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Porthios-lost elven prince

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#1
zombiegleemax
Feb 18, 2004 16:49:25 The various Dragonlance novels and games give very different accounts of the fate of the elven prince Porthios. According to one version (used in The Puppet KIng, The Lioness, and Bertrem's Guide to the War of Souls ) Porthios is apparently slain in the Chaos War, fighting a fire dragon, but is rumoured to have survived, horribly scarred and disfigured. In Dragons of a Fallen Sun, however, he is active at a much later date, at the time of Beryl's occupation of Qualinesti and the Silvanesti shield, but disappears shortly before the War of Souls. Doubtless his true fate will be made clear in future publications, but does anyone know which version is official?
#2
Nived
Feb 18, 2004 19:00:30 The Shadow Knows!

But seriously, no one seems to know what the true deal with Porthios is, too bad he wasn't around to smack some sense into his son though.
#3
frostdawn
Feb 19, 2004 9:10:33 With her son gone, and no desire to rule anymore, I think Alhanna and Samar have gone looking for him, so rumors of his survival are getting around. I seem to remember this from somewhere, but I may be wrong.

Last I heard, Porthios was horribly scarred, but alive.
#4
zombiegleemax
Feb 19, 2004 9:21:57 I always asumed that he would turn up at the end of the war of souls, but appearently not.
I guess that some new novels will detail wheter he is dead, or he's coming back.

he could already be engaged in fighting for the elven lands in qualanesti without us even knowing about it.
#5
zombiegleemax
Feb 19, 2004 18:23:06 I think all that is known of Porthios is that he is alive, as Mina said he was.
#6
zombiegleemax
Feb 19, 2004 21:24:17 Whats up with all the elven princes going on hiatas. They just disappear from the face of the planet when their race is getting the hardest hit... They better come out and reclaim the elves lost glory!
#7
Nived
Feb 19, 2004 23:24:21 Technically isn't he King? I mean sure his Nephew and Son have been declared Kings since he's gone underground... but he was King.
#8
quentingeorge
Feb 20, 2004 0:09:15 Technically isn't he King? I mean sure his Nephew and Son have been declared Kings since he's gone underground... but he was King.

Yeah, technically he is still the true Speaker of the Sun, even though the Qualinesti senate disowned him, as he didn't "willingly" give up the Speaker's medallion.

The 5th Age campaign setting states he's not too fond of his nephew Gilthas, either. (He considers him a 'traitor')

He might have mellowed, but probably not. Especially seeing as how his son is now dead.
#9
zombiegleemax
Feb 20, 2004 7:26:11 Technically, Porthios did "willingly" give up the Medallion of the Sun, although Rashas had theatened to kill his wife: otherwise the magic of the medallion would not have operated. Gilthas, therefore, is the true king.
#10
zombiegleemax
Feb 21, 2004 15:33:58 But That doesn't mean that he has given up his quest. To unite the elven people.
I expect we will see more of both him and Alhana in the future.

With goblins floating into quelanesti and a elven <-> minotaur war at hand in Silvanesti, the shattered people need a leader.
A lot can happen...
#11
quentingeorge
Feb 21, 2004 18:09:14 Gilthas, therefore, is the true king.

I doubt Porthios sees it like that though.

He "willingly" gave it up only in the sense if he didn't. his wife and unborn child would have born murderered.

Not much of a choice, now?
#12
Charles_Phipps
Feb 21, 2004 18:29:32 There seems to be no proviso for durass, Porthios would be hard pressed to regain his throne from Gilthas. However a half-Kagonesti Heir to the throne with human blood mixed with the fact Gilthas is probably hated by alot of people might mean a great deal
#13
gforce99
Feb 23, 2004 7:59:23 Any ideas if the Minotaur or Disciple trilogies will deal with elven politics or the fate of the elves in general?
#14
zombiegleemax
Feb 23, 2004 16:30:26 I have very little idea of this. I suppose that, since the minotaurs seek the domination of all Ansalon, the Solamnic Knights will end up fighting alongside the elves against the minotaurs (despite their present apparent reluctance to do this). Also, I have heard that in the Disciple trilogy Mina will seek vengeance against the elves.
#15
zombiegleemax
Mar 03, 2004 15:44:14 There has also been news of a new Dhamon Grinwulf novel called Lake of Death out in the third quarter of 2004, which presumably deals with the situation in Qualinesti after the War of Souls
#16
gforce99
Mar 04, 2004 6:16:50 Would Gilthas be considered the King of the Elves (both Silvanesti and Quanesti) with Silvanoesti gone?
#17
silvanthalas
Mar 04, 2004 8:39:26
Originally posted by GFORCE99
Would Gilthas be considered the King of the Elves (both Silvanesti and Quanesti) with Silvanoesti gone?

