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#1 jrblasingame Mar 10, 2004 14:23:15	I'm just wondering if we will ever find out what exactly happened to the KingPriest. I mean he was responsible for the Cataclysm (for the most part), and that is way worse than what Soth did and he became a Death Knight. Did some "transformation" happen to the KingPriest because of his arrogance, and his demands of the gods? I mean Paladine stated flatly that the KingPriest wouldn't be forgiven (at least not at that moment), so was there some sort of punishment for him? I mean Rennard (from the Legend of Huma) got seriously punished for his transgressions and they don't compare with what the KingPriest did either.... So what do you guys and gals think happened to the KingPriest? and do you think it will ever be revieled what happened to him?
#2 iltharanos Mar 10, 2004 14:46:11	Hmm. I remember seeing a paragraph in either Chronicles or Legends where it mentioned that the Kingpriest and all his courtiers were transported to the Abyss right before Istar was destroyed and spent the rest of eternity being tortured, maimed, and played with by Takhisis and her minions.
#3 jrblasingame Mar 10, 2004 15:32:44	Well I don't remember that particular verse or phrase, but I do believe that since Ariakas (sp) had the KingPriest's crown of power that that is very possible.
#4 zombiegleemax Mar 11, 2004 21:22:21	Originally posted by JRBlasingame I'm just wondering if we will ever find out what exactly happened to the KingPriest. I mean he was responsible for the Cataclysm (for the most part), and that is way worse than what Soth did and he became a Death Knight. Did some "transformation" happen to the KingPriest because of his arrogance, and his demands of the gods? I mean Paladine stated flatly that the KingPriest wouldn't be forgiven (at least not at that moment), so was there some sort of punishment for him? I mean Rennard (from the Legend of Huma) got seriously punished for his transgressions and they don't compare with what the KingPriest did either.... So what do you guys and gals think happened to the KingPriest? and do you think it will ever be revieled what happened to him? THats a hard call. When Soth fell, he knew exactly what he did to get himself to that point and at no point did he ever regret what he failed to do, ie when he failed to save his son from the fire. In Book 3 of the Kingpriest trilogy, The KingPriest at the very end knows what he did was wrong and see's why. He never actually embraces evil into his heart, and is in total pennance and never rejects what he did. Even at the end, the Kingpriest, despite being as misguided as he was, was trying to advocate the powers of good. So, I do believe based on how the Kingpriest ended his life at the end, that Paladine has an obligation in the end to protect his clerics that do serve him and as such, I think he had an obligation to bring the Kingpriest to his realm, at a minimum, to safegaurd him from Takhisis. But...this is the DragonLance world, where the gods of good punish those that fail them by transforming them into powers of unspeakable evil; and where when the gods of evil punish their followers the same way........ So based on what Soth did to become a DreadKnight, I almost don't see how the Kingpriest can't not be transformed into something even more powerfull, albiet I don't know how as the KingPriest never actually became 'evil' in his deeds in his life. If Iltharos's theory were to pan out, I guess when Raistlin appeared in teh Abyss, it was a godo thing, as it saved them from eternal torment as the books make it clear that Raistlin destroyed mos tof what Takhisis had to throw at him in that epic battle.
#5 Charles_Phipps Mar 11, 2004 21:58:25	Maybe I'm imagining things but I believe the Constabulary of the Condemned put the Kingpriest's soul away along with Fistandalius' soul in his 'magic bottles'
#6 zombiegleemax Mar 13, 2004 10:38:46	Originally posted by Charles Phipps Maybe I'm imagining things but I believe the Constabulary of the Condemned put the Kingpriest's soul away along with Fistandalius' soul in his 'magic bottles' I am not sure that Fistandantilus had a soul to put anywhere, as it is clear to me that Raistlin absorbed Fistandantilus soul and his power into him. As a result, I am not sure there was anything of Fistandantilus left to absorb by the time Raist was finished
#7 darthsylver Mar 13, 2004 11:42:50	Where is this constable of the condemmed mentioned? I don't recall ever haring of it.
#8 Charles_Phipps Mar 13, 2004 11:53:43	He's a lowly Abishani. He is little more than a bureaucrat who watches ove the magic bottles.
#9 talinthas Mar 13, 2004 12:02:56	you don't know the constable? that means you havent read the single best dragonlance book ever, _LORD TOADE_...
