What to do with the lack of Drow - Downloaded from the Wizards Community, all coding removed by Solauren

What to do with the lack of Drow

Post/Author/DateTime Post
#1
zombiegleemax
Mar 12, 2004 9:59:06 I understand people have strong opinions on the lack of drow in Dragonlance, but there are replacements. If you absolutely must have black skinned evil crazies in your campaign, check out the Nzunta from the Otherlands supplement- its available as a free download in the Wizards archive. They're a pretty mean and evil bunch, and you can do many Drow-like plots with them.
#2
cam_banks
Mar 12, 2004 10:09:19 I have a much better replacement, but it will have to wait.

Cheers,
Cam
#3
iltharanos
Mar 12, 2004 10:53:46
Originally posted by Cam Banks
I have a much better replacement, but it will have to wait.

Cheers,
Cam

Dark gully dwarves?

Hehe.
#4
Dragonhelm
Mar 12, 2004 11:10:23
Originally posted by Nox11
I understand people have strong opinions on the lack of drow in Dragonlance, but there are replacements. If you absolutely must have black skinned evil crazies in your campaign, check out the Nzunta from the Otherlands supplement- its available as a free download in the Wizards archive. They're a pretty mean and evil bunch, and you can do many Drow-like plots with them.

The Nzunta are an ogre race. If memory serves, they live on a far-off island, or some such. I think a spelljamming vessel crashed there.

Really, if a person wants drow in Dragonlance, they could easily import them. As they live in the underdark, one merely has to put an underdark in Krynn. They could have easily been separated from the surface world for ages. Perhaps the Cataclysm opened up passageways to the surface, but the drow are only now traveling there. You can even give them a cheesy DL name – Drowinesti. Lol

I could see them being a subrace of elves that are cursed by Paladine for their betrayal. Or perhaps they worship Takhisis (a fairly natural replacement for Lolth). To add a twist, one could have some drow worship Majere (since one of his symbols is that of a copper spider).

So anyway, if one wants to use drow, they’re easily imported. If one wants to use something more DL-specific, there are a couple of options.

Whatever the case, just have fun.
#5
zombiegleemax
Mar 12, 2004 11:20:22
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
The Nzunta are an ogre race. If memory serves, they live on a far-off island, or some such. I think a spelljamming vessel crashed there.

Really, if a person wants drow in Dragonlance, they could easily import them.

Actually the reason I offered them as a replacement is because they represent in my mind atleast the niche the drow fill in the realms- that of highly intelligent, cunning, and scheming evil doers. I think the main villains in dragonlane don't really fit that description too well. Draconians and Ogres are too undisciplined and unintelligent, and while Chromatics can have all of those traits, they are more suitable as single masterminds than a racial plot.

The black robes have those qualities, but isnce there first loyalty is to magic and not evil, I don't think they count as villians like the dragonarmies did.
#6
The_White_Sorcerer
Mar 12, 2004 11:20:22
Originally posted by Cam Banks
I have a much better replacement, but it will have to wait.

Cam... You're evil. Is this something we might be seeing in the Bestiary? Why must you torment us?
#7
Dragonhelm
Mar 12, 2004 11:39:55
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
Cam... You're evil.

Indeed he is!

Is this something we might be seeing in the Bestiary? Why must you torment us?

Because he's evil!

While he claims to come from New Zealand, the truth of the matter is that he is the child of a great and powerful demon lord, known as Deet-wen-tee.

While disguised as a game designer, in fact he is trying to subjugate the masses to his evil will. He uses such tactics as posting hints that may elude to the Bestiary, or may refer to something totally different.

Just kidding, Cam! Ya know we love ya! :inlove:
#8
zombiegleemax
Mar 12, 2004 12:48:01 Dark Kender?

Seems obvious, really...

;)
#9
iltharanos
Mar 12, 2004 15:09:47
Originally posted by Cessna182
Dark Kender?

Seems obvious, really...

;)

I'm betting on Dark aghar whose incredible stupidity is outbalanced by the dark machinations of the Dark tinker gnomes, whose first invention will be an automated printer that requires constant maintenance and the occasional body slam to work.
#10
kipper_snifferdoo_02
Mar 12, 2004 15:23:07 Why not just use Theiwar dwarves? They use magic, live in deep dark places and are truly malicious. They fit the "highly intelligent, cunning, and scheming evil doers" mold. Heck, you could make a separate kingdom for them like Kayolin. Theiwarbardin :D
#11
The_White_Sorcerer
Mar 12, 2004 16:13:09
Originally posted by Cessna182
Dark Kender?

