http://www.darksunrising.info
I will add your site to the HUGEST Ds links site on the web. yeah.... again I am soooo great ! :D
:pile:
I hope to see more of your work in the future!
Once.
Don't let it happen again, kapeesh?
You have to make Kurn and Eldaarich for the Lost Cities official document.
Had you seen my suggestion about your general map from another thread?
there's a preciser map of the region of Kalidnay in "Merchant House of Amketch" (Village of Red Obelisk, Rumish Rock, Ruins of Three Rocks, etc.) Maybe there's some elements to add here...
And if you're interested, I've done a map of Urik (quiet different from the one of Brax)... If you want it, I mail it to you.
But I can't find anymore the key...
Personaly I find the descriptions of Urik in The Crimson Legion, Arcane Shadow or The Dragon Crown quiet poor... maybe someone have found better source of information...?
Nefal
Originally posted by Nefal
there's a preciser map of the region of Kalidnay in "Merchant House of Amketch" (Village of Red Obelisk, Rumish Rock, Ruins of Three Rocks, etc.) Maybe there's some elements to add here..
Could you please give me a little more info on the area around Kalidnay. I am VERY interested in learning what others have written about that area.
Originally posted by Ral of Tyr
Could you please give me a little more info on the area around Kalidnay. I am VERY interested in learning what others have written about that area.
OK... but maybe you would be deceived... I send you the map but here it's the descriptions of the places (you can find them in Merchant-House of Amketch-IMHO one of the best adventure for DS-actually I plan to expand it and do a real campaign... I'll post soon a sypnosis)
So... Red Obelisk:
"Red Obelisk is a tiny oasis at the edge of a white salt pan. An ancient rune-covered monument of red stone marks the site of a clear, cold spring. About 70 or 80 dwarves and humans eke out a living in the small fertile area, but there is little of interest in the village itself. However, Red Obelisk is regularly visited by the deep desert tribes, who come here to trade. Their hides, feathers, livestock, and gemstones command high prices in the city-states, so several merchant houses maintain smal outposts here to trade with them."
BAKER III, L. Richard, Merchant House of Amketch. A Dark Sun Campaign Adventure. Dungeon Master Book. Lake Geneva, TSR Inc., 1993.
Three Rocks is a gith camp... there is a map but no real description...
Shom Camp has no description
And of course, the most interesting, the village of Rumish Rock has no description at all and it isn't even quoted in the adventure...
However I hope it helps!
Nefal
I too am working on a map around the ruins of Kalidnay and I would like to know it's location to incorporate it in the map of the region.
I am thinking the Red Obelisk marks the site of a bloody battle in which Kalidnay fought and won.
Concerning the map... send me an email at etienne.guerry[at]gmx.net... I send you a scan... it will be simplier!
See you
I don't have the book here with me at the moment, so can't give all the little details.
The House Vordon comes from Kalidnay! but has no more links with these ruins... it seems...
Do you plan to do anymore new areas for Athas besides the area east of the silt sea?
after-thought, what programs do people use to view these maps? I make them in Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Illustrator, But it is so much easier to view them with ACDSee. The problem with ACDSee is its not free. Does anyone know of a good image viewer that is freeware?
As far as which style I like best, I prefer the key with the map version, though I guess the seperate version would work too. I could always just hold onto the key as the DM, and if the players have a question about distance I gave give them the info.
/me shrugs
Also looking for good freeware image program. Ho hum...
Anyhow, great job on Gulg too.
City-State of Nibenay V 1.2 is now online
Ok, here is a comments. I hope you wont be mad at me.
While I know I wouldnt be able to do better, I still have some insight in might I would like to share.I seem to me that your maps, as they are, dont give me that athasian feeling I am seeking, why :
- Too much flashy and very differents colors. Make me feel like returning 10 years old with no tones, just blue, red, yellow colors in my animal book
.- More dusty (plug-in "grain" ?) colors, like if they would be a bit erased by the sand of time. Do you follow? Might be hard time for me to explain in english here hum...
I hope you dont take it bad.
Originally posted by Cyrus9a
First I'd like to thank anyone who responded to my previous post. And second, I have updated my Nibenay map to match my Gulg map in an effort to standardize my city-state maps. I have also labeled the Noble's Cemetary which I neglected to do in V1.0.
City-State of Nibenay V 1.2 is now online
Was writing my post while you posted yours. Just looked at v1.2 and it feel better, but then again, the colors could be faded more. IMO. More brown types colors.
