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Knight of the Rose Useless?

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#1
angal
Mar 23, 2004 17:30:47 Ok My players are whining about knights of the rose, So is it just us or do you need to be lvl 20/21/22 to get lvl ten in that class? (The 20/21/22 is if you take less lvls in cleric) so can someone tell me if there is anouther way?

This is what my plays said you need to become one I realy don't care cuz its there class not mine so I'm not realy looking at it

4 cleric
3 Knight of the Crown (or 1 Knight of the Crown and 2 levels of any other full base attack bonus class)
3 Knight of the Sword.

If anyone could tell me a way to take it earlyer that would be great

Thanks Patrick
#2
daedavias_dup
Mar 23, 2004 17:40:29 You don't need to be 20th level to finish out the class.

A Fighter 2/Cleric 2/KoCro 1/KoSwo 2 can get the job done, if I can remember right(book is at home, I am at dorm). I could be wrong.
#3
iltharanos
Mar 23, 2004 18:03:31 Assuming a pure cleric approach, one could reach level 10 Rose knight via:

Cleric 4/Crown 2/Sword 3/Rose 10 = 19th level.

EDIT: Make that Cleric 4/Crown 3/Sword 3/Rose 10 = 20th level.
#4
The_White_Sorcerer
Mar 23, 2004 18:18:20 Fastest route to the Rose:
Ftr4/Crown1/Clr2/Sword3
Add 10 levels of Rose to that and you'll be 20th-level.

Crown Knight requires: +3 BAB, +4 Fort.
Ftr4 has +4 BAB and +4 Fort, meeting the requirements.

Sword Knight requires: +6 BAB, +4 Will, 1st-level spells, and one level of Crown.
Ftr4/Crown1/Clr2 has +6 BAB, +4 Will, and 1st-level spells, meeting the requirements.

Rose Knight requires: +8 BAB, +7 Will, 2nd-level spells, and three levels of Sword.
Ftr4/Crown1/Clr2/Sword3 has +8 BAB, +7 Will, and 3rd-level spells, meeting the requirements.
#5
Nived
Mar 23, 2004 19:18:55 I hardly think its useless, it give Paladin abilities (or better) and has full caster progression, it had darn well better be a high level PrC.

There's a reason most Rose Knights in novels are portrayed as old men.
#6
cam_banks
Mar 23, 2004 21:15:22
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer

Crown Knight requires: +3 BAB, +4 Fort.
Ftr4 has +4 BAB and +4 Fort, meeting the requirements.

Clr4 also meets the requirements. So does a Rgr4 or Pal4, although the cleric route ends up with a better divine spellcaster. Clr7/Crown1/Sword1 is a level behind the default configuration but has a caster level 8 compared to the default's caster level 3. Two more levels of Sword, and you have a Clr7/Crown1/Sword3 candidate for the Rose, meaning that with the 1st Rose level the Knight has a caster level 11, still 5 caster levels ahead of the default Rose Knight and only one character level behind. That means the cleric-focused Rose Knight can end up casting 6th level spells while the fighter-focused Rose Knight is still on 3rd level spells. Of course, there's a difference in hit points, but the cleric's saves are better.

Favored soul (from the Miniatures Handbook) is another very good route to Sword and Rose Knight - and it's a spontaneous caster.

Cheers,
Cam
#7
The_White_Sorcerer
Mar 24, 2004 4:14:36 The reason I don't like Solamnic knights with lots of cleric levels is because they propably won't have the Wisdom to cast those high-level spells.
#8
dragontooth
Mar 24, 2004 8:34:51
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
The reason I don't like Solamnic knights with lots of cleric levels is because they propably won't have the Wisdom to cast those high-level spells.

