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#1 daedavias_dup Mar 05, 2004 9:46:30	Is it just me or does the Archfiends miniatures set seem rather loaded with Forgotten Realms stuff? Seriously, there is a total of 12 minis from the set are FR specific. That is one fifth of the set. I suppose there are a few that work along with Greyhawk. There are more Forgotten Realms miniatures in the set than there are fiends. There are seven fiends in the set. Why didn't they just call the thing the Forgotten Realms Miniature set? See for yourselves http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mg/20040203a Well, all in all, I find this set rather thin on good minis for usage in a DL game. The only reason I would get this set is for the blind hope of getting the silver dragon. It looks like I will stick to the Dragoneye set.
#2 valharic Mar 05, 2004 10:23:24	I feel the same way. I don't think this set is there best, although our group is investing in a case of them. We buy the mini's for mass armies purposes. It's easier to buy 50 Baaz Draconian's than to track down substitutes and buy those, then factory paint them. There are few mini's that will be useful, as I run a DL campaign, and another runs a GH campaign. So we both feel the frustration of a lack of DL and GH mini's. I'm hoping the Giants of Legend set has a better selection of mini's. It's suppose to have some famously named NPC's in it. This set has Drizzt which will just be another drow for the GH campaign. The few that are useful to me in DL are the Silver Dragon and the Githyanki, among a few others. Othwise it there's not alot of them that get me excited.
#3 valharic Mar 05, 2004 10:31:28	I feel the same way. I don't think this set is their best, although our group is investing in a case of them. We buy the mini's for mass armies purposes. It's easier to buy 50 Baaz Draconian's than to track down substitutes and buy those, then factory paint them. I have found a couple websites that sell the individuals for a reasonable price. There are few mini's that will be useful, as I run a DL campaign, and another runs a GH campaign. So we both feel the frustration of a lack of DL and GH mini's. I'm hoping the Giants of Legend set has a better selection of mini's. It's suppose to have some famously named NPC's in it. This set has Drizzt which will just be another drow for the GH campaign. The few that are useful to me in DL are the Silver Dragon and the Githyanki, among a few others. Othwise there's not alot of them that get me excited. Valharic
#4 The_White_Sorcerer Mar 05, 2004 10:35:50	Let's see which ones are usable in DL, and which ones are definately out. Usable in Dragonlance Cleric of Lathander (as a cleric of some other god) Dalelands Militia (as a ranger of sorts) Gold Dwarf Fighter Human Dragonslayer Large Silver Dragon Medium Earth Elemental Paladin of Torm (a knight of Solamnia) Soldier of Cormyr (also a knight of sorts) Healer Mialee, Elven Wizard Evermeet Wizard (an elven White Robe) Graycloak Ranger Halfling Ranger (kender) Halfling Wizard (kender sorcerer) Ialdabode, Human Psion (human White Robe or sorcerer) Moon Elf Fighter (elven warrior) Ragnara, Psychic Warrior (warrior with magical blade) Unicorn Sage Clay Golem Bone Devil Dark Moon Monk (monk of Sargonnas) Dread Guard (death knight) Erinyes Gauth (beholders exist in Krynn, right?) Human Cleric of Bane (cleric of Takhisis) Nothic Red Wizard (a Red Robe) Snig the Axe Xill Zhentarim Fighter (any warrior) Gravehound Ochre Jelly Warrior Skeleton Abyssal Eviscerator Cultist of the Dragon (a Black Robe) Cursed Spirit Gnoll Archer Hill Giant Medium Fire Elemental Vampire Aristocrat Vrock Young Minotaur Unusable in Dragonlance Catfolk Champion of Eilistraee Cleric of Kord Drizzt, Drow Ranger Githzerai Half-Orc Barbarian Wereboar Aspect of Bane Duergar Warrior Aspect of Demogorgon Aspect of Lolth Aspect of Orcus Drow Sergeant Githyanki Fighter Orc Champion Orc Raider Yuan-Ti Pureblood Note: Any orc figure can also be used as a hobgoblin/bugbear So, uh... Are we really talking about the same set of minis? 'Cause it looks like over half of the minis (43 out of 60) can be used in DL.
#5 daedavias_dup Mar 05, 2004 10:42:06	I was merely talking usage without any alteration. Obviously one can make a mini represent what they want, such as the cleric of Moradin from Dragoneye. However, I still find that the set seemed geared way too closely toward a FR game. I doubt that I would be disappointed with the set if I purchased a box of them, though I bet I would get a rare mini that would be utterly worthless.
#6 The_White_Sorcerer Mar 05, 2004 10:50:24	Even if I remove all of the FR and psionic minis from my list, there are still 30 minis that can be used in DL.
#7 daedavias_dup Mar 05, 2004 10:53:36	Originally posted by The White Sorcerer Even if I remove all of the FR and psionic minis from my list, there are still 30 minis that can be used in DL. Fine, you've convinced me :P I guess I could use some of them for other types of characters than what they were meant to represent...
#8 The_White_Sorcerer Mar 05, 2004 11:27:14	Originally posted by Daedavias I guess I could use some of them for other types of characters than what they were meant to represent... What?!? How could an Evermeet Wizard, for example, be used to represent anything other than a wizard from Evermeet? Heretic! ;)
#9 ferratus Mar 05, 2004 14:00:52	Originally posted by The White Sorcerer Unusable in Dragonlance Catfolk Actually, Krynn does have Catfolk in a couple novels. ;) Kathuri or something? Aspect of Bane Aspect of Orcus Actually, these two can fit in for aspects of Sargonnas and Chemosh respectively. The Orcus can actually work very well for Sargonnas too since he looks very minotaurish. Two gods with one minature! Duergar Warrior Actually, this would make a very good Theiwar or Daegar. Like their Duegar brothers in other settings, they are pale and fair-haired and often albino.
