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Magic rating//psionic rating

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#1
zombiegleemax
Feb 28, 2004 6:03:52 To give every class a psionic rating

i think it fits the setting well.
sort of psionic feeling in all the classes/races.

Psionic classes have 1/1
All other classes have 1/2 (due to the psionic nature of "almost" everything)
#2
zombiegleemax
Feb 28, 2004 11:01:35 you'll have to clarify....
#3
zombiegleemax
Feb 28, 2004 11:21:44 It's from UA (unearthed arcana) named Magic Rating.

But the rule is, when you go up in other classes then psion, your manifester level goes up at a slower rate as wel, even when the classes have nothing in common.

i suggested a rating of +1, every 2 class levels (of a non psi class), so... when you are 19th level fighter, 1st level psion, you manifest powers as a 10th level psion (+9 from the fighter, +1 from the psion). It affects only manifester level... not number of powers or PP.

Anyway, i think it fits rather well, when you take 1 level of psion and take only fighter levels after that, your psi power grows a little with you...

still , then i'll try again :D
#4
zombiegleemax
Feb 28, 2004 13:26:28 If your sticking to the 3e concept of 'everything must be balanced', its a bad idea. Hit the mid levels as one class, then switch over to being a semi-uber psion with high manifester levels. Throws a wrench in the gogs of game balance.

But, if your sticking with the 2e concept of everyone has a wild talent, and like to use psychic surgery to open up access to even more talents, then this fits in just fine. It fits very well flavor wise.
#5
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Feb 28, 2004 14:28:13 I just looked on the D&D site.... apparently, WotC has released a book called "Unearthed Arcana" (not to be confused with Monte Cooke's Arcana Unearthed) which has many different variant rules. I think what is being discussed here is actually something included in a WotC book. As such, I do tend to give it credibility - as long as it goes 1-way. No taking 19 levels of fighter then 1 level of psion to be able to manifest as a 10th level psion. However, taking 1 level of psion then switching to 19 levels of fighter, that makes more sense. I like this idea, as it tends to reduce the penalty of multiclassing as a spellcaster or psionic manifester.
#6
elonarc
Feb 29, 2004 3:49:33 Unearthed Arcana is an official WotC product.
I was pleasantly surprised to find this rule in there, because we are using it in my gaming group for quite some time now (did make it up on our own). It makes multiclassing as a spellcaster easier.
And concerning the Fighter 19/ Psion 1: This character would indeed manifest as a 10th level Psion...but he would only know powers like a 1st level Psion and have only power points like a 1st level Psion...not that powerful and unbalancing.
I like Unearthed Arcana and its ideas, it shows that WotC is not that concerned about some things other people consider "impossible" in D&D. IMHO people too often kill an idea with the "no way! 3rd edition balancing etc." comment. Even some ideas for converting some of the nice 2nd edition Dark Sun concepts got that comment.
That's rthe reason I am working on an "Unearthed Arcana" for Dark Sun 3.5 ...
#7
Otakkun
Feb 29, 2004 9:37:38 It's just that people tend to think that a fighter 19/psion 1 would be in fact a fighter 19 able to manifest 'as' a psion 10, with powers and power points as a psion 10, which is not the way it works.

Edo.
#8
nytcrawlr
Feb 29, 2004 10:53:07 Interesting concept.

Not sure I like it, course I'm a stickler when it comes to min/maxing/optimizing er I mean multiclassing , but that's just me.

At least it just lets you have a higher manifester level though.
#9
jaanos
Feb 29, 2004 16:42:14 I Like this idea too - i mean, a 1st level psion only has a handful of pp, only 0 and 1st level powers... what difference does it REALLY make if he manifests a 1st level power as a 10th level psion? not much, but enough to remove the inherrent disadvantage of multi-classing spell/psion classes with other classes.

Get my vote, for sure!

Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm
I just looked on the D&D site.... apparently, WotC has released a book called "Unearthed Arcana" (not to be confused with Monte Cooke's Arcana Unearthed) which has many different variant rules. I think what is being discussed here is actually something included in a WotC book. As such, I do tend to give it credibility - as long as it goes 1-way. No taking 19 levels of fighter then 1 level of psion to be able to manifest as a 10th level psion. However, taking 1 level of psion then switching to 19 levels of fighter, that makes more sense. I like this idea, as it tends to reduce the penalty of multiclassing as a spellcaster or psionic manifester.