Without it, I can't get better. I have to admit, your very observant, I didn't bother to tell anyone that I forgot to "dull" my colors in Nibenay V 1.0 because I didn't think anyone would notice. I did dull them for V 1.2. I, also, was concerned my colors were to bright and unathasian. I am trying to use web-safe colors in my maps and I am limited to only a few hundred colors because of this. Also, I have to use distinct colors so they aren't confused with other colors. Not to mention with my background color I have a problem using dark browns, yellows and oranges or they clash. Maybe I'll come up with a different color scheme in the future.Originally posted by Kamelion
I love the colours. They are striking, fresh, original and an immediate aid to seeing what kind of building is where, imho. When I look at those maps, I don't find myself thinking "Aah yes, there's that old Athasian look", I find myself thinking "Wow! Dark Sun reborn!"
Kind of like a new Dark Sun Rising! :D
That is the reason I chose the colors I did. I always find it difficult to make out the little red dividing lines used in the original maps.
I hope no one thinks I'm crazy, but try as I might I have no clue what imho means! I see it all the time.
Originally posted by Cyrus9a
Kind of like a new Dark Sun Rising! :D
Exactly - heh heh.
I hope no one thinks I'm crazy, but try as I might I have no clue what imho means! I see it all the time.
Heh - easily done. Trollbill has this enormous list of terms and abbreviations
. Very cool.Also the one with the huge palace with at the front of the image 2 kreen guards and a couple of giant poted plants.
Can't find it...
I love the topograhical maps. I can give them my players and they can explore the world for themeself by using their skills. No more silly questions like "what does this point mean?"(pointing on Pristine Tower) no more "We are out of water" - "Let's go to next oasis".
As suggestion:
Maybe you could add some/the paths for the Silt Skimmers in the Sea of Silt (City by the Sea Silt p.25).
As question:
Do city states have temples of elements? I allways thought, that elemental clerics don't build temples and that the SKs wouldn't allow adoring other divinities in their citys.
As suggestion:
Maybe you could add some/the paths for the Silt Skimmers in the Sea of Silt
I have thought about doing that. When I'm done mapping the city states I'm going to continue work on my giant world map and I think I will put it on that map. If I like it enough, I might add it to my regular sized maps as well.
As question:
Do city states have temples of elements? I allways thought, that elemental clerics don't build temples and that the SKs wouldn't allow adoring other divinities in their citys.
I just finished work on the map of Draj for Athas.org (to be released with CSoD 3.5) and it has elemental temples. I don't think the SKs have problems with it. I have not put much thought into it, but there are several examples published in the official material of temples in the cities.
Do city states have temples of elements? I allways thought, that elemental clerics don't build temples and that the SKs wouldn't allow adoring other divinities in their citys.
Most of the city states have at least one if not more temples devoted to a particular element (but not every city has one devoted to every element). These entirely 'open' displays of personal power though are likely as fraught with hardship as anyone else in a city-state is. They get roughed up and jailed by templars, routinely have their temple goods confiscated, pay heavy taxes, have their higher ranking members get arrested and executed on trumped up or entirely false charges. All to keep them from getting too big or too powerful. Granted, a few may work in co-op with the SKs or other important city factions. Some may be little more than shrines with semi-regular priests who come and speak to the masses. Also, don't forget the para-elements. some would have a toe-hod in different cities (like the silt church in Balic that worked closely with the Balican Navy, or the magma priests in Urik that help with the mining of obsidian from the Smoing Crown by melting and resolidifying large chunks o obsidian).
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Originally posted by Cyrus9a
On a side note: Does anyone else feel that Dark Sun is the most popular dead world by TSR/Wizards?
Aside from RL and DL which are no longer "dead", I would have to agree.
(Not sure, but looks like there's a typo in Akaracle. Sorry to nitpick
).
Of course such a design leads to a small harbour. Does anyone think the harbour should be outside the city maybe like ancient Athens, only closer? Or should it be in the city? If the 2nd option, the tip of the city may be pointing out into the water. Of course I could have the city walls mapped incorrectly. Anyone have any suggestions?
I corrected the misspelling of Akarakle in the Morghaz map (thanks Kamelion).
sorry bout double post
Originally posted by Cyrus9a
I am looking into producing a Green Age Giustenal and am looking for input. From what I can tell about the city from the maps, the following image might be the outline of the city.