#10 iltharanos Mar 05, 2004 14:32:28	The cat-like folk were the Karnuthians, I believe.
#11 The_White_Sorcerer Mar 05, 2004 15:50:11	Soo... That makes it 47 out of 60 usable in DL, and 13 unusable in DL.
#12 daedavias_dup Mar 05, 2004 17:46:20	Originally posted by The White Sorcerer Soo... That makes it 47 out of 60 usable in DL, and 13 unusable in DL. Hush! You proved your point... This is exactly what I wanted to get out of this thread. I wanted people to come up with ways to use the minis in their game. I also noticed that when a blanket statement like the one I made is used, people tend to be more thorough when they respond. Thanks all!
#13 wolffenjugend_dup Mar 05, 2004 17:58:36	Are the sets random or do you get all the miniatures in one shot?
#14 ferratus Mar 06, 2004 14:07:50	Originally posted by Daedavias Hush! You proved your point... This is exactly what I wanted to get out of this thread. I wanted people to come up with ways to use the minis in their game. I also noticed that when a blanket statement like the one I made is used, people tend to be more thorough when they respond. Hmm... well then let's take a second look at the unusable figures. ;) # Champion of Eilistraee - If you allow shadowdancers in your dragonlance campaign (and who doesn't?) this could work there. # Githzerai, Githyanki Fighter - The ogres and the elves can crossbreed, and their descendants are the goblin races. This looks like one of those proto-goblins. What would be a good name for these guys anyway? Bogey? Wendigo? Irdakin? # Half-Orc Barbarian Well, this looks enough like a half-ogre to me. Not as much as a "stonechild" from Dragoneye looks like a krynnish half-ogre though. Those guys have blue skin, a hunched posture, and huge muscles, which make them perfect IMO. # Aspect of Demogorgon Well, this can be used as Demogorgon really, because he can be a powerful demon lord in service to Hiddukel or Morgion. Heck, the same could be said for any of the lords of the 9. # Yuan-Ti Pureblood Yuanti could exist as one of Sable's experiments into human metamorphisis, or as a bakali subrace. They do however tend to trod on the feet of dragon spawn, which are Krynn's answer to Yuanti and Lyncanthropes.
#15 iltharanos Mar 06, 2004 14:33:17	Originally posted by ferratus [b] # Githzerai, Githyanki Fighter - The ogres and the elves can crossbreed, and their descendants are the goblin races. This looks like one of those proto-goblins. What would be a good name for these guys anyway? Bogey? Wendigo? Irdakin? I've seen one Dragonlance novel that had a half-elf half-ogre, and he didn't look anything like a goblin. Including that one source, I haven't seen a single novel or gaming product describe the goblin races as being descended from a union of ogres and elves. So, where did you get this idea from? Your own theory? One based off of the Tolkien corrupted elves = orcs theory? Someone else's theory?
#16 zombiegleemax Mar 06, 2004 15:08:22	The theory has actually been in DL for a long time...I believe since chronicles....many gaming supplements and novels have described this 'possibility' ............anyhow...the most recent place to find that theory...which states that it is only a theory, is in the new DL DM Screen supplemental booklet......and could you point to me the location of the half elf/half ogre you are talking about....I wanna see that one for myself.
#17 iltharanos Mar 06, 2004 20:59:12	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst The theory has actually been in DL for a long time...I believe since chronicles....many gaming supplements and novels have described this 'possibility' ............anyhow...the most recent place to find that theory...which states that it is only a theory, is in the new DL DM Screen supplemental booklet...... Now that is interesting. I missed that totally in the DL DM screen. I can accept the high ogre-elf crossbreeding resulting in goblins through the mutation of the Graygem. I'd find it harder to swallow the ogre (big dumb brute)-elf crossbreeding resulting in goblins, though. As for previous supplements/novels, do you know which ones precisely? I've got all the 3rd, SAGA, and 2nd edition gaming products plus all the novels but for a dozen or so. In all those sources I can't recall having ever seen any hide nor hint of this elf-high ogre crossbreeding. and could you point to me the location of the half elf/half ogre you are talking about....I wanna see that one for myself. Ha! It took a bit of digging, but I found the short story. The character's name is Guyvir and he's featured in the short story Tactics by Richard A. Knaak in the Dragonlance anthology Rebels and Tyrants first published in 2000. EDIT: Hmm, what would you call such a creature (besides goblin, which I won't accept)? An Elgre? Grelf? Orlf?
#18 cam_banks Mar 06, 2004 21:55:15	Originally posted by iltharanos As for previous supplements/novels, do you know which ones precisely? I've got all the 3rd, SAGA, and 2nd edition gaming products plus all the novels but for a dozen or so. In all those sources I can't recall having ever seen any hide nor hint of this elf-high ogre crossbreeding. The SAGA Bestiary mentions it, as does Tales of the Lance if I recall correctly. But, it's only a theory, as cold hard facts aren't always easy to furnish in cases such as this. Hmm, what would you call such a creature (besides goblin, which I won't accept)? An Elgre? Grelf? Orlf? You could use orogs, which are orc/ogre crossbreeds on other worlds (or a race of their own on Cerilia, the world of Brithright). Cheers, Cam
#19 iltharanos Mar 06, 2004 22:39:27	I rechecked and the SAGA bestiary does mention it, but Tales of the Lance only states that goblins are the descendants of ogres mutated by the Graygem, making no mention at all of elvish-ogrish unions. Assuming the lack of mention of such elf-ogre hybrids prior to the SAGA material, this leads me to believe it's a fairly recent "theory" in the history of Dragonlance.