It seems possible that with Silvanoshei out of the way, Gilthas could become Speaker of the Sun and Stars, like Silvanoshei was supposed to become.

But, there are still Qualinesti that don't want Gilthas as their Speaker. And the Silvanesti would be even more (I have no word for what was originally censored here, but it involved being retentative) about it.
#18
zombiegleemax
Mar 04, 2004 13:01:08 Currently, Gilthas is considered king of both Qualinesti and Silvanesti, although both kingdoms are occupied; however, Kiryn, Sivanoshei's cousin on the Silvanesti side, would seem to have a better claim to Silvanesti.
#19
zombiegleemax
Mar 06, 2004 10:59:46
Originally posted by frostdawn
With her son gone, and no desire to rule anymore, I think Alhanna and Samar have gone looking for him, so rumors of his survival are getting around. I seem to remember this from somewhere, but I may be wrong.

Last I heard, Porthios was horribly scarred, but alive.

Wasn't he scarred and burned and taken by the Kagonesti who told him that he now didn't belong to his people anymore or something like that?
#20
zombiegleemax
Mar 07, 2004 16:42:59 That is one version of the story, but the other one, recorded in Dragons of A Fallen Sun, says that he continued or resumed the fight for Qualinesti together with his wife and son and other Qualinesti and Silvanesti elves, but disappeared much later and in very different circumstances: that is the point that I am making; there appears to be a contradiction in the records. Maybe he was healed of his deformity by Goldmoon and then disappeared a second time, but it seems that two different, although similar, versions of the legend of his disappearance exist.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Feb 18, 2004 16:49:25	The various Dragonlance novels and games give very different accounts of the fate of the elven prince Porthios. According to one version (used in The Puppet KIng, The Lioness, and Bertrem's Guide to the War of Souls ) Porthios is apparently slain in the Chaos War, fighting a fire dragon, but is rumoured to have survived, horribly scarred and disfigured. In Dragons of a Fallen Sun, however, he is active at a much later date, at the time of Beryl's occupation of Qualinesti and the Silvanesti shield, but disappears shortly before the War of Souls. Doubtless his true fate will be made clear in future publications, but does anyone know which version is official?
#2 Nived Feb 18, 2004 19:00:30	The Shadow Knows! But seriously, no one seems to know what the true deal with Porthios is, too bad he wasn't around to smack some sense into his son though.
#3 frostdawn Feb 19, 2004 9:10:33	With her son gone, and no desire to rule anymore, I think Alhanna and Samar have gone looking for him, so rumors of his survival are getting around. I seem to remember this from somewhere, but I may be wrong. Last I heard, Porthios was horribly scarred, but alive.
#4 zombiegleemax Feb 19, 2004 9:21:57	I always asumed that he would turn up at the end of the war of souls, but appearently not. I guess that some new novels will detail wheter he is dead, or he's coming back. he could already be engaged in fighting for the elven lands in qualanesti without us even knowing about it.
#5 zombiegleemax Feb 19, 2004 18:23:06	I think all that is known of Porthios is that he is alive, as Mina said he was.
#6 zombiegleemax Feb 19, 2004 21:24:17	Whats up with all the elven princes going on hiatas. They just disappear from the face of the planet when their race is getting the hardest hit... They better come out and reclaim the elves lost glory!
#7 Nived Feb 19, 2004 23:24:21	Technically isn't he King? I mean sure his Nephew and Son have been declared Kings since he's gone underground... but he was King.
#8 quentingeorge Feb 20, 2004 0:09:15	Technically isn't he King? I mean sure his Nephew and Son have been declared Kings since he's gone underground... but he was King. Yeah, technically he is still the true Speaker of the Sun, even though the Qualinesti senate disowned him, as he didn't "willingly" give up the Speaker's medallion. The 5th Age campaign setting states he's not too fond of his nephew Gilthas, either. (He considers him a 'traitor') He might have mellowed, but probably not. Especially seeing as how his son is now dead.