Of course such a design leads to a small harbour. Does anyone think the harbour should be outside the city maybe like ancient Athens, only closer? Or should it be in the city? If the 2nd option, the tip of the city may be pointing out into the water. Of course I could have the city walls mapped incorrectly. Anyone have any suggestions?
I corrected the misspelling of Akarakle in the Morghaz map (thanks Kamelion).
I have a map of the current Giustenal I found somewhere on the internet. If you want, I can email it to you. Remember that during the Green Age, the land could support a larger population. The city was much larger and I wouldn't be surprised if much of the population lived just outside the walls in an unwalled area. You can keep that shape and say it is the orginal city and add second and thrid walls, preferable to the sea of silt, so the they will be buried by now. Be sure to add numerous villages around the city. In times of war, they abandon their huts and move into the walls of the city.
Perhaps there should be two harbors. A small on inside the city used for government and noble shipping, while a much larget one outside the city for merchant and commoner use.
Do you care to elaborate on it?
Btw, this is your best map to date! The green fields surrounding the city are extremely beautiful.
I also want to note that the new map was created with Gabriel's help.
Pennarin:
Its a zillion times better than the old map, of course, but I don't see why you changed the layout though.
Thanks for the response. I am assuming you mean my remake of Two Moon City, if not please correct me. Mostly I remade Two Moon City according to my personal preferences and my use of sources spread throughout various Dark Sun publications. My version as opposed to the version specifically for www.athas.org does not merge the Palace of Gladitorial combat with the Great Pyramid. This was done according to my interpretation of applicable documents including The City-State of Draj and The Complete Gladiator's Handbook. I offer it to the Dark Sun community only as a variant map of Draj. As a note, the official map has not yet been published. I hope I answered the question to your satisfaction!
Originally posted by Cyrus9a
As a note, the official map has not yet been published. I hope I answered the question to your satisfaction!
If I understand correctly, DSR will make an official map of Draj with the same font of details and colors as it did for Nibenay?
The map in CSoD is thus like a kind of preview of the final map, and we can assume it will look pretty nearly the same as the current map of Draj on your site?
Originally posted by Cyrus9a
I hope that helps!
Yoopie! Yes it does!
1. I have added a border
2. Image size was increased slightly
3. I have removed the Papyrus font due to it being a commercial font
4. Updated a few of the terrain colors
5. Added new 3d effects to various terrain features
For those who want to compare the 2 versions, version 1.0 can still be found on the "Maps" page. Please post your comments and complaints.
.Originally posted by Cyrus9a
My new Tyr Region v2.0 is now online on my "New Maps" page (see signature). I hope everyone likes it. It matches with the Jagged Cliffs Region v2.0 map released earlier today. And if anyone finds any misspellings, omissions, or the like please let me know.
I'm not sure if it's an omission, or just something that changed due to timeline stuff (I'm running a 3E campaign using my maps from my old DS boxed set), but my cloth map has "Mira's Halo" northeast of Kled (listed in Dune Trader as well), and also 2 unnamed oases northeast of there towards Urik. Did these go away in the official timeline? I am not as well versed with the "10 years later" timeline as the original couple of years, so it might just be that.
To be honest though, I have to admit, Mira's Halo doesn't make much sense. It's listed as a caravan waypoint. But unless I'm wrong, under 3E overland movement rules, it would take way longer to go via Mira's Halo to Urik than it would be to just take the roads the whole way. I think it made sense under 2E movement, but with 3E's terrain modifiers, you're moving at 1/2 movement the moment you leave the road through all those sandy wastes.
EDIT:
And one more. Has Ledo disappeared? (the mountainous island between North and South Ledopolus, in the middle of the Estuary of the Forked Tongue).
From Dune Trader:
"The twin villages of North and South Ledopolus sit on opposite sides of the Big Fork of the Forked Tongue Estuary. These dwarf communities employ silt skimmers to cross the estuary, providing a faster trade route between the ivory Triangle and points south. In addition to skimmers, the dwarves are building stone pathways to the mountainous island of Ledo. These pathways are very close to being completed."
Just not marked, but assumed there? Just wondering. Your maps really are excellent, I'm right now modifying one to give to my players (just cutting out sections of stuff they shouldn't know about).
We are using your maps all the time - the one of Raam arrived just in time for a visit there a couple of sessions ago. The new versions with the hexes should be even more useful.I'd also agree that a close-up view of the Tablelands central region would a good idea in order to reduce clutter on the large-scale maps.
