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#1
angal
Mar 08, 2004 1:46:48 If you pass you conclave test Do you have to become a WoHS?
or can you just advance as a normal wizard?
#2
cam_banks
Mar 08, 2004 5:19:07
Originally posted by Angal
If you pass you conclave test Do you have to become a WoHS?
or can you just advance as a normal wizard?

Believe it or not, you don't have to take the WoHS prestige class, but you'll probably still have to abide by the conventions of the Orders as they will induct you into one of them following the Test. So, even though you won't have any of the benefits of the WoHS class, you'll have to answer to the Conclave on matters of tradition, won't be allowed to use any bladed weapon larger than a dagger, that kind of thing.

The DLCS text says something about instantly acquiring the WoHS class upon completion of the Test, but that's not true - you would have to first qualify for the class (have all the right feats and skill ranks) and have enough XP to advance to a new level (which may or may not have occurred during the Test).

Cheers,
Cam
#3
zombiegleemax
Mar 08, 2004 16:27:46
Originally posted by Cam Banks

The DLCS text says something about instantly acquiring the WoHS class upon completion of the Test, but that's not true - you would have to first qualify for the class (have all the right feats and skill ranks) and have enough XP to advance to a new level (which may or may not have occurred during the Test).

That phrase has been puzzling me as well. I never gave much attention to it though, and have treated the two tests I have been dungeon-mastering as regular adventures(xp-wise). It's just that after having completed the test, the player can choose to take the WoHS PrC. The thing that the test does in my campaign, is that it gives you one or two flaws (either my own very special, or from the UA), and you get one or two bonus feats for it as I mentioned in an earlier post.
#4
Dragonhelm
Mar 08, 2004 17:31:30 Also, you can take a few levels of WoHS then do a few of the base wizard class. Eventually, you'll have to do this when there are no more levels of WoHS left anyway.

That extra feat that a 5th level wizard gets is a pretty nice prize, though, especially if you're trying to qualify for a second prestige class, ala the War Mage.
#5
ferratus
Mar 09, 2004 0:03:30 Just to play devil's advocate for a bit, what would the Wizards of High Sorcery look like as an Unearthed Arcana style variant class of the wizard? Would it perhaps be a better fit than the prestige class option?

I mean, we already know that most prestige classes are not going to be a good fit for the WoHS. Namely those prestige classes which rely on:

1) Blending martial prowess with magic. (ie. Eldritch Knight).
2) Relying on sources of power outside of the three moons (ie. demonologists, supernatural ancestors etc)

However, many seem to be expressing interest in other prestige classes, such as the new prestige classes in the Towers of High Sorcery book (which presumably rely on previous levels of the WoHS prestige class), the Solamnic Auxillary mage, or even the bookish DMG prestige classes such as the Archmage and Loremaster.

So given that the WoHS turning out to be a building block for a few prestige classes on its own, and can be applied to at a very low level, would have a variant class made more sense? Or perhaps using just the PHB wizard and turning the order secrets into metamagic feats?
#6
zombiegleemax
Mar 09, 2004 11:48:23 WoHS is a 10-stage class, so it's a perfect candidate for taking beyond, right? It's an identiy I thought, a prestige class, and after taking 10 levels of X Robe on top of your 3 of wizard, you're gonna be identifying yourself more as a X Robe than a wizard, right? So you'd take an 11th level of X Robe instead of a 4th level of Wizard? Or maytbe use one of those other classes like war mage or auxillary mage, or I'm sure there'll be more in the ToHS book.

nik
#7
cam_banks
Mar 09, 2004 11:52:40
Originally posted by Cap'n Nick
WoHS is a 10-stage class, so it's a perfect candidate for taking beyond, right? It's an identiy I thought, a prestige class, and after taking 10 levels of X Robe on top of your 3 of wizard, you're gonna be identifying yourself more as a X Robe than a wizard, right? So you'd take an 11th level of X Robe instead of a 4th level of Wizard? Or maytbe use one of those other classes like war mage or auxillary mage, or I'm sure there'll be more in the ToHS book.

Taking more levels in wizard help out your levels in WoHS, since they increase spellcasting power and provide bonus feats, familiar enhancements, and so forth. It's not "slumming it" to pick up wizard levels if you've already maxed out WoHS levels. Most, if not all, high-level Wizards of High Sorcery have more than just the bare minimum of wizard levels.

