at one time (I think on the DL-L) that part of the reasoning (or at least a back burning thought) for why Dragonlance gaming could no longer be Dungeons and Dragons was because TSR had just sold the rights to make a Dungeons and Dragons movie to some young upstart (I think we all know who is being referred to here). And, because DL was D&D...it was free game if they wanted to. So, in order to protect it (because there has always been talk about doing a good high budget DL film) they made it a new game.

Now it sounds like to me that DL was no longer AD&D because it wasn't selling anymore. But with the advent of the 5th Age, they wanted to bring it back into gaming...but the stipulation was, "It canNOT be AD&D." And it sounds like part of the reason was to protect it from the crap that was the D&D movie.
#11
baron_the_curse
Feb 19, 2004 14:04:24 To say Dungeon and Dragons the Movie was crap is to insult films that have earn that title. Yes Highlander II was crap but not in the same way. This movie was so bad I was inspire to drop the hobby, it felt tainted afterwards. Yet, somehow I keep hearing rumors that a sequel is in the works....
#12
brimstone
Feb 19, 2004 14:10:09
Originally posted by Baron the Curse
Yet, somehow I keep hearing rumors that a sequel is in the works....

I've heard the same rumors.

It doesn't bother me so much. I read the book...the story is there...it just needs a real director to take the reigns.
#13
zombiegleemax
Feb 19, 2004 14:44:58
Since SAGA is long out of print you can find the rules free online. Just do a search of your interested. I would also recommed finding some of the Fifth Age box sets in out of print stores. They where essential in detailing Ansalon in the Fifth Age. Great quality.

I agree. I have never played SAGA 5th age. I don't know the rules, but I still bought three of the "heroes of...." supplements. They are great as reference material.
I got for about 6-8$ each. (we have a 25% VAT of books over here)

It doesn't bother me so much. I read the book...the story is there...it just needs a real director to take the reigns.

Really???

The way the story was told in the movie sounded so cliché to me.
There were two things I liked though, the whole idea of a magocracy (sp?) where the ruling power and divided between the mage (counsel) and the royal family, it opens up for a whole lot of intrigue.

Secondly I liked Bruce Payne as the black mage's right hand.
But the script was bad, and when they finally were about to make some drama, and Payne (name?) told them about how Jeremy Irons (name?) had a hold on him and all that, They just killed him. JUST KILLED HIM, where did the drama go?

(we took the drama to the street and internet boards:D )
#14
zombiegleemax
Feb 19, 2004 19:18:26
Originally posted by Brimstone
I've heard the same rumors.

It doesn't bother me so much. I read the book...the story is there...it just needs a real director to take the reigns.

I have also read the book, and I must say that I liked it. It was cool, and it made sense, unlike the movie. It had a real ending, not the ending given to the movie which makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever.

Also, I've heard about the sequel, but it's less of a sequel then a totally different movie, I think.
#15
silvanthalas
Feb 19, 2004 20:47:50
Originally posted by Baron the Curse
Yet, somehow I keep hearing rumors that a sequel is in the works....

Last I heard (a year ago) was that Joel Silver, the producer of the Matrix films, wanted to do a D&D sequel.
#16
zombiegleemax
Feb 21, 2004 15:35:28 A D&D film or A D&D sequel ???
#17
silvanthalas
Feb 22, 2004 22:12:11
Originally posted by Voiceman
A D&D film or A D&D sequel ???

I suppose a "D&D film" would be a better way of terming it.

Most people might see it as a sequel regardless though.
#18
baron_the_curse
Mar 09, 2004 23:04:18 I have to say the most amusing thing about the D&D movie was all the “praises” Dragon Magazine gave the movie while it was being promoted. The writers knew the movie was crap but issue after issue they had to pat the director on the back and praise Mr. Iron’s genius work. Funny stuff.