:OMG!
That idea is so absurd and insane that I'm definately going to use it.
Oh yes, greedy kender who made an unholy pact with Hiddukel, the nemesis of Branchala the God of Kender, and were banished into [insert creepy place here]. [evil laugh]
#12
zombiegleemax
Mar 12, 2004 20:21:52 Evil kender! Woo hoo! *does evil giggle*
-Tas's Wannabe
#13
zombiegleemax
Mar 12, 2004 22:49:12 Yo. Jacen's brother Wraith here. Too lazy to log out of his account.

Anyway, just wanted to remind people of the short story with the SCARY evil gnome that had managed to invent the Krynnish version of an atomic explosive. ...*thinks about the pure evilness of the gnome*...AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!! *runs away*
#14
zombiegleemax
Mar 20, 2004 17:06:11 Drow appear in the 1991 module Wild Elves, as immigrants from another world on a crashed spelljammer.
#15
zombiegleemax
Mar 20, 2004 17:26:44 I am already using Afflicted Kender as super bad rangers and rogue assassins. It just seems that if afflicted Kender can be scared, they would overcompensate by being the scary ones.

Just my nasty little twist on everybody's favorite race.;)
#16
zombiegleemax
Mar 20, 2004 17:31:04 I believe the lack of drow on Krynn will be answered in an upcoming sourcebook featuring a normal cow with the half-dragon template.
#17
zombiegleemax
Mar 22, 2004 12:47:06 i dont know the english words in dragonlance, but aint that thing raistlin battles in the... uhm... "tower of the high magic"(???) somewhat like a drow? just much more powerfull?
#18
cam_banks
Mar 22, 2004 12:49:21
Originally posted by Jeppe
i dont know the english words in dragonlance, but aint that thing raistlin battles in the... uhm... "tower of the high magic"(???) somewhat like a drow? just much more powerfull?

Nope. It was a dark elf, yes, but not a dark-skinned subterranean spider-worshiping ambidextrous elf like the drow are in other worlds. In Dragonlance, it's just an elf who's been cast out of society for being a very bad elf indeed.

Cheers,
Cam
#19
zombiegleemax
Mar 22, 2004 12:51:54 okay! (and stupid little me who thought that the outcast of elf society werent the same kind of elves as the one raistlin battled!)