The Sword, and Rose Knights make excellent cleric PrC's.
The Rose Knight also makes a great fighter PrC, or Paladin PrC. Fighter with small amount of Clerical powers. I would suggest going higher up as a Crown Knight before trying to advance into the Sword, and Rose part mainly due to some of the neat abilities the Crown Knights offer if your going to be mainly a fighter at heart.
#9
zombiegleemax
Mar 24, 2004 10:00:24 The Rose Knight's just a great fighter, cleric, or fighter/cleric PrC. Full BAB, d10 HP, and full caster progression PLUS Special abilities....sign me right the hell up for that!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 angal Mar 23, 2004 17:30:47	Ok My players are whining about knights of the rose, So is it just us or do you need to be lvl 20/21/22 to get lvl ten in that class? (The 20/21/22 is if you take less lvls in cleric) so can someone tell me if there is anouther way? This is what my plays said you need to become one I realy don't care cuz its there class not mine so I'm not realy looking at it 4 cleric 3 Knight of the Crown (or 1 Knight of the Crown and 2 levels of any other full base attack bonus class) 3 Knight of the Sword. If anyone could tell me a way to take it earlyer that would be great Thanks Patrick
#2 daedavias_dup Mar 23, 2004 17:40:29	You don't need to be 20th level to finish out the class. A Fighter 2/Cleric 2/KoCro 1/KoSwo 2 can get the job done, if I can remember right(book is at home, I am at dorm). I could be wrong.
#3 iltharanos Mar 23, 2004 18:03:31	Assuming a pure cleric approach, one could reach level 10 Rose knight via: Cleric 4/Crown 2/Sword 3/Rose 10 = 19th level. EDIT: Make that Cleric 4/Crown 3/Sword 3/Rose 10 = 20th level.
#4 The_White_Sorcerer Mar 23, 2004 18:18:20	Fastest route to the Rose: Ftr4/Crown1/Clr2/Sword3 Add 10 levels of Rose to that and you'll be 20th-level. Crown Knight requires: +3 BAB, +4 Fort. Ftr4 has +4 BAB and +4 Fort, meeting the requirements. Sword Knight requires: +6 BAB, +4 Will, 1st-level spells, and one level of Crown. Ftr4/Crown1/Clr2 has +6 BAB, +4 Will, and 1st-level spells, meeting the requirements. Rose Knight requires: +8 BAB, +7 Will, 2nd-level spells, and three levels of Sword. Ftr4/Crown1/Clr2/Sword3 has +8 BAB, +7 Will, and 3rd-level spells, meeting the requirements.
#5 Nived Mar 23, 2004 19:18:55	I hardly think its useless, it give Paladin abilities (or better) and has full caster progression, it had darn well better be a high level PrC. There's a reason most Rose Knights in novels are portrayed as old men.
#6 cam_banks Mar 23, 2004 21:15:22	Originally posted by The White Sorcerer Crown Knight requires: +3 BAB, +4 Fort. Ftr4 has +4 BAB and +4 Fort, meeting the requirements. Clr4 also meets the requirements. So does a Rgr4 or Pal4, although the cleric route ends up with a better divine spellcaster. Clr7/Crown1/Sword1 is a level behind the default configuration but has a caster level 8 compared to the default's caster level 3. Two more levels of Sword, and you have a Clr7/Crown1/Sword3 candidate for the Rose, meaning that with the 1st Rose level the Knight has a caster level 11, still 5 caster levels ahead of the default Rose Knight and only one character level behind. That means the cleric-focused Rose Knight can end up casting 6th level spells while the fighter-focused Rose Knight is still on 3rd level spells. Of course, there's a difference in hit points, but the cleric's saves are better. Favored soul (from the Miniatures Handbook) is another very good route to Sword and Rose Knight - and it's a spontaneous caster. Cheers, Cam
#7 The_White_Sorcerer Mar 24, 2004 4:14:36	The reason I don't like Solamnic knights with lots of cleric levels is because they propably won't have the Wisdom to cast those high-level spells.
#8 dragontooth Mar 24, 2004 8:34:51	Originally posted by The White Sorcerer The reason I don't like Solamnic knights with lots of cleric levels is because they propably won't have the Wisdom to cast those high-level spells. The Sword, and Rose Knights make excellent cleric PrC's. The Rose Knight also makes a great fighter PrC, or Paladin PrC. Fighter with small amount of Clerical powers. I would suggest going higher up as a Crown Knight before trying to advance into the Sword, and Rose part mainly due to some of the neat abilities the Crown Knights offer if your going to be mainly a fighter at heart.
#9 zombiegleemax Mar 24, 2004 10:00:24	The Rose Knight's just a great fighter, cleric, or fighter/cleric PrC. Full BAB, d10 HP, and full caster progression PLUS Special abilities....sign me right the hell up for that!