#10 darthsylver Mar 13, 2004 12:34:03	I got through about 2 or 3 chapters of that book and put it down. Kinda got bored with it.
#11 zombiegleemax Mar 13, 2004 14:49:54	Darthsylver....pick it back up....trust us when we say it is worth it....I think it was the first DL comedy.....just takes a bit off warmup time...thats all
#12 zombiegleemax Mar 14, 2004 3:43:23	Definatly read that book meng, you wont regret it...
#13 lord_donnachie Mar 14, 2004 18:00:20	the kingpriest is now an arch list and it is up to your pcs to destory him once and for all!
#14 zombiegleemax Mar 14, 2004 19:23:50	Personally, and if there is anything to dispute it please show it to me so I can correct myself....but as far as my game world goes I have ruled that the gods ended the Kingpriest's existence altogether....as punishment for his arrogant demands of them.
#15 zombiegleemax Mar 14, 2004 22:25:31	The way I see it, the ending of the Kingpriest trilogy is crap. Well...not crap...I haven't actually read it, so I shouldn't dismiss it like that. But from what I'm told of it, Paladine and the Kingpriest are totally out of character how I understand them. The Kingpriest wouldn't realize his sins until the mountain was about to impact, MAYBE. Even then, he might have thought in his insanity (I can't think of a better word for it) that it was the gods of good coming down to help him strike down evil. And, dude, if he DID realize and beg forgiveness, I'm not sure Paladine would have it in his heart to deny to him totally. If you'll remember, when Caramon and Tas ended up in Krynn's future when Raist went all god-like, when Raistlin and Paladine fought, I THINK that Paladine pulled a few of his punches, in a way. Maybe. Or something like that. Oh, and I've been thinking about Soth and all that...and I'll say something about him another time. Gotta go. Night!
#16 zombiegleemax Mar 15, 2004 21:02:45	Originally posted by Wraith 5 The way I see it, the ending of the Kingpriest trilogy is crap. Well...not crap...I haven't actually read it, so I shouldn't dismiss it like that. But from what I'm told of it, Paladine and the Kingpriest are totally out of character how I understand them. The Kingpriest wouldn't realize his sins until the mountain was about to impact, MAYBE. Even then, he might have thought in his insanity (I can't think of a better word for it) that it was the gods of good coming down to help him strike down evil. And, dude, if he DID realize and beg forgiveness, I'm not sure Paladine would have it in his heart to deny to him totally. If you'll remember, when Caramon and Tas ended up in Krynn's future when Raist went all god-like, when Raistlin and Paladine fought, I THINK that Paladine pulled a few of his punches, in a way. Maybe. Or something like that. Oh, and I've been thinking about Soth and all that...and I'll say something about him another time. Gotta go. Night! I see two things. Based on how Paladine was in the CHRONICLES series, and the ridiculous buffoon he was, I think that before the Cataclysm, Paladine was all too happy with trying to 'move the balance' to the Light, so to speak and I don't think he thought the KingPriest would ever go thru with what he had planned. I think that as the balance shifted, it forced the powers of Darkness and Neutrallity together to restore the balance. Takhisis was barred from returning to Krynn because of Huma and Paladine knew it and was all too happy to see this and knew he had 'evil by its tail', so to speak. As the KingPriest's end drew closer, Takhisis and Gillean no doubt forced the issue that they would 'unmake Krynn' and thus allow Takhisis to return of the world if the KingPriest went thru with what he demanded. And perhaps Paladine did not, up untill those very last instants where he actually heard what the KingPriest demanded, that Paladine had no cholice to do what he did. As far as how it ended for the Kingpriest....well, he never renounces good for evil like Soth did. That has to count for something, and by that, based on how Paladine described the KingPriest in DRAGONS OF SPRING DAWNING, that perhaps Paladine took the Kingpriest's soul in death to his realm. Maybe we are not supposed to know. The book does deal a little with the fact that Fistandantillus originally wanted the KingPriest to go with him into the Portol to the Abyss, but realized that the KingPriest was not the one. I don't understand this, as if Crystannia was able to open the Porto, then so surely could the KingPriest. I guess it would not matter, as the KingPriest lost his powers in those last few seconds of Ishtar, but if he had not, perhaps the KingPriest woudl have been the ideal person for Fistandantillus to bring with him into the future and not Denubis. oh well.