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The Grugach

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#1
zombiegleemax
Mar 04, 2004 20:35:29 Please educate me on everything you know about the Grugach. I'm clueless, so if you would oblige, I'd much appreciate it. Thanks
#2
grodog
Mar 04, 2004 22:01:00 Hmmm, that's a pretty wide request TJ: is there anything in particular that you're looking for?

For example, the grugach first appeared in Dragon 67 (November 1982), and were later included in the Monster Manual II (1983 release). I don't really know if that's the kind of info you're seeking, however ;)
#3
zombiegleemax
Mar 04, 2004 22:23:28 Well, as I said.. I'm clueless here, but the most important info I'm seeking is their origins.

Are they tied together by heritage and bloodlines, or by common ideals and being in the same place at the same time?

I know... just educate me plz )
#4
zombiegleemax
Mar 05, 2004 11:30:26 10+ years ago a Greyhawk binder supplement to the Monstrous Compendium that detailed Grugach, Voadkyn, Valley Elves etc. I don't have it but I know someone who might. I'll see what I can find.
#5
Mortepierre
Mar 05, 2004 13:00:02 The Gruagach are "wild" elves akin to sylvan ones but smaller, thinner, and very fair. They are completely xenophobic, distrusting even other sorts of elves. Thus, they are rarely, if ever, encountered outside their tribal bands.

They don't have priests, only druids (highly respected), and their rangers often specialize as assassins to better kill all intruders on their tribal lands.

In short, they are the kind of elves you don't want to meet around a tree in the dark :D
#6
nellisir
Mar 05, 2004 13:20:59 I don't know that there's ever been a definative origin for the grugach (or any of the elves). They might be the "original" elves, or they could be the furthest "fallen" from civilization. Compared to LotR*, D&D high elves are the most civilized (Rivendell), wood elves are reclusive but still enjoy the trappings of civilized (the elves of Mirkwood), and the wild elves aren't civilized at all. (traditionally, D&D grey elves were isolated and fairly solitary in nature, and probably acted alot like high elves).

BTW, you made reference to high elves in the Grandwood guarding a Flan sword, apparently from Ivid. I can't find that reference in the text. Can you clarify what it's listed under (section heading)?

Cheers
Nell.

*I am not a LotR scholar. I don't know what kinds of elves Tolkein established these as. I am using LotR examples to illustrate D&D, not LotR.
#7
zombiegleemax
Mar 05, 2004 13:29:21 Nellisir: That's under the heading "A Vengeance From the Past" in the Millenium Empire section. I think the third paragraph is a typo that should read, "The most feared by far is the magical sword guarded by the grey elf remnant of the Adri Forest."

There is nothing about this sword in the Grandwood section, but the Adri section has several paragraphs detailing the Coldwood and the fall of Darnakurian.
#8
zombiegleemax
Mar 05, 2004 20:09:25 According to the MMII (1983), the Grugach are very similar to the sylvan elves. Despite their smaller stature, they are stronger than average elves. They are on good terms with all non-evil animals of their woodland homes and will often ride stags as mounts.

Grugach often protect their homes with pits and snares which are well concealed. They are Neutral or Chaotic neutral in alignment.
#9
zombiegleemax
Mar 05, 2004 23:05:33 hehe Rhinegalde! Facts, sir..just the facts.

Thanks guys!
#10
mortellan
Mar 07, 2004 2:30:41 According to my Greyhawk Adventures-Monster Manual insert:

As a rule, a party that meets with a band of elves who do not speak common (grugach speak only elvish, treant and sylvan tongues) should consider themselves in trouble.

Grugach are skilled at setting traps. Self explanatory.

Grugach like platinum.

Grugach don't like other elves or even druids.

So far nothing canon I've read about their divergance from wood elves. I'd say it is ideological since they refuse to use other languages and they abhor even the wood elves' presence. I'd wager to say they have no knowledge of the outside world beyond who they capture and interrogate.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Mar 04, 2004 20:35:29	Please educate me on everything you know about the Grugach. I'm clueless, so if you would oblige, I'd much appreciate it. Thanks
#2 grodog Mar 04, 2004 22:01:00	Hmmm, that's a pretty wide request TJ: is there anything in particular that you're looking for? For example, the grugach first appeared in Dragon 67 (November 1982), and were later included in the Monster Manual II (1983 release). I don't really know if that's the kind of info you're seeking, however ;)
#3 zombiegleemax Mar 04, 2004 22:23:28	Well, as I said.. I'm clueless here, but the most important info I'm seeking is their origins. Are they tied together by heritage and bloodlines, or by common ideals and being in the same place at the same time? I know... just educate me plz )
#4 zombiegleemax Mar 05, 2004 11:30:26	10+ years ago a Greyhawk binder supplement to the Monstrous Compendium that detailed Grugach, Voadkyn, Valley Elves etc. I don't have it but I know someone who might. I'll see what I can find.
#5 Mortepierre Mar 05, 2004 13:00:02	The Gruagach are "wild" elves akin to sylvan ones but smaller, thinner, and very fair. They are completely xenophobic, distrusting even other sorts of elves. Thus, they are rarely, if ever, encountered outside their tribal bands. They don't have priests, only druids (highly respected), and their rangers often specialize as assassins to better kill all intruders on their tribal lands. In short, they are the kind of elves you don't want to meet around a tree in the dark :D
#6 nellisir Mar 05, 2004 13:20:59	I don't know that there's ever been a definative origin for the grugach (or any of the elves). They might be the "original" elves, or they could be the furthest "fallen" from civilization. Compared to LotR, D&D high elves are the most civilized (Rivendell), wood elves are reclusive but still enjoy the trappings of civilized (the elves of Mirkwood), and the wild elves aren't civilized at all. (traditionally, D&D grey elves were isolated and fairly solitary in nature, and probably acted alot like high elves). BTW, you made reference to high elves in the Grandwood guarding a Flan sword, apparently from Ivid. I can't find that reference in the text. Can you clarify what it's listed under (section heading)? Cheers Nell. I am not a LotR scholar. I don't know what kinds of elves Tolkein established these as. I am using LotR examples to illustrate D&D, not LotR.
#7 zombiegleemax Mar 05, 2004 13:29:21	Nellisir: That's under the heading "A Vengeance From the Past" in the Millenium Empire section. I think the third paragraph is a typo that should read, "The most feared by far is the magical sword guarded by the grey elf remnant of the Adri Forest." There is nothing about this sword in the Grandwood section, but the Adri section has several paragraphs detailing the Coldwood and the fall of Darnakurian.
#8 zombiegleemax Mar 05, 2004 20:09:25	According to the MMII (1983), the Grugach are very similar to the sylvan elves. Despite their smaller stature, they are stronger than average elves. They are on good terms with all non-evil animals of their woodland homes and will often ride stags as mounts. Grugach often protect their homes with pits and snares which are well concealed. They are Neutral or Chaotic neutral in alignment.
#9 zombiegleemax Mar 05, 2004 23:05:33	hehe Rhinegalde! Facts, sir..just the facts. Thanks guys!
#10 mortellan Mar 07, 2004 2:30:41	According to my Greyhawk Adventures-Monster Manual insert: As a rule, a party that meets with a band of elves who do not speak common (grugach speak only elvish, treant and sylvan tongues) should consider themselves in trouble. Grugach are skilled at setting traps. Self explanatory. Grugach like platinum. Grugach don't like other elves or even druids. So far nothing canon I've read about their divergance from wood elves. I'd say it is ideological since they refuse to use other languages and they abhor even the wood elves' presence. I'd wager to say they have no knowledge of the outside world beyond who they capture and interrogate.