As for Joel Silver that would be interesting I guess for a D&D movie but how many of you will cringe at the image of Tanis in Bullet-Time as he dodges magic missiles (I know they always hit, just an example). Nothing short of the attention that was given to Lord the Rings will do a Dragonlance movie justice.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Feb 15, 2004 21:51:47	I just recently came back to dragonlance..having been away from all RP games and novels for some time..and noticed that alot of the latter 2e stuff included sega rules. What exactly is SEGA?
#2 theredrobedwizard Feb 15, 2004 22:07:39	Actually, it's SAGA, not SEGA. It was a system based on cards. Never played much of it, but what I did play was still based loosely on 2ndEd. Not that much fun. Some will disagree with me, however. It was a 5th age setting, THE 5th age setting, actually. -TRRW
#3 talinthas Feb 16, 2004 0:39:44	SEGA, or Service Games, was a company founded by an american expatriot to japan. Over the course of years, it became a company known for making amusement machines before entering the home market with the SEGA Master System, an 8-bit machine competing with the Family Computer put out by Nintendo. Over the years, they developed a reputation for making incredibly streamlined games with recognizable mascots such as Sonic the Hedgehog. With the dissapointing sales of the Dreamcast, SEGA left the console market to concentrate on making home games for crossplatform systems. Currently, they are in negotiations for a merger with arcade and pachinko giant SAMMY, but their future in the video game market seems assured, and their legacy will be forever remembered. but what exactly did this have to do with dragonlance?
#4 Dragonhelm Feb 16, 2004 9:20:18	Originally posted by talinthas but what exactly did this have to do with dragonlance? I just knew that somebody had to go down this road. ;)
#5 talinthas Feb 16, 2004 14:10:45	sorry trampas, but it put me into such a giggle frenzy that i had to =)
#6 brimstone Feb 17, 2004 9:31:17	I think that had to be the longest smart *** remark I've seen on these boards. Command me, oh master. :D
#7 rath_the_ranger Feb 18, 2004 15:05:32	Originally posted by Brimstone I think that had to be the longest smart *** remark I've seen on these boards. Command me, oh master. :D HAHAHAHAHA Too funny, Tobin :D
#8 zombiegleemax Feb 19, 2004 9:56:35	The whole point of the SAGA systems was to give Dragonlance it's own gaming systems in the 5th age. Because already back then TSR's gaming worlds were experiencing the first seeds of mainstreaming. (and isn't wasn't going too great financially) (and maybe also to compete a little with magic, now that spelljammer wasn't selling anymore) Also it was an experiment, where they to find a replacemnt for the dice, as the random generator. The replacment was, draw a card. thats the way I see it. Some of the products were great though.
#9 baron_the_curse Feb 19, 2004 13:30:46	Since SAGA is long out of print you can find the rules free online. Just do a search of your interested. I would also recommed finding some of the Fifth Age box sets in out of print stores. They where essential in detailing Ansalon in the Fifth Age. Great quality.
#10 brimstone Feb 19, 2004 13:43:29	Also, Margaret said at one time (I think on the DL-L) that part of the reasoning (or at least a back burning thought) for why Dragonlance gaming could no longer be Dungeons and Dragons was because TSR had just sold the rights to make a Dungeons and Dragons movie to some young upstart (I think we all know who is being referred to here). And, because DL was D&D...it was free game if they wanted to. So, in order to protect it (because there has always been talk about doing a good high budget DL film) they made it a new game. Now it sounds like to me that DL was no longer AD&D because it wasn't selling anymore. But with the advent of the 5th Age, they wanted to bring it back into gaming...but the stipulation was, "It canNOT be AD&D." And it sounds like part of the reason was to protect it from the crap that was the D&D movie.
#11 baron_the_curse Feb 19, 2004 14:04:24	To say Dungeon and Dragons the Movie was crap is to insult films that have earn that title. Yes Highlander II was crap but not in the same way. This movie was so bad I was inspire to drop the hobby, it felt tainted afterwards. Yet, somehow I keep hearing rumors that a sequel is in the works....
#12 brimstone Feb 19, 2004 14:10:09	Originally posted by Baron the Curse Yet, somehow I keep hearing rumors that a sequel is in the works.... I've heard the same rumors. It doesn't bother me so much. I read the book...the story is there...it just needs a real director to take the reigns.
#13 zombiegleemax Feb 19, 2004 14:44:58	Since SAGA is long out of print you can find the rules free online. Just do a search of your interested. I would also recommed finding some of the Fifth Age box sets in out of print stores. They where essential in detailing Ansalon in the Fifth Age. Great quality. I agree. I have never played SAGA 5th age. I don't know the rules, but I still bought three of the "heroes of...." supplements. They are great as reference material. I got for about 6-8$ each. (we have a 25% VAT of books over here) It doesn't bother me so much. I read the book...the story is there...it just needs a real director to take the reigns. Really??? The way the story was told in the movie sounded so cliché to me. There were two things I liked though, the whole idea of a magocracy (sp?) where the ruling power and divided between the mage (counsel) and the royal family, it opens up for a whole lot of intrigue. Secondly I liked Bruce Payne as the black mage's right hand. But the script was bad, and when they finally were about to make some drama, and Payne (name?) told them about how Jeremy Irons (name?) had a hold on him and all that, They just killed him. JUST KILLED HIM, where did the drama go? (we took the drama to the street and internet boards:D )
#14 zombiegleemax Feb 19, 2004 19:18:26	Originally posted by Brimstone I've heard the same rumors. It doesn't bother me so much. I read the book...the story is there...it just needs a real director to take the reigns. I have also read the book, and I must say that I liked it. It was cool, and it made sense, unlike the movie. It had a real ending, not the ending given to the movie which makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever. Also, I've heard about the sequel, but it's less of a sequel then a totally different movie, I think.
#15 silvanthalas Feb 19, 2004 20:47:50	Originally posted by Baron the Curse Yet, somehow I keep hearing rumors that a sequel is in the works.... Last I heard (a year ago) was that Joel Silver, the producer of the Matrix films, wanted to do a D&D sequel.
#16 zombiegleemax Feb 21, 2004 15:35:28	A D&D film or A D&D sequel ???
#17 silvanthalas Feb 22, 2004 22:12:11	Originally posted by Voiceman A D&D film or A D&D sequel ??? I suppose a "D&D film" would be a better way of terming it. Most people might see it as a sequel regardless though.
#18 baron_the_curse Mar 09, 2004 23:04:18	I have to say the most amusing thing about the D&D movie was all the “praises” Dragon Magazine gave the movie while it was being promoted. The writers knew the movie was crap but issue after issue they had to pat the director on the back and praise Mr. Iron’s genius work. Funny stuff. As for Joel Silver that would be interesting I guess for a D&D movie but how many of you will cringe at the image of Tanis in Bullet-Time as he dodges magic missiles (I know they always hit, just an example). Nothing short of the attention that was given to Lord the Rings will do a Dragonlance movie justice.