#9 zombiegleemax Feb 20, 2004 7:26:11	Technically, Porthios did "willingly" give up the Medallion of the Sun, although Rashas had theatened to kill his wife: otherwise the magic of the medallion would not have operated. Gilthas, therefore, is the true king.
#10 zombiegleemax Feb 21, 2004 15:33:58	But That doesn't mean that he has given up his quest. To unite the elven people. I expect we will see more of both him and Alhana in the future. With goblins floating into quelanesti and a elven <-> minotaur war at hand in Silvanesti, the shattered people need a leader. A lot can happen...
#11 quentingeorge Feb 21, 2004 18:09:14	Gilthas, therefore, is the true king. I doubt Porthios sees it like that though. He "willingly" gave it up only in the sense if he didn't. his wife and unborn child would have born murderered. Not much of a choice, now?
#12 Charles_Phipps Feb 21, 2004 18:29:32	There seems to be no proviso for durass, Porthios would be hard pressed to regain his throne from Gilthas. However a half-Kagonesti Heir to the throne with human blood mixed with the fact Gilthas is probably hated by alot of people might mean a great deal
#13 gforce99 Feb 23, 2004 7:59:23	Any ideas if the Minotaur or Disciple trilogies will deal with elven politics or the fate of the elves in general?
#14 zombiegleemax Feb 23, 2004 16:30:26	I have very little idea of this. I suppose that, since the minotaurs seek the domination of all Ansalon, the Solamnic Knights will end up fighting alongside the elves against the minotaurs (despite their present apparent reluctance to do this). Also, I have heard that in the Disciple trilogy Mina will seek vengeance against the elves.
#15 zombiegleemax Mar 03, 2004 15:44:14	There has also been news of a new Dhamon Grinwulf novel called Lake of Death out in the third quarter of 2004, which presumably deals with the situation in Qualinesti after the War of Souls
#16 gforce99 Mar 04, 2004 6:16:50	Would Gilthas be considered the King of the Elves (both Silvanesti and Quanesti) with Silvanoesti gone?
#17 silvanthalas Mar 04, 2004 8:39:26	Originally posted by GFORCE99 Would Gilthas be considered the King of the Elves (both Silvanesti and Quanesti) with Silvanoesti gone? It seems possible that with Silvanoshei out of the way, Gilthas could become Speaker of the Sun and Stars, like Silvanoshei was supposed to become. But, there are still Qualinesti that don't want Gilthas as their Speaker. And the Silvanesti would be even more (I have no word for what was originally censored here, but it involved being retentative) about it.
#18 zombiegleemax Mar 04, 2004 13:01:08	Currently, Gilthas is considered king of both Qualinesti and Silvanesti, although both kingdoms are occupied; however, Kiryn, Sivanoshei's cousin on the Silvanesti side, would seem to have a better claim to Silvanesti.
#19 zombiegleemax Mar 06, 2004 10:59:46	Originally posted by frostdawn With her son gone, and no desire to rule anymore, I think Alhanna and Samar have gone looking for him, so rumors of his survival are getting around. I seem to remember this from somewhere, but I may be wrong. Last I heard, Porthios was horribly scarred, but alive. Wasn't he scarred and burned and taken by the Kagonesti who told him that he now didn't belong to his people anymore or something like that?
#20 zombiegleemax Mar 07, 2004 16:42:59	That is one version of the story, but the other one, recorded in Dragons of A Fallen Sun, says that he continued or resumed the fight for Qualinesti together with his wife and son and other Qualinesti and Silvanesti elves, but disappeared much later and in very different circumstances: that is the point that I am making; there appears to be a contradiction in the records. Maybe he was healed of his deformity by Goldmoon and then disappeared a second time, but it seems that two different, although similar, versions of the legend of his disappearance exist.