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War in Heaven and death?

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#1
bort333_dup
Mar 11, 2004 18:29:40 What happens if devils invade heaven... and a celistial is killed?

I mean does its soul go poof? Or does it become a petitonier or what?
#2
ripvanwormer
Mar 11, 2004 18:59:25 Officially, they go poof. Outsiders can be neither raised nor resurrected. Their spirit becomes one with their plane.

That's what happens to petitioners who die, too. Nearly all of the celestials in the Seven Heavens are made from petitioners, anyway, so the question is equally valid for all outsiders there.

There are alternatives - the raise outsider spell in the Manual of the Planes, for example. But generally, the celestial becomes one with their home plane, is given an impressive funeral and tomb, and a lesser celestial is promoted to serve instead.
#3
bort333_dup
Mar 11, 2004 19:40:41 Hmm but True Resserection can raise outsiders.
#4
sildatorak
Mar 12, 2004 13:53:30 The Planescape line goes that if an exemplar is slain on its home plane it merges with the plane and is forever "dead." If it is slain somewhere else, its material body is disrupted and its spirit flees to its home plane where it forms a new body (and faces a potential demotion depending on what sort of outsider it is). You can prevent the spirit from fleeing by eating the corpse within 24 hours, I think...it's detailed in Hellbound.
#5
ripvanwormer
Mar 12, 2004 23:26:37
Originally posted by Bort333
Hmm but True Resserection can raise outsiders.

Yes, that's another option. In that case, the spell must create a new body for the outsider from the essence of its plane, and somehow cause its personality to emerge from planar oneness.

As Sildatorak mentions, extremely powerful fiends can often do this without a spell, clawing their way from the abyssal earth, painstakingly recreating themselves from virtually nothing - but only if they died off plane. Perhaps some powerful celestials can do the same.

Minor fiends are just dead.

The rule about eating your opponents to prevent them from reforming only applies to nupperibos and the like, which have regeneration powers. It won't work to keep a balor from returning after a century or so to wreak its vengence.

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#1 bort333_dup Mar 11, 2004 18:29:40	What happens if devils invade heaven... and a celistial is killed? I mean does its soul go poof? Or does it become a petitonier or what?
#2 ripvanwormer Mar 11, 2004 18:59:25	Officially, they go poof. Outsiders can be neither raised nor resurrected. Their spirit becomes one with their plane. That's what happens to petitioners who die, too. Nearly all of the celestials in the Seven Heavens are made from petitioners, anyway, so the question is equally valid for all outsiders there. There are alternatives - the raise outsider spell in the Manual of the Planes, for example. But generally, the celestial becomes one with their home plane, is given an impressive funeral and tomb, and a lesser celestial is promoted to serve instead.
#3 bort333_dup Mar 11, 2004 19:40:41	Hmm but True Resserection can raise outsiders.
#4 sildatorak Mar 12, 2004 13:53:30	The Planescape line goes that if an exemplar is slain on its home plane it merges with the plane and is forever "dead." If it is slain somewhere else, its material body is disrupted and its spirit flees to its home plane where it forms a new body (and faces a potential demotion depending on what sort of outsider it is). You can prevent the spirit from fleeing by eating the corpse within 24 hours, I think...it's detailed in Hellbound.
#5 ripvanwormer Mar 12, 2004 23:26:37	Originally posted by Bort333 Hmm but True Resserection can raise outsiders. Yes, that's another option. In that case, the spell must create a new body for the outsider from the essence of its plane, and somehow cause its personality to emerge from planar oneness. As Sildatorak mentions, extremely powerful fiends can often do this without a spell, clawing their way from the abyssal earth, painstakingly recreating themselves from virtually nothing - but only if they died off plane. Perhaps some powerful celestials can do the same. Minor fiends are just dead. The rule about eating your opponents to prevent them from reforming only applies to nupperibos and the like, which have regeneration powers. It won't work to keep a balor from returning after a century or so to wreak its vengence.