(behold the great beholder)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Mar 12, 2004 9:59:06	I understand people have strong opinions on the lack of drow in Dragonlance, but there are replacements. If you absolutely must have black skinned evil crazies in your campaign, check out the Nzunta from the Otherlands supplement- its available as a free download in the Wizards archive. They're a pretty mean and evil bunch, and you can do many Drow-like plots with them.
#2 cam_banks Mar 12, 2004 10:09:19	I have a much better replacement, but it will have to wait. Cheers, Cam
#3 iltharanos Mar 12, 2004 10:53:46	Originally posted by Cam Banks I have a much better replacement, but it will have to wait. Cheers, Cam Dark gully dwarves? Hehe.
#4 Dragonhelm Mar 12, 2004 11:10:23	Originally posted by Nox11 I understand people have strong opinions on the lack of drow in Dragonlance, but there are replacements. If you absolutely must have black skinned evil crazies in your campaign, check out the Nzunta from the Otherlands supplement- its available as a free download in the Wizards archive. They're a pretty mean and evil bunch, and you can do many Drow-like plots with them. The Nzunta are an ogre race. If memory serves, they live on a far-off island, or some such. I think a spelljamming vessel crashed there. Really, if a person wants drow in Dragonlance, they could easily import them. As they live in the underdark, one merely has to put an underdark in Krynn. They could have easily been separated from the surface world for ages. Perhaps the Cataclysm opened up passageways to the surface, but the drow are only now traveling there. You can even give them a cheesy DL name – Drowinesti. Lol I could see them being a subrace of elves that are cursed by Paladine for their betrayal. Or perhaps they worship Takhisis (a fairly natural replacement for Lolth). To add a twist, one could have some drow worship Majere (since one of his symbols is that of a copper spider). So anyway, if one wants to use drow, they’re easily imported. If one wants to use something more DL-specific, there are a couple of options. Whatever the case, just have fun.
#5 zombiegleemax Mar 12, 2004 11:20:22	Originally posted by Dragonhelm The Nzunta are an ogre race. If memory serves, they live on a far-off island, or some such. I think a spelljamming vessel crashed there. Really, if a person wants drow in Dragonlance, they could easily import them. Actually the reason I offered them as a replacement is because they represent in my mind atleast the niche the drow fill in the realms- that of highly intelligent, cunning, and scheming evil doers. I think the main villains in dragonlane don't really fit that description too well. Draconians and Ogres are too undisciplined and unintelligent, and while Chromatics can have all of those traits, they are more suitable as single masterminds than a racial plot. The black robes have those qualities, but isnce there first loyalty is to magic and not evil, I don't think they count as villians like the dragonarmies did.
#6 The_White_Sorcerer Mar 12, 2004 11:20:22	Originally posted by Cam Banks I have a much better replacement, but it will have to wait. Cam... You're evil. Is this something we might be seeing in the Bestiary? Why must you torment us?
#7 Dragonhelm Mar 12, 2004 11:39:55	Originally posted by The White Sorcerer Cam... You're evil. Indeed he is! Is this something we might be seeing in the Bestiary? Why must you torment us? Because he's evil! While he claims to come from New Zealand, the truth of the matter is that he is the child of a great and powerful demon lord, known as Deet-wen-tee. While disguised as a game designer, in fact he is trying to subjugate the masses to his evil will. He uses such tactics as posting hints that may elude to the Bestiary, or may refer to something totally different. Just kidding, Cam! Ya know we love ya! :inlove:
#8 zombiegleemax Mar 12, 2004 12:48:01	Dark Kender? Seems obvious, really... ;)
#9 iltharanos Mar 12, 2004 15:09:47	Originally posted by Cessna182 Dark Kender? Seems obvious, really... ;) I'm betting on Dark aghar whose incredible stupidity is outbalanced by the dark machinations of the Dark tinker gnomes, whose first invention will be an automated printer that requires constant maintenance and the occasional body slam to work.
#10 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Mar 12, 2004 15:23:07	Why not just use Theiwar dwarves? They use magic, live in deep dark places and are truly malicious. They fit the "highly intelligent, cunning, and scheming evil doers" mold. Heck, you could make a separate kingdom for them like Kayolin. Theiwarbardin :D
#11 The_White_Sorcerer Mar 12, 2004 16:13:09	Originally posted by Cessna182 Dark Kender? :OMG! That idea is so absurd and insane that I'm definately going to use it. Oh yes, greedy kender who made an unholy pact with Hiddukel, the nemesis of Branchala the God of Kender, and were banished into [insert creepy place here]. [evil laugh]
#12 zombiegleemax Mar 12, 2004 20:21:52	Evil kender! Woo hoo! does evil giggle -Tas's Wannabe
#13 zombiegleemax Mar 12, 2004 22:49:12	Yo. Jacen's brother Wraith here. Too lazy to log out of his account. Anyway, just wanted to remind people of the short story with the SCARY evil gnome that had managed to invent the Krynnish version of an atomic explosive. ...thinks about the pure evilness of the gnome...AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!! runs away
#14 zombiegleemax Mar 20, 2004 17:06:11	Drow appear in the 1991 module Wild Elves, as immigrants from another world on a crashed spelljammer.
#15 zombiegleemax Mar 20, 2004 17:26:44	I am already using Afflicted Kender as super bad rangers and rogue assassins. It just seems that if afflicted Kender can be scared, they would overcompensate by being the scary ones. Just my nasty little twist on everybody's favorite race.;)
#16 zombiegleemax Mar 20, 2004 17:31:04	I believe the lack of drow on Krynn will be answered in an upcoming sourcebook featuring a normal cow with the half-dragon template.
#17 zombiegleemax Mar 22, 2004 12:47:06	i dont know the english words in dragonlance, but aint that thing raistlin battles in the... uhm... "tower of the high magic"(???) somewhat like a drow? just much more powerfull?
#18 cam_banks Mar 22, 2004 12:49:21	Originally posted by Jeppe i dont know the english words in dragonlance, but aint that thing raistlin battles in the... uhm... "tower of the high magic"(???) somewhat like a drow? just much more powerfull? Nope. It was a dark elf, yes, but not a dark-skinned subterranean spider-worshiping ambidextrous elf like the drow are in other worlds. In Dragonlance, it's just an elf who's been cast out of society for being a very bad elf indeed. Cheers, Cam
#19 zombiegleemax Mar 22, 2004 12:51:54	okay! (and stupid little me who thought that the outcast of elf society werent the same kind of elves as the one raistlin battled!) (behold the great beholder)