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#1
zombiegleemax
Mar 25, 2004 12:13:26 Lord Ariakan aroused my interest when I read Dragons of a Summer Flame.

1. Is he a demi-god being that he is the son of a goddess ?

2. Does he have stats in any of the upcoming DragonLance products ?

3. Is it possible that he may have had off spring ?

~~~
#2
brimstone
Mar 25, 2004 12:17:58 1. Yes, it's pretty much accepted that he was the son of Ariakas and Zeboim.

2. I don't know...but probably eventually.

3. They've never been mentioned...nor has he ever mentioned any past women. So...it would be quite cheesy if they brought out a "son/daughter of Ariakan," IMHO.
#3
zombiegleemax
Mar 25, 2004 12:21:35 1. Thank you for the answer.

2. I hope they do place his stats in one of the products. I found Lord Ariakan quite interesting.

3. Well I was going to use that as a hook for one of my PC's. Do you think that is possible without turning the DragonLance game into BirthRight Pt. 2 ?

~~~
#4
cam_banks
Mar 25, 2004 12:23:26
Originally posted by LordofIllusions
Well I was going to use that as a hook for one of my PC's. Do you think that is possible without turning the DragonLance game into BirthRight Pt. 2 ?

Sure. If you're playing in the Age of Mortals after the War of Souls, however, that child's going to be at least 40 years old.

Cheers,
Cam
#5
zombiegleemax
Mar 25, 2004 12:27:04 *Ouch*

Thanks Cam!

I guess I can make the PC a son of the son ?

~~~
#6
zombiegleemax
Mar 25, 2004 12:28:05 I found intresting that takhisi stand at first position by the knight of neraka. She is Ariakan grandma. And Zeboim his mom is simply a subgod in the cult how sargonas.

The knights pray only when they make a ship cruise to her.
#7
The_White_Sorcerer
Mar 25, 2004 12:31:46
Originally posted by LordofIllusions
1. Is he a demi-god being that he is the son of a goddess ?

Quasideity, actually. The child of a deity and a mortal is a quasideity, not a demigod.
#8
zombiegleemax
Mar 25, 2004 12:37:29 He has blood from 2 gods. From Takhisi indirect then they is his grandma and direct from Zenobia hid mom. Why he is not how Hercules?
#9
zombiegleemax
Mar 25, 2004 13:14:09
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
Quasideity, actually. The child of a deity and a mortal is a quasideity, not a demigod.

I really do not think it is that big of a deal.

To those that actually answered my questions...Thanks again.

~~~
#10
The_White_Sorcerer
Mar 25, 2004 14:07:04
Originally posted by LordofIllusions
I really do not think it is that big of a deal.

A demigod would have a porfolio and the ability to grant spells. So yes, it is a big deal.
#11
frojas
Mar 25, 2004 14:10:42
2. Does he have stats in any of the upcoming DragonLance products ?

I believe that 2ed and SAGA stats for Araikan can be found in the 15th Anniversary Edition DL Module.
#12
zombiegleemax
Mar 25, 2004 14:26:05 *Ignores the flame lord*

Originally posted by frojas
I believe that 2ed and SAGA stats for Araikan can be found in the 15th Anniversary Edition DL Module.

If I could get my hands on that I could probably upgrade the stats with ease.

~~~
#13
zombiegleemax
Mar 25, 2004 21:47:27
Originally posted by Brimstone
3. They've never been mentioned...nor has he ever mentioned any past women. So...it would be quite cheesy if they brought out a "son/daughter of Ariakan," IMHO.

It wouldn't be *SO* very out of the question, though...there is Steel's mother(not Kitiara, the woman who actually acted like a mother to him). She was Ariakan's misstress. So, she very well might have bore him a child.
#14
zombiegleemax
Mar 26, 2004 10:54:10
Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007
It wouldn't be *SO* very out of the question, though...there is Steel's mother(not Kitiara, the woman who actually acted like a mother to him). She was Ariakan's misstress. So, she very well might have bore him a child.

Whoa! Do tell more.

~~~
#15
brimstone
Mar 26, 2004 11:10:08
Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007
It wouldn't be *SO* very out of the question, though...there is Steel's mother(not Kitiara, the woman who actually acted like a mother to him). She was Ariakan's misstress. So, she very well might have bore him a child.

That would be very cheesy, IMO. It would take some work to explain why we never heard of this child with all the stories of Sara. Sara is obviously a loving mother...so she wouldn't have pulled a Kitiara and leave the child somewhere else.

