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BoED PrC in DL

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#1
themind
Feb 19, 2004 19:44:32 I have a question concerning a certain PrC that is in the BoED.

One of my players was looking at the Lion of Talisid (can't remember if name is correct or not) PrC.

Now my question is, would this PrC work in DL? Would i just basically change the name to correspond to a DL Deity? or does it not fit in with the setting?
#2
zombiegleemax
Feb 19, 2004 19:52:32 Lion of Habbakuk:
The lions of Habbakuk protect nature and further the cause of goodness. They are represented by the different felines, especialy lions, and often work with guardinals.

There you go. not great, but I think you can pick it up from there.
#3
zombiegleemax
Feb 20, 2004 8:46:31 Lion of Talisid - it's like a druid, only better! They get the druid's spell progression, most of the druid's wild shaping, druid BA, good fort and will saves, plus scent, a full attack at the end of a charge, a better animal companion, a handful of haste a day, plus at 16th level (earliest you can get it), you get an 8th level spell, as a supernatural ability, 3 times a day with an absurdly high save DC.

I don't like the book of exalted deeds.
#4
agent_malucci_dup
Feb 20, 2004 10:17:51 I don't think you would need to even rename the class. Talisid is not worshipped, and grants no divine powers according to the BoED. I would assume it would basically be that you worshipped Habbakuk and were just a more specified sect of druid than all the others. You don't have to worship Talisid, just realize he is good, as is habbakuk and follow his lead(act like a more war like druid). Obviously the DL cosmology would have something to say about this, but thats only a problem if you make it one. Inherently it will pose no issue for the DM or PC.
AM
#5
zombiegleemax
Feb 21, 2004 6:42:00 What is BOeD? I can't remeber that abbreavition.
#6
cam_banks
Feb 21, 2004 9:33:46
Originally posted by Voiceman
What is BOeD? I can't remeber that abbreavition.

Book of Exalted Deeds, the "good" counterpart to the Book of Vile Darkness. Neither book is particularly suited for a standard Dragonlance campaign, and there have been some concerns among critics that the prestige classes and feats in the book are somewhat overpowered or rely too much on DM fiat.

Neither it nor the Book of Vile Darkness are in my personal D&D/d20 collection, though I've read them on occasion for game design purposes.

Cheers,
Cam
#7
iltharanos
Feb 21, 2004 15:24:42 What exactly is a "standard" Dragonlance campaign?
-Campaigns run by the creators of the world?
-Campaigns run by friends of the creators of the world?

BoED fits just fine with a Dragonlance Campaign. Just because it introduces material not previously seen in Dragonlance doesn't mean it doesn't jive with the setting.
#8
zombiegleemax
Feb 21, 2004 21:17:31
Originally posted by Agent_Malucci
I don't think you would need to even rename the class. Talisid is not worshipped, and grants no divine powers according to the BoED. I would assume it would basically be that you worshipped Habbakuk and were just a more specified sect of druid than all the others. You don't have to worship Talisid, just realize he is good, as is habbakuk and follow his lead(act like a more war like druid). Obviously the DL cosmology would have something to say about this, but thats only a problem if you make it one. Inherently it will pose no issue for the DM or PC.
AM

I changed the name because to me, DL is a lot more deity oriented than other settings, so I thought maybe renaming the class was better. I was going to convert the Celestial Paragons to DL, and make them a little less invlolved with Krynn, as their is next to no examples of extraplanar beings in any source yet. Talisid would still be connected with them, of course.

NOTE: In my conversion,I was thinking of giving some of the Celestial Paragons some class levels, because I think they should be a little more even with each other, instead of how it is where one's CR would be 21 and another would be about 32. Maybe make them all around 30, with the heads of the orders being about 35, that sound about right?
#9
cam_banks
Feb 21, 2004 23:29:14
Originally posted by iltharanos
What exactly is a "standard" Dragonlance campaign?
-Campaigns run by the creators of the world?
-Campaigns run by friends of the creators of the world?

BoED fits just fine with a Dragonlance Campaign. Just because it introduces material not previously seen in Dragonlance doesn't mean it doesn't jive with the setting.

Of course not. Any Dragonlance campaign can benefit from the considered introduction of additional rules from other sources - I do this myself! But the "standard Dragonlance campaign" is the one in which the core rulebooks are used, the DLCS and other Dragonlance supplements provide the setting-specific material, and the campaign doesn't cross over into the implied setting elements introduced by such things as the mature product lines, the Psionics Handbook, the Manual of the Planes, and other supplements.

In other words, yes - you can make the Book of Exalted Deeds and Book of Vile Darkness work with Dragonlance, but it wouldn't be an assumed part of the campaign (SP's books are not going to assume you're using them, for example.)

