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#1
zombiegleemax
Mar 26, 2004 21:46:55 What do people think about the appropriateness or otherwise for Dragonlance of the variant classes presented in Unearthed Arcana ? I'm especially interested in the Battle Sorcerer and Bardic Sage concepts ( who would tie in well with Knights of the Thorn and Silvanesti or Irda bardic traditions, respectively ), as well as the Divine Bard, which would be a perfect concept for pre-Age of Mortals bard characters ( since they could gain their powers from Branchalla, Gilean, and Hiddukel, rather than wielding sorcery ). Paladin of freedom is great since it gives scope for chaotic good elven paladins of Astra / Astarin. Any other opinions, comments etc?
#2
iltharanos
Mar 27, 2004 0:08:32 I like most of the class variants and are making them available for use in my campaign.

I don't particularly like the gestalt or generic classes, hence their exclusion as an option for my players.

The Divine Bard still learns and casts spells just like the standard Bard, and in that sense the Divine Bard is very much like the mystic. As a spontaneous divine caster, it'd be more in keeping with the standard Dragonlance treatment of such characters to say that they do not receive their powers from the Gods, and are merely tapping into their own divine spark irrelevant of the Deities of Krynn.
#3
zombiegleemax
Mar 27, 2004 11:40:04 I do not use them, when I read through the UA accessory in the bookstore I just did not see what was so great about it(I actually thought the book was not worth the money. One accessory that I did like though was the Miniatures Handbook, but that is another story.). For some others the book did wonders. I would be very careful about what I insert into Dragonlance though.

You do not want to disrupt the setting.

~~~
#4
zombiegleemax
Mar 27, 2004 15:41:23 Well...I wouldnt say not worth the money...it shoulda been billed as Core RuleBook 4. While I dont know about some of the features...Ill definitely be adding a couple of the new variants into my game at some point. although I know this is off topic, what I would have liked to see from UA is a base blackguard class. To offset the base paladin class....that way you could choose to make both classes prestige, or both attainable at 1st level.
#5
cam_banks
Mar 27, 2004 16:50:21
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
Well...I wouldnt say not worth the money...it shoulda been billed as Core RuleBook 4. While I dont know about some of the features...Ill definitely be adding a couple of the new variants into my game at some point. although I know this is off topic, what I would have liked to see from UA is a base blackguard class. To offset the base paladin class....that way you could choose to make both classes prestige, or both attainable at 1st level.

They did one better. They have a paladin of tyranny (lawful evil) and a paladin of slaughter (chaotic evil) to go with the existing paladin of honor from the core rules and a paladin of freedom (chaotic good). It's not quite the same as a blackguard base class, but then you could take the blackguard PrC if you have levels in paladin of tyranny or paladin of slaughter.

Cheers,
Cam
#6
zombiegleemax
Mar 27, 2004 21:15:45 You know, I hear so many people say that they didn't like UA...why don't one of you just give your unwanted copy to me?
#7
zombiegleemax
Mar 28, 2004 16:03:40
I'm especially interested in the Battle Sorcerer and Bardic Sage concepts

The Battle Sorcerer option I think to be suitable for Dragonlance campaigns, since it reflects the limited magical abilities and versatility of Fifth Age primal sorcerers.
#8
zombiegleemax
Mar 29, 2004 10:47:01
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
Well...I wouldnt say not worth the money...it shoulda been billed as Core RuleBook 4.

I disagree wholeheartedly with the idea of making an optional house rule book part of the core rules. If people like the rules from UA then make use of it, but do not try to force everyone to use such a sub-standard product(IMO. My gaming group does not like it either.) as if they were part of the core mechanics(Which it is not.).

Basically saying it should be part of the core rules is like forcing what you like personally on the public, which is not good business at all. WoTC did the right thing by making it an optional accessory. That way people that do not like traditional DnD get their variations and the core still remains intact.

~~~
#9
zombiegleemax
Mar 29, 2004 10:48:47
Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007
You know, I hear so many people say that they didn't like UA...why don't one of you just give your unwanted copy to me?