Originally posted by Cyrus9a
Thanks for all the excellent feedback Dyslexia. What I think I may have to do due to the congestion of sites throughout the Tablelands is make a map of the Tablelands. That way I can place some of these sights in there and label more of the terrain formations. I originally had more labelled in the V1.0 map but felt that it was just too much. Hopefully I can have this map by the end of today or tommorrow.
Wow, talk about quick response to feedback
By the way, one other minor thing, might just be due to the larger size of the map, but Kled seems to be a bit off in it's position. Looking at my cloth map (I need to find my large non-cloth map; the cloth looks cool but the other map is more readable ;)) it should be slightly west/northwest of where it is. Specifically, it's supposed to be fully surrounded by rocky badlands, while your large map is it sitting sort of on the border of the sandy wastes and rocky badlands. If you need, I can take some high res digital photos of the map I have for reference, but I'm going to go ahead and guess you probably already have it ;)
I also will be using your maps in my games once I get a game going that is.
Thanks so much for putting together all these great maps!Me happy Cyrus back
Oh, and it prints almost as nicely, and still quite readable, at 8.5"x11". But I do suggest cropping down to the black border, to get the most readability. (I made the smaller versions to give to the players)
Definately going to have to take dyslexia's advice and get them printed out.
Originally posted by Cyrus9a
I am altering the Ringing Mtns. slighty to butte them up to Desverendl's Valley.
Rajaat's power?
1. Take Cyrus9a's editing power.
2. Multiply the result from above by 2.
Now you've got an approximate value for Rajaat's power! ;)
For those of you that may want them and don't know how to bevel them I'll put them up in that form also. And as for the font, it is freeware from: http://www222.pair.com/sjohn/fonts2.htm and is called "Atlas of the Magi".Speaking of hex maps, I've actually been working on a hex mapping program. When I got a copy of the Dark Sun box set, and found the hex grid version of the Tyr region, I considered making a hex map of the Dark Sun setting. I was curious if anyone here was interested in such a program or maps created from it.
Anyway, the program isn't finished, I'm trying to work out some efficiency issues with the graphics before I implement more features. Here's what you can do with it in the current build:
- You can load and save hex map files.
- You can plot and erase hexes, both singles and in large amounts.
- You can swap between the three layers so borders are on the top, water and roads on the middle, and your base hex layer on the bottom.
- You can do crude thin line drawing
- You can magnify, but the resolution is anti-aliased so it's not much of an improvement.
- You can import bitmap files directly into a layer, that way you can draw up stuff in Paint or some other program and just bring it in.
- A custom hex set is available in both horizontal and vertical alignments, based on the illustrations from the original Expert set rulesbook.
What you can't do:
- Create really big maps effectively. The new map option will accept 127x127 in size maximum, but it starts getting really crappy at 50x50.
- Do any advanced drawing tools, like color swapping, filling, essentially any nice paint program features.
- Export layers as bitmaps.
- Print maps.
- Text labels are not implemented.
- In-program creation of custom hex sets is not implemented.
Because the program is written in C#, you need the .NET framework installed on your system to run it. If you have any of the Visual Studio .NET suites installed, you're good. If not, you'll need to go and download the package:
Microsoft Visual Studio .NET framework
Here's the link to the program, it's 2.8 megabytes:
HexMapper
For Dark Sun, I'd create a new hex set based on the original artwork to give it a unique feel.
Adamantyr
Adamantyr:
My only minor complaint would be that the 3D effects on the terrain and the heavy anti-aliasing make them a little difficult to read.
In my newest maps I have used a new font and I put a glowing border around the text to help you read it. That problem is a pain.
Adamantyr:
Speaking of hex maps, I've actually been working on a hex mapping program.
I downloaded it and have played with it for a few minutes and I like it alot. That is a very nice program. I really like the 3 different layers. I havent seen any other hex mapping programs that did that (or I didn't know they did it!). I think it would be a great help to DMs wanting, needing, area maps quickly. You can always get around your "big map" problem by screenshoting them and then pasting the pieces into a larger map. Do you intend any future versions of your program and are you going to permanetly offer it for download?
Originally posted by Cyrus9a
I downloaded it and have played with it for a few minutes and I like it alot. That is a very nice program. I really like the 3 different layers. I havent seen any other hex mapping programs that did that (or I didn't know they did it!). I think it would be a great help to DMs wanting, needing, area maps quickly. You can always get around your "big map" problem by screenshoting them and then pasting the pieces into a larger map. Do you intend any future versions of your program and are you going to permanetly offer it for download?