Cheers,
Cam

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#1 themind Feb 19, 2004 19:44:32	I have a question concerning a certain PrC that is in the BoED. One of my players was looking at the Lion of Talisid (can't remember if name is correct or not) PrC. Now my question is, would this PrC work in DL? Would i just basically change the name to correspond to a DL Deity? or does it not fit in with the setting?
#2 zombiegleemax Feb 19, 2004 19:52:32	Lion of Habbakuk: The lions of Habbakuk protect nature and further the cause of goodness. They are represented by the different felines, especialy lions, and often work with guardinals. There you go. not great, but I think you can pick it up from there.
#3 zombiegleemax Feb 20, 2004 8:46:31	Lion of Talisid - it's like a druid, only better! They get the druid's spell progression, most of the druid's wild shaping, druid BA, good fort and will saves, plus scent, a full attack at the end of a charge, a better animal companion, a handful of haste a day, plus at 16th level (earliest you can get it), you get an 8th level spell, as a supernatural ability, 3 times a day with an absurdly high save DC. I don't like the book of exalted deeds.
#4 agent_malucci_dup Feb 20, 2004 10:17:51	I don't think you would need to even rename the class. Talisid is not worshipped, and grants no divine powers according to the BoED. I would assume it would basically be that you worshipped Habbakuk and were just a more specified sect of druid than all the others. You don't have to worship Talisid, just realize he is good, as is habbakuk and follow his lead(act like a more war like druid). Obviously the DL cosmology would have something to say about this, but thats only a problem if you make it one. Inherently it will pose no issue for the DM or PC. AM
#5 zombiegleemax Feb 21, 2004 6:42:00	What is BOeD? I can't remeber that abbreavition.
#6 cam_banks Feb 21, 2004 9:33:46	Originally posted by Voiceman What is BOeD? I can't remeber that abbreavition. Book of Exalted Deeds, the "good" counterpart to the Book of Vile Darkness. Neither book is particularly suited for a standard Dragonlance campaign, and there have been some concerns among critics that the prestige classes and feats in the book are somewhat overpowered or rely too much on DM fiat. Neither it nor the Book of Vile Darkness are in my personal D&D/d20 collection, though I've read them on occasion for game design purposes. Cheers, Cam
#7 iltharanos Feb 21, 2004 15:24:42	What exactly is a "standard" Dragonlance campaign? -Campaigns run by the creators of the world? -Campaigns run by friends of the creators of the world? BoED fits just fine with a Dragonlance Campaign. Just because it introduces material not previously seen in Dragonlance doesn't mean it doesn't jive with the setting.
#8 zombiegleemax Feb 21, 2004 21:17:31	Originally posted by Agent_Malucci I don't think you would need to even rename the class. Talisid is not worshipped, and grants no divine powers according to the BoED. I would assume it would basically be that you worshipped Habbakuk and were just a more specified sect of druid than all the others. You don't have to worship Talisid, just realize he is good, as is habbakuk and follow his lead(act like a more war like druid). Obviously the DL cosmology would have something to say about this, but thats only a problem if you make it one. Inherently it will pose no issue for the DM or PC. AM I changed the name because to me, DL is a lot more deity oriented than other settings, so I thought maybe renaming the class was better. I was going to convert the Celestial Paragons to DL, and make them a little less invlolved with Krynn, as their is next to no examples of extraplanar beings in any source yet. Talisid would still be connected with them, of course. NOTE: In my conversion,I was thinking of giving some of the Celestial Paragons some class levels, because I think they should be a little more even with each other, instead of how it is where one's CR would be 21 and another would be about 32. Maybe make them all around 30, with the heads of the orders being about 35, that sound about right?
#9 cam_banks Feb 21, 2004 23:29:14	Originally posted by iltharanos What exactly is a "standard" Dragonlance campaign? -Campaigns run by the creators of the world? -Campaigns run by friends of the creators of the world? BoED fits just fine with a Dragonlance Campaign. Just because it introduces material not previously seen in Dragonlance doesn't mean it doesn't jive with the setting. Of course not. Any Dragonlance campaign can benefit from the considered introduction of additional rules from other sources - I do this myself! But the "standard Dragonlance campaign" is the one in which the core rulebooks are used, the DLCS and other Dragonlance supplements provide the setting-specific material, and the campaign doesn't cross over into the implied setting elements introduced by such things as the mature product lines, the Psionics Handbook, the Manual of the Planes, and other supplements. In other words, yes - you can make the Book of Exalted Deeds and Book of Vile Darkness work with Dragonlance, but it wouldn't be an assumed part of the campaign (SP's books are not going to assume you're using them, for example.) Cheers, Cam