Well the reason I could not give you a copy is because I never bought that garbage in the first place. You can find it on the book store shelf where I left it collecting dust.

~~~
#10
zombiegleemax
Mar 29, 2004 14:53:25 You know, Lord of Illusions....you were saying that I was forcing my opinion on to you...we understand that you dont like the book....there is no need to force that opinion on those who do.
#11
zombiegleemax
Mar 29, 2004 14:54:37
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
You know, Lord of Illusions....you were saying that I was forcing my opinion on to you...we understand that you dont like the book....there is no need to force that opinion on those who do.

LoL! Calm down Serena.

~~~
#12
zombiegleemax
Mar 29, 2004 15:00:21 *calming down now*

LOL
#13
lily_knight
Mar 30, 2004 6:31:45 A new player is interested in taking the cloisted cleric variant as he believes this fits much better into the 'focused cleric' of Gilean then the bard does.

I tend to agree, despite former posts, as I am now allowing bards to use ambient arcane energy instead of divine magic. However instead of healing spells they gain the feat Dragonsong from the Draconomicon.

Damn Bards! They just won't fit nicely!
#14
zombiegleemax
Mar 30, 2004 7:05:58 *Hint-dropping Mode*

Since sorcery doesn't function for the mortal races during the Age of Despair, you'll see a new option for bardic characters in the War of the Lance sourcebook.

I personally thought UA was a cool book, and it has given me a number of ideas for both Dragonlance and other designs. I think you'll see it referenced in the Open Gaming License section of many future d20 products from a number of different publishers!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#15
The_White_Sorcerer
Mar 30, 2004 10:09:28
Originally posted by jechambers
Since sorcery doesn't function for the mortal races during the Age of Despair, you'll see a new option for bardic characters in the War of the Lance sourcebook.