But...maybe I'm just overly picky about adding stuff into the past. (which is why I'm still having a bit of a rough time wrapping my brain around the idea of the nobel dracs).
#16
zombiegleemax
Mar 26, 2004 15:07:58
Originally posted by Brimstone
That would be very cheesy, IMO. It would take some work to explain why we never heard of this child with all the stories of Sara. Sara is obviously a loving mother...so she wouldn't have pulled a Kitiara and leave the child somewhere else.

But...maybe I'm just overly picky about adding stuff into the past. (which is why I'm still having a bit of a rough time wrapping my brain around the idea of the nobel dracs).

While I'm actually in agreement with you that it would be very cheesy, as you put it, to suddenly introduce a child of Sara and Ariakan, I'll play the devil's advocate for the moment. While your base argument is quite accurate, it would be very out of character for Sara to abandon her own child, after seeing how much of a devoted mother she was to Kitiara's child.

However, it would not necessarily be uncharacteristic for Ariakan to have a child produced from their union removed from Sara to be raised by someone else, seeing that she is such a good mother-figure. Because of Sara's wishes to protect the child from the harshness of the world, she could have easily been too soft on a child, for Ariakan's liking. After all, such a child would be his heir, heir to his position and to his dream. Could a child who was cottled as an infant have the strength to carry such a burden? So, while I don't particarly like the idea of Ariakan and Sara having a child, it isn't necessarily completely unreasonable that we didn't really see such a child with Sara in the books.

Correlanthias
#17
brimstone
Mar 26, 2004 17:43:46
Originally posted by Correlanthias
After all, such a child would be his heir, heir to his position and to his dream. Could a child who was cottled as an infant have the strength to carry such a burden?

Probably not.

However...Ariakan was quite fond of Steel, I think. And he was brought up from an infant by Sara.
#18
zombiegleemax
Mar 26, 2004 17:47:01 I agree with this...If anyone would have been made Ariakan's heir it would have been Steel. I just see Ariakan as having been the father figure in Steel's life.
#19
zombiegleemax
Mar 26, 2004 21:28:55 I think it is more likely that Ariakan might have half-siblings, nephews or nieces. Highlord Ariakas used to have a number of mistresses and slave concubines, especially favoring elven women, so its conceivable that he might have had other children, either human or half-elven, aside from Ariakan.
#20
zombiegleemax
Mar 27, 2004 21:01:38 I find it almost unbelievable that the Knights of Solamnia actually captured him and did not execute him. To think that Knights of Solamnia will execute their own but not the Son of the Dragon Emperor almost defies reason
#21
zombiegleemax
Mar 27, 2004 21:31:43
Originally posted by DmJoeSolarte
I find it almost unbelievable that the Knights of Solamnia actually captured him and did not execute him. To think that Knights of Solamnia will execute their own but not the Son of the Dragon Emperor almost defies reason

Well, if I'm not mistaken(though I may be), he wasn't very old when they found him, like a teenager or young adult, and he hadn't really done anything wrong. So, killing him would have been a bad hting to do. I htink it was just stupid, though, that they just let him free and let him go about his life oblivious to what he was doing. I htink that they should have kept him under tight security at all times(but then again, he had them so convinced of his goodness that they offered him knighthood, so he must have been a really good actor).
#22
quentingeorge
Mar 27, 2004 21:37:02 What? Why should they execute him? Being the child of an evil person does not make you evil yourself.

Did they kill Stalin's daughter when she defected to the West because her father was one of the worst dictators of the 20th century? Of course not.

The idea that people think the Knights of Solamnia would does something like that is amazing.
#23
wolffenjugend_dup
Mar 27, 2004 23:02:34 I thought Ariakan was kept under tight security but convinced his captors of his good-heartedness and eventually escaped? (Or was he allowed to leave?)
#24
zombiegleemax
Mar 28, 2004 11:31:00
Originally posted by wolffenjugend
I thought Ariakan was kept under tight security but convinced his captors of his good-heartedness and eventually escaped? (Or was he allowed to leave?)

Is that what happened? I was under the impression that he was a high ranking Dragon Army officer when captured.
#25
cam_banks
Mar 28, 2004 11:40:46
Originally posted by DmJoeSolarte
Is that what happened? I was under the impression that he was a high ranking Dragon Army officer when captured.

No, he was a teenager. Not even Ariakas would have promoted him to a high ranking Dragonarmy officer.