#10
nytcrawlr
Feb 29, 2004 17:05:27
Originally posted by Jaanos
I Like this idea too - i mean, a 1st level psion only has a handful of pp, only 0 and 1st level powers... what difference does it REALLY make if he manifests a 1st level power as a 10th level psion?

It's still something for nothing.

Whether or not it's enough to throw the balance gods out of whack I seriously doubt.
#11
Otakkun
Feb 29, 2004 19:35:26 Well, the multiclassing of spellcasters is a sore point of D&D since it does NOT work, so I wouldn't affraid of throwing the balance over the window.

At least it's much better than the mystic theurge :D

Edo.
#12
jaanos
Feb 29, 2004 21:09:53 Totally equal balance is over-rated. Any decent DM can even a few bumps in balance out.
#13
elonarc
Mar 01, 2004 6:01:06 Spellcasting multiclassing is indeed a big problem for d&d...
In my gaming group I expanded the mentioned optional rule even further: if you mutliclass as a spellcaster and the levels of your classes are not more than 1 level different you actually gain 1 real level of spellcasting ability (just spells or powers and pp, nothing else) for every 4 levels in your non-spellcasting class. This has not resulted in balancing problems. And, Jaanos, I second what you said about DMs.
#14
nytcrawlr
Mar 01, 2004 13:17:31
Originally posted by Otakkun
At least it's much better than the mystic theurge :D

Yeah, I'm not worried about it breaking the balance either, the point remains though is you are getting something for nothing, and you have to be careful with that sometimes.

Why oh why people get all bent of shape over the MT I'll never know, maybe the player I had that played one wasn't using it to it's full advantage as a spell caster, but I was not impressed when he played that character.

He later got rid of it and just kept all his arcane levels, he was playing a MT arcane/divine spellcaster, and was suppose to get "better", but I didn't see much improvement.