w00t!
#16
zombiegleemax
Apr 04, 2004 8:02:57 I use the prestige bard option, but he is a divine spellcaster, and is only allowed to followers of Branchala.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Mar 26, 2004 21:46:55	What do people think about the appropriateness or otherwise for Dragonlance of the variant classes presented in Unearthed Arcana ? I'm especially interested in the Battle Sorcerer and Bardic Sage concepts ( who would tie in well with Knights of the Thorn and Silvanesti or Irda bardic traditions, respectively ), as well as the Divine Bard, which would be a perfect concept for pre-Age of Mortals bard characters ( since they could gain their powers from Branchalla, Gilean, and Hiddukel, rather than wielding sorcery ). Paladin of freedom is great since it gives scope for chaotic good elven paladins of Astra / Astarin. Any other opinions, comments etc?
#2 iltharanos Mar 27, 2004 0:08:32	I like most of the class variants and are making them available for use in my campaign. I don't particularly like the gestalt or generic classes, hence their exclusion as an option for my players. The Divine Bard still learns and casts spells just like the standard Bard, and in that sense the Divine Bard is very much like the mystic. As a spontaneous divine caster, it'd be more in keeping with the standard Dragonlance treatment of such characters to say that they do not receive their powers from the Gods, and are merely tapping into their own divine spark irrelevant of the Deities of Krynn.
#3 zombiegleemax Mar 27, 2004 11:40:04	I do not use them, when I read through the UA accessory in the bookstore I just did not see what was so great about it(I actually thought the book was not worth the money. One accessory that I did like though was the Miniatures Handbook, but that is another story.). For some others the book did wonders. I would be very careful about what I insert into Dragonlance though. You do not want to disrupt the setting. ~~~
#4 zombiegleemax Mar 27, 2004 15:41:23	Well...I wouldnt say not worth the money...it shoulda been billed as Core RuleBook 4. While I dont know about some of the features...Ill definitely be adding a couple of the new variants into my game at some point. although I know this is off topic, what I would have liked to see from UA is a base blackguard class. To offset the base paladin class....that way you could choose to make both classes prestige, or both attainable at 1st level.
#5 cam_banks Mar 27, 2004 16:50:21	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst Well...I wouldnt say not worth the money...it shoulda been billed as Core RuleBook 4. While I dont know about some of the features...Ill definitely be adding a couple of the new variants into my game at some point. although I know this is off topic, what I would have liked to see from UA is a base blackguard class. To offset the base paladin class....that way you could choose to make both classes prestige, or both attainable at 1st level. They did one better. They have a paladin of tyranny (lawful evil) and a paladin of slaughter (chaotic evil) to go with the existing paladin of honor from the core rules and a paladin of freedom (chaotic good). It's not quite the same as a blackguard base class, but then you could take the blackguard PrC if you have levels in paladin of tyranny or paladin of slaughter. Cheers, Cam
#6 zombiegleemax Mar 27, 2004 21:15:45	You know, I hear so many people say that they didn't like UA...why don't one of you just give your unwanted copy to me?
#7 zombiegleemax Mar 28, 2004 16:03:40	I'm especially interested in the Battle Sorcerer and Bardic Sage concepts The Battle Sorcerer option I think to be suitable for Dragonlance campaigns, since it reflects the limited magical abilities and versatility of Fifth Age primal sorcerers.
#8 zombiegleemax Mar 29, 2004 10:47:01	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst Well...I wouldnt say not worth the money...it shoulda been billed as Core RuleBook 4. I disagree wholeheartedly with the idea of making an optional house rule book part of the core rules. If people like the rules from UA then make use of it, but do not try to force everyone to use such a sub-standard product(IMO. My gaming group does not like it either.) as if they were part of the core mechanics(Which it is not.). Basically saying it should be part of the core rules is like forcing what you like personally on the public, which is not good business at all. WoTC did the right thing by making it an optional accessory. That way people that do not like traditional DnD get their variations and the core still remains intact. ~~~
#9 zombiegleemax Mar 29, 2004 10:48:47	Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007 You know, I hear so many people say that they didn't like UA...why don't one of you just give your unwanted copy to me? Well the reason I could not give you a copy is because I never bought that garbage in the first place. You can find it on the book store shelf where I left it collecting dust. ~~~
#10 zombiegleemax Mar 29, 2004 14:53:25	You know, Lord of Illusions....you were saying that I was forcing my opinion on to you...we understand that you dont like the book....there is no need to force that opinion on those who do.
#11 zombiegleemax Mar 29, 2004 14:54:37	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst You know, Lord of Illusions....you were saying that I was forcing my opinion on to you...we understand that you dont like the book....there is no need to force that opinion on those who do. LoL! Calm down Serena. ~~~
#12 zombiegleemax Mar 29, 2004 15:00:21	calming down now LOL
#13 lily_knight Mar 30, 2004 6:31:45	A new player is interested in taking the cloisted cleric variant as he believes this fits much better into the 'focused cleric' of Gilean then the bard does. I tend to agree, despite former posts, as I am now allowing bards to use ambient arcane energy instead of divine magic. However instead of healing spells they gain the feat Dragonsong from the Draconomicon. Damn Bards! They just won't fit nicely!
#14 zombiegleemax Mar 30, 2004 7:05:58	Hint-dropping Mode Since sorcery doesn't function for the mortal races during the Age of Despair, you'll see a new option for bardic characters in the War of the Lance sourcebook. I personally thought UA was a cool book, and it has given me a number of ideas for both Dragonlance and other designs. I think you'll see it referenced in the Open Gaming License section of many future d20 products from a number of different publishers! Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc.
#15 The_White_Sorcerer Mar 30, 2004 10:09:28	Originally posted by jechambers Since sorcery doesn't function for the mortal races during the Age of Despair, you'll see a new option for bardic characters in the War of the Lance sourcebook. w00t!
#16 zombiegleemax Apr 04, 2004 8:02:57	I use the prestige bard option, but he is a divine spellcaster, and is only allowed to followers of Branchala.