Cheers,
Cam
#26
zombiegleemax
Mar 28, 2004 12:06:50
Originally posted by wolffenjugend
I thought Ariakan was kept under tight security but convinced his captors of his good-heartedness and eventually escaped? (Or was he allowed to leave?)

Ariakan never escaped. He convinced the Solamnics of his quality and honor (which he did have a lot of both areas) and they eventually offered him knighthood. He politely refused, and they allowed him to walk right out the front door. Nope, the Solamnics trained and educated their strongest enemy. Kinda like the US trained the very pilots who crashed their planes into the WTC on 9/11
#27
zombiegleemax
Mar 28, 2004 12:10:18
Originally posted by DmJoeSolarte
I find it almost unbelievable that the Knights of Solamnia actually captured him and did not execute him. To think that Knights of Solamnia will execute their own but not the Son of the Dragon Emperor almost defies reason

The Solamnics had no reason to execute him... Yes, he was the son of Ariakas, but that doesnt make him evil. Ariakan proved his worth and honor to the Solamnics and they came to respect him. And that wasnt acting either. Remember, Ariakan was honorable and instilled that honor in the first batch of the Knights of Takhisis. Only after Ariakan's death did the Knighthood fall into dishonor, and become the glorified band of thugs and brigands that it is today.
#28
baron_the_curse
Mar 30, 2004 22:53:02
Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007
Well, if I'm not mistaken(though I may be), he wasn't very old when they found him, like a teenager or young adult, and he hadn't really done anything wrong. So, killing him would have been a bad hting to do.

I would say his done plenty of wrong. Since his capture he proved to be a cold, calculating, conniving sneak whose performance was executed so well he tricked the Knights into letting him go. While all the time he planned on establishing an army of darkness capable of destroying the knighthood he “admires”.

Let’s examine this for a moment. He is the son of the Emperor who commands the Dragon Armies. Logic would dictate that he has been raised by a cruel man who is teaching him about warfare (and mine you not righteous proper warfare). He is being bred to one-day seat on his father’s dark throne. Upon his discovery by the Solamnic Knights, this young man slew five Solamnics rather than surrender peacefully or show any regret for his father’s sins. He is evil.