Thanks, always nice to get some positive feedback from a fellow cartographer.
And yeah, I really like the program for its ability to make maps quickly and easily, it's really good for original work, as well as recreations of existing maps.My plan, should I finish the program, is to offer it for free download to anyone who wants it. Probably with a "support the starving programmer" option to contribute a few bucks.
The three layers is a trick I learned from making maps by hand. It makes it easier to edit things when you have different things on different layers. Otherwise you have to keep redrawing things if you want to reposition them, text labels are a real nuisance with that. The idea to the trinity of them is one for the hex layer, one for water and roads over top the hexes, and a final layer that's over the hex grid for borders. (Text labels technically constitute a fourth, but they're dynamically placed rather than stored in a bitmap.)
My main problem with the program right now is the graphics. It's annoying how the program slows way down on plotting when the hex map is larger, I should be able to restrict it to the visible area and keep the drawing speed steady. An Undo function is a must, too. I've been working to solve that problem before I add more features. (The drawing tools in paint mode will be a challenge, fill commands aren't easy to code.) I've considered starting over from scratch in C++ instead, but I don't think I'd gain much speed from it, and I'd get more headaches from the switch because C# is better designed for easy Windows application development.
I'll probably be working on it off and on during the summer. I should set up a website for it, I think.
Oh, and apologies to everyone for going slightly OT. Dark Sun rocks!
Adamantyr
.1. Removed the Salt Flats
2. Removed the Dead Forest
3. Filled the Great Rift with Water
4. Ruined and flooded Ur Draxa
5. The Roc Caverns are now just caverns and not a village
6. Cooled off the Ring of Fire around the edges due to constant rain.
7. Renamed the Broken Plain the Flooded Plain
I removed the shard flats because the storm would have washed away the salt by now. The same reasoning was applied to the Dead Forest. For those of you wondering where the Great Rift, Baxal Shoals, and the name "Mountains of Fume" come from see the map in PP5. I flooded Ur Draxa because of PP5 and RaFoaDK. Removed The Clan of the Roc from the Roc Caverns because they should be dead by now. Anyone have any comments or suggestions about what I did or what they think should have been done?
I just added my newest map "The Blue Age". Enjoy!
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Genius! Sheer genius!!! That's is perhaps the most beautiful concept I've ever seen! Absolutely brilliant!
(I tried to make it as accurate as I possibly could)
The Cerulean storm would be fed by a boiling ocean.
That much lava would need a lot of water to cool it down. A lot.
Truthfully, The Blue Age of Athas would have lots of scattered islands... kind of like Earthsea but with no real major continents, just island chains which were high mountains. I believe both Tyr, the Pristine Tower, and Guistenal were said to be above water at the time. However, a world map would still be dull.
Myself, I wonder what a "Green Age" map of Athas would look like... it's a harder job than it sounds. An adventure idea I had was that the Order, coupled with the Mind Lords of the Last Sea, conspire to create a method of time travel to send a party back in time to assassinate Rajaat as a young pyreen before he discovers magic. (Naturally, by stint of error and miscalculation the players, not the optimal party, are sent instead.) It would be an interesting experience for an Athasian party to wander in a world so like and unlike the one they know.
Adamantyr
Blue Age map needs some work though, LOL, all joking aside.
.I couldn't find anything significant about the other places, though (although I haven't had a close read of the adventure in a while).
Rumish's Rock: 20 employees, 20 slaves. Outpost and trading post 30 miles southeast of Lost Oasis. A small but important post, this is where Tsalaxa obtains much of its gold via trading with caravans coming east from Walis.
Sadly, I can't find any information about the other two places you mentioned. I assume you know that Shom is the name of a trading house? So, Shom Camp might be something specific for that adventure.
. Is it something wrong with the file or with my computer? Has anyone else been able to d/l it?Cyrus, on the tyr region map, why is there no canyon of guthay?
I made the Tyr Region map prior to making the Tablelands map. The Canyon of Guthay is not on the original Tyr Region and Beyond map from TSR so I didn't include it. When I made the Tablelands map I included it because it was on the Tablelands map from TSR. I may add it to a future version of the Tyr Region map if I think about it.
http://www.siltskimmer.net/_maps/near_tyr_map.gif
As you can see, this depicts the Caravan Gate as exiting sort of E/NE from Tyr.
Originally posted by dyslexia
http://www.siltskimmer.net/_maps/near_tyr_map.gif
That looks pretty accurate to be honest.