Cheers,
Cam

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 angal Mar 08, 2004 1:46:48	If you pass you conclave test Do you have to become a WoHS? or can you just advance as a normal wizard?
#2 cam_banks Mar 08, 2004 5:19:07	Originally posted by Angal If you pass you conclave test Do you have to become a WoHS? or can you just advance as a normal wizard? Believe it or not, you don't have to take the WoHS prestige class, but you'll probably still have to abide by the conventions of the Orders as they will induct you into one of them following the Test. So, even though you won't have any of the benefits of the WoHS class, you'll have to answer to the Conclave on matters of tradition, won't be allowed to use any bladed weapon larger than a dagger, that kind of thing. The DLCS text says something about instantly acquiring the WoHS class upon completion of the Test, but that's not true - you would have to first qualify for the class (have all the right feats and skill ranks) and have enough XP to advance to a new level (which may or may not have occurred during the Test). Cheers, Cam
#3 zombiegleemax Mar 08, 2004 16:27:46	Originally posted by Cam Banks The DLCS text says something about instantly acquiring the WoHS class upon completion of the Test, but that's not true - you would have to first qualify for the class (have all the right feats and skill ranks) and have enough XP to advance to a new level (which may or may not have occurred during the Test). That phrase has been puzzling me as well. I never gave much attention to it though, and have treated the two tests I have been dungeon-mastering as regular adventures(xp-wise). It's just that after having completed the test, the player can choose to take the WoHS PrC. The thing that the test does in my campaign, is that it gives you one or two flaws (either my own very special, or from the UA), and you get one or two bonus feats for it as I mentioned in an earlier post.
#4 Dragonhelm Mar 08, 2004 17:31:30	Also, you can take a few levels of WoHS then do a few of the base wizard class. Eventually, you'll have to do this when there are no more levels of WoHS left anyway. That extra feat that a 5th level wizard gets is a pretty nice prize, though, especially if you're trying to qualify for a second prestige class, ala the War Mage.
#5 ferratus Mar 09, 2004 0:03:30	Just to play devil's advocate for a bit, what would the Wizards of High Sorcery look like as an Unearthed Arcana style variant class of the wizard? Would it perhaps be a better fit than the prestige class option? I mean, we already know that most prestige classes are not going to be a good fit for the WoHS. Namely those prestige classes which rely on: 1) Blending martial prowess with magic. (ie. Eldritch Knight). 2) Relying on sources of power outside of the three moons (ie. demonologists, supernatural ancestors etc) However, many seem to be expressing interest in other prestige classes, such as the new prestige classes in the Towers of High Sorcery book (which presumably rely on previous levels of the WoHS prestige class), the Solamnic Auxillary mage, or even the bookish DMG prestige classes such as the Archmage and Loremaster. So given that the WoHS turning out to be a building block for a few prestige classes on its own, and can be applied to at a very low level, would have a variant class made more sense? Or perhaps using just the PHB wizard and turning the order secrets into metamagic feats?
#6 zombiegleemax Mar 09, 2004 11:48:23	WoHS is a 10-stage class, so it's a perfect candidate for taking beyond, right? It's an identiy I thought, a prestige class, and after taking 10 levels of X Robe on top of your 3 of wizard, you're gonna be identifying yourself more as a X Robe than a wizard, right? So you'd take an 11th level of X Robe instead of a 4th level of Wizard? Or maytbe use one of those other classes like war mage or auxillary mage, or I'm sure there'll be more in the ToHS book. nik
#7 cam_banks Mar 09, 2004 11:52:40	Originally posted by Cap'n Nick WoHS is a 10-stage class, so it's a perfect candidate for taking beyond, right? It's an identiy I thought, a prestige class, and after taking 10 levels of X Robe on top of your 3 of wizard, you're gonna be identifying yourself more as a X Robe than a wizard, right? So you'd take an 11th level of X Robe instead of a 4th level of Wizard? Or maytbe use one of those other classes like war mage or auxillary mage, or I'm sure there'll be more in the ToHS book. Taking more levels in wizard help out your levels in WoHS, since they increase spellcasting power and provide bonus feats, familiar enhancements, and so forth. It's not "slumming it" to pick up wizard levels if you've already maxed out WoHS levels. Most, if not all, high-level Wizards of High Sorcery have more than just the bare minimum of wizard levels. Cheers, Cam