As history has taught us the Solamnics would have indeed been better off killing him honorably in combat beneath the vile temple they found him.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Mar 25, 2004 12:13:26	Lord Ariakan aroused my interest when I read Dragons of a Summer Flame. 1. Is he a demi-god being that he is the son of a goddess ? 2. Does he have stats in any of the upcoming DragonLance products ? 3. Is it possible that he may have had off spring ? ~~~
#2 brimstone Mar 25, 2004 12:17:58	1. Yes, it's pretty much accepted that he was the son of Ariakas and Zeboim. 2. I don't know...but probably eventually. 3. They've never been mentioned...nor has he ever mentioned any past women. So...it would be quite cheesy if they brought out a "son/daughter of Ariakan," IMHO.
#3 zombiegleemax Mar 25, 2004 12:21:35	1. Thank you for the answer. 2. I hope they do place his stats in one of the products. I found Lord Ariakan quite interesting. 3. Well I was going to use that as a hook for one of my PC's. Do you think that is possible without turning the DragonLance game into BirthRight Pt. 2 ? ~~~
#4 cam_banks Mar 25, 2004 12:23:26	Originally posted by LordofIllusions Well I was going to use that as a hook for one of my PC's. Do you think that is possible without turning the DragonLance game into BirthRight Pt. 2 ? Sure. If you're playing in the Age of Mortals after the War of Souls, however, that child's going to be at least 40 years old. Cheers, Cam
#5 zombiegleemax Mar 25, 2004 12:27:04	Ouch Thanks Cam! I guess I can make the PC a son of the son ? ~~~
#6 zombiegleemax Mar 25, 2004 12:28:05	I found intresting that takhisi stand at first position by the knight of neraka. She is Ariakan grandma. And Zeboim his mom is simply a subgod in the cult how sargonas. The knights pray only when they make a ship cruise to her.
#7 The_White_Sorcerer Mar 25, 2004 12:31:46	Originally posted by LordofIllusions 1. Is he a demi-god being that he is the son of a goddess ? Quasideity, actually. The child of a deity and a mortal is a quasideity, not a demigod.
#8 zombiegleemax Mar 25, 2004 12:37:29	He has blood from 2 gods. From Takhisi indirect then they is his grandma and direct from Zenobia hid mom. Why he is not how Hercules?
#9 zombiegleemax Mar 25, 2004 13:14:09	Originally posted by The White Sorcerer Quasideity, actually. The child of a deity and a mortal is a quasideity, not a demigod. I really do not think it is that big of a deal. To those that actually answered my questions...Thanks again. ~~~
#10 The_White_Sorcerer Mar 25, 2004 14:07:04	Originally posted by LordofIllusions *I really do not think it is that* big of a deal.** A demigod would have a porfolio and the ability to grant spells. So yes, it is a big deal.
#11 frojas Mar 25, 2004 14:10:42	2. Does he have stats in any of the upcoming DragonLance products ? I believe that 2ed and SAGA stats for Araikan can be found in the 15th Anniversary Edition DL Module.
#12 zombiegleemax Mar 25, 2004 14:26:05	Ignores the flame lord Originally posted by frojas I believe that 2ed and SAGA stats for Araikan can be found in the 15th Anniversary Edition DL Module. If I could get my hands on that I could probably upgrade the stats with ease. ~~~
#13 zombiegleemax Mar 25, 2004 21:47:27	Originally posted by Brimstone 3. They've never been mentioned...nor has he ever mentioned any past women. So...it would be quite cheesy if they brought out a "son/daughter of Ariakan," IMHO. It wouldn't be SO very out of the question, though...there is Steel's mother(not Kitiara, the woman who actually acted like a mother to him). She was Ariakan's misstress. So, she very well might have bore him a child.
#14 zombiegleemax Mar 26, 2004 10:54:10	Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007 It wouldn't be SO very out of the question, though...there is Steel's mother(not Kitiara, the woman who actually acted like a mother to him). She was Ariakan's misstress. So, she very well might have bore him a child. Whoa! Do tell more. ~~~
#15 brimstone Mar 26, 2004 11:10:08	Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007 It wouldn't be SO very out of the question, though...there is Steel's mother(not Kitiara, the woman who actually acted like a mother to him). She was Ariakan's misstress. So, she very well might have bore him a child. That would be very cheesy, IMO. It would take some work to explain why we never heard of this child with all the stories of Sara. Sara is obviously a loving mother...so she wouldn't have pulled a Kitiara and leave the child somewhere else. But...maybe I'm just overly picky about adding stuff into the past. (which is why I'm still having a bit of a rough time wrapping my brain around the idea of the nobel dracs).
#16 zombiegleemax Mar 26, 2004 15:07:58	Originally posted by Brimstone That would be very cheesy, IMO. It would take some work to explain why we never heard of this child with all the stories of Sara. Sara is obviously a loving mother...so she wouldn't have pulled a Kitiara and leave the child somewhere else. But...maybe I'm just overly picky about adding stuff into the past. (which is why I'm still having a bit of a rough time wrapping my brain around the idea of the nobel dracs). While I'm actually in agreement with you that it would be very cheesy, as you put it, to suddenly introduce a child of Sara and Ariakan, I'll play the devil's advocate for the moment. While your base argument is quite accurate, it would be very out of character for Sara to abandon her own child, after seeing how much of a devoted mother she was to Kitiara's child. However, it would not necessarily be uncharacteristic for Ariakan to have a child produced from their union removed from Sara to be raised by someone else, seeing that she is such a good mother-figure. Because of Sara's wishes to protect the child from the harshness of the world, she could have easily been too soft on a child, for Ariakan's liking. After all, such a child would be his heir, heir to his position and to his dream. Could a child who was cottled as an infant have the strength to carry such a burden? So, while I don't particarly like the idea of Ariakan and Sara having a child, it isn't necessarily completely unreasonable that we didn't really see such a child with Sara in the books. Correlanthias