. There is a compass arrow in the lower left corner of the map-page.1---Tyr'agi was situated in a hollow which would later be called The Tyr Valley. It was a vale(presumably surrounded by mountains) filled with a vast swamp of vine-drap trees(quote from the wanderer page 10: Timeline-BlueAge
I personnaly think that the area near the Tyr valley was the highest land elevetion during the Blue age: maybe somesort of scatered archipelago throughout what is known today as the Tyr region.
2--From Windriders of the Jagged Cliffs Page 5 last paragraph.
Even in the days of old, when water dominated the world, the barbs of these cliffs rose above the waves.( I personnally suspect that those same cliff were once part of a gigantic corral reefs formation and beyond that, the deep Blue:Crimson Savanha of today)
3--I cant seem to find where my assomption were founded about this but, by memory, I think the Koschak Mountains peeks were also islands during the Blue age. I could even go as far as to say the Kreen race originated from those islands before spreading far and wide into the crimson savanha.(Kreens cant fly but in the Blue age, they had wing to travel from one island to an other.
those are the *3* I can remember on the fly. There had to be mutch more than that. I doubt all the other Rhulisti cities were mere life-shaped platform-islands. Althought, I could well imagine some few Rhulisti vaissels shaped as colossal life-shaped sea turtle .
By the way, I've dowloaded all your maps. they're just to cool. Even if i have most of the originals.:D
The Wanderer's Chronicle:
A fetid brown tide spread across the waves, killing everything it touched. Many of the halflings panicked and looked for ways to protect themselves. Some built great subterranean
strongholds. Others fled to the mountain forests. A few, however, remained in Tyr-agi, struggling to find a way to cure the dying sea.
[...]
The halflings used their mastery of nature to manipulate the very building blocks of life from their outpost--a stronghold that would one day come to be called the Pristine Tower. By changing the sun so that its energy could be focused through the tower, the halflings were able to kill the brown tide.
Cyrus9a, I just thought that the proximity of the Tower to Tyr-agi in the above two paragraphs might mean that they are both linked by land. In today's Athas, both are fairly far away, but not for Blue Age halflings who had air, land and water transportation. So it might mean that the islands of the Blue Age were a lot bigger than we thought. That by drawing a Blue Age Map, you would need to draw a world map.
Do I make any sense?
What more can I say?
That's a beautiful map, one of your best! Good job!
From the Tyr's Key
The Hungary, Hungary Halfling
All of the maps produced by DSR use a universal map key, unless otherwise noted, to preserve image space. It can be downloaded here.
That link is dead.
Oh and will you remove the Maps section, since its content seems to be redistributed into other sections?
.Smoking lands is spelled "Smoking Lnads" though... :D
I even proof-read it several times! Just goes to show that you can miss things when you don't want them to be there.
Really like how much you have cleaned up the site.
Great job!
Besides, I've only been doing it for 6 months. I have alot of room to improve.
I have updated my Map Key for the last time today! I have now upgraded it to v2.1 because I forgot to add my Temple symbol. (Thanks Pen - You are very observant.) From now on all of my maps will be sent to Pennarin for proofreading! The different types of dagada are clearer and easier to distinguish. Nice one!Raam is (probably) the next city my players will heading to.
Is there going to be a Urik map in the near future of you?
That would be great.
and btw. I don't know, if your it was you or your german translator but in german ther is no "meters", it is always "meter"...it is 1 meter, and it also is 100 meter.
There are also some names that sound "unfamiliar" but I can't find my german map of the Tyr region right now, but when I'll find it I'll check it.
Is there going to be a Urik map in the near future of you?
That would be great.
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and btw. I don't know, if your it was you or your german translator but in german ther is no "meters", it is always "meter"...it is 1 meter, and it also is 100 meter.
There are also some names that sound "unfamiliar" but I can't find my german map of the Tyr region right now, but when I'll find it I'll check it.
Thanks for the support guys. I just started working on a map of Urik. It is going to be quite large, so it will probably be close to a month before it is complete. As for meters, I messed that up myself. I was told meter was the proper spelling and just assumed it was singular. I will have to alter a few maps now. As for unfamiliar place names: my translator was worried about it. He went through all of the official German material and found what he could. If it wasn't translated yet or he couldn't find it anywhere, he would translate it as best as he could. If you or anyone else have any suggestions aboot alternate wording please let me know.