Maybe it was just him. Just found it odd is all, he's always been one of the better spellcasters in the group and he definately came up short that time around.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Feb 28, 2004 6:03:52	To give every class a psionic rating i think it fits the setting well. sort of psionic feeling in all the classes/races. Psionic classes have 1/1 All other classes have 1/2 (due to the psionic nature of "almost" everything)
#2 zombiegleemax Feb 28, 2004 11:01:35	you'll have to clarify....
#3 zombiegleemax Feb 28, 2004 11:21:44	It's from UA (unearthed arcana) named Magic Rating. But the rule is, when you go up in other classes then psion, your manifester level goes up at a slower rate as wel, even when the classes have nothing in common. i suggested a rating of +1, every 2 class levels (of a non psi class), so... when you are 19th level fighter, 1st level psion, you manifest powers as a 10th level psion (+9 from the fighter, +1 from the psion). It affects only manifester level... not number of powers or PP. Anyway, i think it fits rather well, when you take 1 level of psion and take only fighter levels after that, your psi power grows a little with you... still , then i'll try again :D
#4 zombiegleemax Feb 28, 2004 13:26:28	If your sticking to the 3e concept of 'everything must be balanced', its a bad idea. Hit the mid levels as one class, then switch over to being a semi-uber psion with high manifester levels. Throws a wrench in the gogs of game balance. But, if your sticking with the 2e concept of everyone has a wild talent, and like to use psychic surgery to open up access to even more talents, then this fits in just fine. It fits very well flavor wise.
#5 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Feb 28, 2004 14:28:13	I just looked on the D&D site.... apparently, WotC has released a book called "Unearthed Arcana" (not to be confused with Monte Cooke's Arcana Unearthed) which has many different variant rules. I think what is being discussed here is actually something included in a WotC book. As such, I do tend to give it credibility - as long as it goes 1-way. No taking 19 levels of fighter then 1 level of psion to be able to manifest as a 10th level psion. However, taking 1 level of psion then switching to 19 levels of fighter, that makes more sense. I like this idea, as it tends to reduce the penalty of multiclassing as a spellcaster or psionic manifester.
#6 elonarc Feb 29, 2004 3:49:33	Unearthed Arcana is an official WotC product. I was pleasantly surprised to find this rule in there, because we are using it in my gaming group for quite some time now (did make it up on our own). It makes multiclassing as a spellcaster easier. And concerning the Fighter 19/ Psion 1: This character would indeed manifest as a 10th level Psion...but he would only know powers like a 1st level Psion and have only power points like a 1st level Psion...not that powerful and unbalancing. I like Unearthed Arcana and its ideas, it shows that WotC is not that concerned about some things other people consider "impossible" in D&D. IMHO people too often kill an idea with the "no way! 3rd edition balancing etc." comment. Even some ideas for converting some of the nice 2nd edition Dark Sun concepts got that comment. That's rthe reason I am working on an "Unearthed Arcana" for Dark Sun 3.5 ...
#7 Otakkun Feb 29, 2004 9:37:38	It's just that people tend to think that a fighter 19/psion 1 would be in fact a fighter 19 able to manifest 'as' a psion 10, with powers and power points as a psion 10, which is not the way it works. Edo.
#8 nytcrawlr Feb 29, 2004 10:53:07	Interesting concept. Not sure I like it, course I'm a stickler when it comes to min/maxing/optimizing er I mean multiclassing , but that's just me. At least it just lets you have a higher manifester level though.
#9 jaanos Feb 29, 2004 16:42:14	I Like this idea too - i mean, a 1st level psion only has a handful of pp, only 0 and 1st level powers... what difference does it REALLY make if he manifests a 1st level power as a 10th level psion? not much, but enough to remove the inherrent disadvantage of multi-classing spell/psion classes with other classes. Get my vote, for sure! Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm I just looked on the D&D site.... apparently, WotC has released a book called "Unearthed Arcana" (not to be confused with Monte Cooke's Arcana Unearthed) which has many different variant rules. I think what is being discussed here is actually something included in a WotC book. As such, I do tend to give it credibility - as long as it goes 1-way. No taking 19 levels of fighter then 1 level of psion to be able to manifest as a 10th level psion. However, taking 1 level of psion then switching to 19 levels of fighter, that makes more sense. I like this idea, as it tends to reduce the penalty of multiclassing as a spellcaster or psionic manifester.
#10 nytcrawlr Feb 29, 2004 17:05:27	Originally posted by Jaanos I Like this idea too - i mean, a 1st level psion only has a handful of pp, only 0 and 1st level powers... what difference does it REALLY make if he manifests a 1st level power as a 10th level psion? It's still something for nothing. Whether or not it's enough to throw the balance gods out of whack I seriously doubt.
#11 Otakkun Feb 29, 2004 19:35:26	Well, the multiclassing of spellcasters is a sore point of D&D since it does NOT work, so I wouldn't affraid of throwing the balance over the window. At least it's much better than the mystic theurge :D Edo.
#12 jaanos Feb 29, 2004 21:09:53	Totally equal balance is over-rated. Any decent DM can even a few bumps in balance out.
#13 elonarc Mar 01, 2004 6:01:06	Spellcasting multiclassing is indeed a big problem for d&d... In my gaming group I expanded the mentioned optional rule even further: if you mutliclass as a spellcaster and the levels of your classes are not more than 1 level different you actually gain 1 real level of spellcasting ability (just spells or powers and pp, nothing else) for every 4 levels in your non-spellcasting class. This has not resulted in balancing problems. And, Jaanos, I second what you said about DMs.
#14 nytcrawlr Mar 01, 2004 13:17:31	Originally posted by Otakkun At least it's much better than the mystic theurge :D Yeah, I'm not worried about it breaking the balance either, the point remains though is you are getting something for nothing, and you have to be careful with that sometimes. Why oh why people get all bent of shape over the MT I'll never know, maybe the player I had that played one wasn't using it to it's full advantage as a spell caster, but I was not impressed when he played that character. He later got rid of it and just kept all his arcane levels, he was playing a MT arcane/divine spellcaster, and was suppose to get "better", but I didn't see much improvement. Maybe it was just him. Just found it odd is all, he's always been one of the better spellcasters in the group and he definately came up short that time around.