#17 brimstone Mar 26, 2004 17:43:46	Originally posted by Correlanthias After all, such a child would be his heir, heir to his position and to his dream. Could a child who was cottled as an infant have the strength to carry such a burden? Probably not. However...Ariakan was quite fond of Steel, I think. And he was brought up from an infant by Sara.
#18 zombiegleemax Mar 26, 2004 17:47:01	I agree with this...If anyone would have been made Ariakan's heir it would have been Steel. I just see Ariakan as having been the father figure in Steel's life.
#19 zombiegleemax Mar 26, 2004 21:28:55	I think it is more likely that Ariakan might have half-siblings, nephews or nieces. Highlord Ariakas used to have a number of mistresses and slave concubines, especially favoring elven women, so its conceivable that he might have had other children, either human or half-elven, aside from Ariakan.
#20 zombiegleemax Mar 27, 2004 21:01:38	I find it almost unbelievable that the Knights of Solamnia actually captured him and did not execute him. To think that Knights of Solamnia will execute their own but not the Son of the Dragon Emperor almost defies reason
#21 zombiegleemax Mar 27, 2004 21:31:43	Originally posted by DmJoeSolarte I find it almost unbelievable that the Knights of Solamnia actually captured him and did not execute him. To think that Knights of Solamnia will execute their own but not the Son of the Dragon Emperor almost defies reason Well, if I'm not mistaken(though I may be), he wasn't very old when they found him, like a teenager or young adult, and he hadn't really done anything wrong. So, killing him would have been a bad hting to do. I htink it was just stupid, though, that they just let him free and let him go about his life oblivious to what he was doing. I htink that they should have kept him under tight security at all times(but then again, he had them so convinced of his goodness that they offered him knighthood, so he must have been a really good actor).
#22 quentingeorge Mar 27, 2004 21:37:02	What? Why should they execute him? Being the child of an evil person does not make you evil yourself. Did they kill Stalin's daughter when she defected to the West because her father was one of the worst dictators of the 20th century? Of course not. The idea that people think the Knights of Solamnia would does something like that is amazing.
#23 wolffenjugend_dup Mar 27, 2004 23:02:34	I thought Ariakan was kept under tight security but convinced his captors of his good-heartedness and eventually escaped? (Or was he allowed to leave?)
#24 zombiegleemax Mar 28, 2004 11:31:00	Originally posted by wolffenjugend I thought Ariakan was kept under tight security but convinced his captors of his good-heartedness and eventually escaped? (Or was he allowed to leave?) Is that what happened? I was under the impression that he was a high ranking Dragon Army officer when captured.
#25 cam_banks Mar 28, 2004 11:40:46	Originally posted by DmJoeSolarte Is that what happened? I was under the impression that he was a high ranking Dragon Army officer when captured. No, he was a teenager. Not even Ariakas would have promoted him to a high ranking Dragonarmy officer. Cheers, Cam
#26 zombiegleemax Mar 28, 2004 12:06:50	Originally posted by wolffenjugend I thought Ariakan was kept under tight security but convinced his captors of his good-heartedness and eventually escaped? (Or was he allowed to leave?) Ariakan never escaped. He convinced the Solamnics of his quality and honor (which he did have a lot of both areas) and they eventually offered him knighthood. He politely refused, and they allowed him to walk right out the front door. Nope, the Solamnics trained and educated their strongest enemy. Kinda like the US trained the very pilots who crashed their planes into the WTC on 9/11
#27 zombiegleemax Mar 28, 2004 12:10:18	Originally posted by DmJoeSolarte I find it almost unbelievable that the Knights of Solamnia actually captured him and did not execute him. To think that Knights of Solamnia will execute their own but not the Son of the Dragon Emperor almost defies reason The Solamnics had no reason to execute him... Yes, he was the son of Ariakas, but that doesnt make him evil. Ariakan proved his worth and honor to the Solamnics and they came to respect him. And that wasnt acting either. Remember, Ariakan was honorable and instilled that honor in the first batch of the Knights of Takhisis. Only after Ariakan's death did the Knighthood fall into dishonor, and become the glorified band of thugs and brigands that it is today.
#28 baron_the_curse Mar 30, 2004 22:53:02	Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007 Well, if I'm not mistaken(though I may be), he wasn't very old when they found him, like a teenager or young adult, and he hadn't really done anything wrong. So, killing him would have been a bad hting to do. I would say his done plenty of wrong. Since his capture he proved to be a cold, calculating, conniving sneak whose performance was executed so well he tricked the Knights into letting him go. While all the time he planned on establishing an army of darkness capable of destroying the knighthood he “admires”. Let’s examine this for a moment. He is the son of the Emperor who commands the Dragon Armies. Logic would dictate that he has been raised by a cruel man who is teaching him about warfare (and mine you not righteous proper warfare). He is being bred to one-day seat on his father’s dark throne. Upon his discovery by the Solamnic Knights, this young man slew five Solamnics rather than surrender peacefully or show any regret for his father’s sins. He is evil. As history has taught us the Solamnics would have indeed been better off killing him honorably in combat beneath the vile temple they found him.