I am currently doing research on my upcoming Urik map and found an interesting sentence. On page 44 of RaFoaDK (english version) it states that the village of Deche is located in a Kreegill mountain valley to the east of Yaramuke. There happens to be a small mountain range east of Yaramuke and north of Raam. I will name them the Kreegill Mountains in future versions of my maps. Does anyone have any concerns about this?
I say go for it. You have the Baxal Shoals in there already, so...
But since the map is made for us the Players, and not the Characters, then its still good. But even if the map is for characters, you can always say its the product of a pool of information gathered over king's ages, and somewhere in the past someone might have asked king Hamanu what was the name of those hills and recorded it, or passed on the info, which eventually trickled down to the map makers of today.
I say include it.
I am currently doing research on my upcoming Urik map and found an interesting sentence. On page 44 of RaFoaDK (english version) it states that the village of Deche is located in a Kreegill mountain valley to the east of Yaramuke. There happens to be a small mountain range east of Yaramuke and north of Raam. I will name them the Kreegill Mountains in future versions of my maps. Does anyone have any concerns about this?
I say go for it. I mean for us--DS veterans-- who could almost draw the map by memory, we are seeking info which we dont nessessarely remember. And that is one of them. Since i already have in my possession all the original region maps, I can truely say that to have site in your maps which cant be found in the originals are an apreciated bonus.
I just added my Master Translation List of all Athasian sites to my signature.
Where is your signature?
Edit: Sorry but I haven't noticed, that the new board shows the signature only on the first post of a page. Forgett what's above! :embarrass
Where is your signature?
Edit: Sorry but I haven't noticed, that the new board shows the signature only on the first post of a page. Forgett what's above! :embarrass
It confused me at first also. I was like, where did my sig go? Get to work Bengeldorn! I know you want to fill in the holes in the German column!
Get to work Bengeldorn! I know you want to fill in the holes in the German column!
Ok...but this could take me a while....
IMO: the mountain are too dark, look like the deadlands
Be careful as well not to create too dark maps. It's hard on the eyes and on the printer ;)
By example, Nibenay is very very dark. I would suggest to keep the brightness like the Tyr maps (which is beautiful btw!)
Last sea Region map : Missing city name near the North Pass.
IMO: the mountain are too dark, look like the deadlands
Be careful as well not to create too dark maps. It's hard on the eyes and on the printer ;)
By example, Nibenay is very very dark. I would suggest to keep the brightness like the Tyr maps (which is beautiful btw!)
Very good points Grummore. I just realized that the Last Sea Region was missing a city name 2 days ago! I will be redoing that map soon (a relative term) to "upgrade" it to my newer styles. It will be alot better eventually. I still need to finish some DA maps, The Dead Lands map (alot to read for this), and my upcoming city-state of Urik.
- CC2 Symbols: Dark Sun map symbols for Campaign Cartographer.
- Symbols v1.1: Added a new symbol to represent dragons.
- Compasses v1.0: Added the Compasses I use in my maps. (French, English, Spanish, German, & Portuguese versions in one document)
In order to conserve disk space (and save time), all unlabeled versions of DSR maps will not have titles, compasses, or scales. This will enable me to only have one version instead of five.
Second, I want a few opinions on some fonts I have:
Font One is the font that I currently use in most of my maps. Font Two is a font that I have used in several of my non-English language maps. Font Two has two advantages over Font One.
1: It has a full character set (non-English characters, Font One has none).
2: It has a regular version and a condensed version that help out in tight spots.
I am thinking of making Font Two DSR's main font with limited use of Font One. Or, I can use Font One as the English font and Font Two as the non-English font. I like Font One alot and I don't want to stop using it. If it had a full character set I wouldn't have any problems. Any suggestions?
I am thinking of making Font Two DSR's main font with limited use of Font One. Or, I can use Font One as the English font and Font Two as the non-English font. I like Font One alot and I don't want to stop using it. If it had a full character set I wouldn't have any problems. Any suggestions?
No mater how good your maps are, they do need to be supported by a very beautiful font, or if you prefer, your maps' beauty will be diminished if the font is suboptimal.
Leave font one for english, but do use font two for non-english: like you say, weird symbols like accented letters and even weirder symbols in other languages beside english are a necessity for the translated maps, and if they can't properly appear on them it would be a shame.
First, I want to let everyone know that the Spanish Version of the Tyr Region is now online. (Thanks Az_zel!)
Most welcome :D.
I am thinking of making Font Two DSR's main font with limited use of Font One. Or, I can use Font One as the English font and Font Two as the non-English font. I like Font One alot and I don't want to stop using it. If it had a full character set I wouldn't have any problems. Any suggestions?
I agree with Pennarin. I like font one the best and I think it look very good on the maps. Even so, the extended character set is needed for translations. Especially if you can condense it, since some of the translated words are quite long.
Are these two fonts free? And if so, where can I snatch them so that we have the same font in our DS documents creation!
Are these two fonts free? And if so, where can I snatch them so that we have the same font in our DS documents creation!
Your in luck Grummore! Both fonts are freeware.
Font One is known as Atlas of the Magi and is located at Cumberland Fontworks
Font Two is called Sever and can be found at Iconian Fonts
Eventually I will have both of these fonts as well as some other fonts that I found on my website.
1. Athas was a little more lusher. It was more green.
2. City-States held towns and were nations with borders.
3. Kalidnay was a rich city that sat next to a small sea that is now a salt flat.
I have a map of the region and the city is about 40% complete. I followed the Wanderer's Journal as best I could. It was an Turkish city with many towers dotting the skyline with canals filled with water that lead to the sea.
I will post maps once I find a place to host them or actually finish the website I started.
http://www.geocities.com/marcusmagnusdod/KalidIntro.html
(It's not much. I could have sworn I made the symbols clickable. And where is the music? Gah, free servers)
(It's not much. I could have sworn I made the symbols clickable. And where is the music? Gah, free servers)
Symbols aren't clickable, but I hear the music.
I hate embedded music though, it was so 90s and should just go away, lol.
Like what you have so far of the site, being a big Kalidnay drooler myself.
Keep up the good work and can't wait to see your finished map.
Thanks for the input everyone!
I agree with everyone too, keep both fonts.
:D
If Ral as posted his maps on his site, I can't see them.
Me too, I tried more than once.
Thought it was my Firefox browser but didn't see a map trough Internet Explorer too....
I've translated most of it to Spanish, but I'd like for some people to look at the words first, as almost none of the words on the map translate well. I'll put up my list of suggestions on another thread.
But I suppose it's Kled before the Cleansing War? I've on my HD a map of Kled as a small village (don't remember where I found it!) Would you like to have it?
But I suppose it's Kled before the Cleansing War?
There was no Kled before the Cleansing Wars! I know the map looks big, but it is actually quite small. I made it per the description within "The Crimson Legion". Basically the center plaza had to be able to hold over 2000 individuals and there are a dozen (or more) concentric rows of huts. I did add a gate that was not mentioned and I named them. The center plaza was referred to as the sun plaza so I named it the Plaza of the Sun.
I've on my HD a map of Kled as a small village (don't remember where I found it!) Would you like to have it?
I would love to have it and any other homemade maps you may have.
If that's what you are seeing, you are fine. If not, adjust your settings. I have firefox and I see that just fine. That's the only thing I can think of.
The music is a Dead Can Dance Midi of Cantara. My hope to create a site much like Baraka. Maps with somber ancient and ambient music, to get that sort of ancient feel.
I should upload the regional map I have tonight.
Arr matey, I shall be postin' a new thread, least I be a hijackin' avast.
Cyrus, could you send me an email?
Hello everyone. Most of you won't need this, but the Portuguese versions of the Jagged Cliffs Region is now available. I know I've been away abit this last month, but future maps will be arriving as soon as I can finish some things for Athas.org.
And there'll be more maps in portuguese coming soon!
I've sent you an e-mail with some more minor changes. You might want to wait with another update until we have a final map?
Oops! Sorry folks, I had a slight misunderstanding with some details about the Raam maps. Give me a day or two and I'll let you know when to download the new versions.
Oops! Sorry folks, I had a slight misunderstanding with some details about the Raam maps. Give me a day or two and I'll let you know when to download the new versions.
Take your time...
I have entitled it the Anattan Wastes Region. Currently, it is only sparsely populated with sites. If anyone would like to name any sites or terrain features send me your suggestions and I will take them into consideration. The Anattan Wastes Region is exactly the same size as the Tyr Region or the Jagged Cliffs Region and is located due east of the Tyr Region. The new map is posted at Dark Sun Rising under the heading: Major Regions. Have a nice day! ;)Have you received the e-mail I sent you with a translation of one map?
Hi Fabrício! Yes I did. I was out-of-town last weekend and haven't been able to reply yet. I'll have it done for you within a few days.