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#1
jihun-nish
Mar 30, 2004 19:23:27 In the timeline, it is specified that it was created by the rhulisti during the Blue age. and I quote. Creation of the King's Age calendar by the nature-masters based on the rotation of Athas's two moons. Originally titled "World's Age." Original calendar uses "Ocean" instead of "Silt," and "Island" instead of "Desert."

It seem to me then,that dragons did exist during the Blue Age since there are no mention of any word switch as *ocean and islands* had.

I'M not saying those dragons were the D&D tipical type. In fact these dragons were probably just powerfull flying beast in strengh and size(huge or giant size being the maximum) with a breath weapon (A dragon without it is merely a drake right??:D ) butno magic abilities what-so-ever.

Hmmm let me think of a quick/short dragon theory.(next post)
#2
jihun-nish
Mar 30, 2004 19:29:40 Sometime in the Blue age era, elemental clerics made their aparition. So...

1--With clerical magic came the appearance of a new creature: dragons.
2-- with time more and more dragon of various type(earth, water,air,fire) could be encountered
2.1-- Each dragon type possessed some clerical innate abilities but not magical(lets say supernatural)

3-- nowadays, they are called drakes and are now a fraction of what they use to be.

Ah... like I said, it's a short theory, it's a start
#3
zombiegleemax
Mar 30, 2004 19:30:16
A dragon without it is merely a drake right??

Naa, drakes don't have that whole 'age catagory' thing.
#4
jihun-nish
Mar 30, 2004 19:34:15
Originally posted by Mach2.5
Naa, drakes don't have that whole 'age catagory' thing.

haa yeah forgot about that detail... but I was speaking more *grotesquelly* in general: dragon and breath weapon are a must.
#5
zombiegleemax
Mar 30, 2004 20:53:47 It's entirely possible that more "traditional" dragon types existed during the Blue Age, especially things like Sea Dragons, Mist Dragons, Dragon Turtles, etc. Many would likely have died in the Rebirth or were killed during the Green Age before the advanced beings ever came about.
#6
Pennarin
Mar 30, 2004 21:19:40 In the real world we have dragons and gods, but they're not real.
On athas they have both, even thought they never really existed. When Rajaat explained to his Champions what they were becoming (or if you prefer to think it was Borys) he told them they would become 'dragons', a word/concept that is the very expression of power. Proof? Just look at what we are doing right now: discussing...dragons!
Just like someone could have said instead to the champions that they would become 'dogs of wars', if Shakespeare had been from athas...

So I believe the use of the word Dragon in the Calendar is just that, an adaptation of myth. Just like our use of words like Sunday.

Edit: The english in this post is quite poor and written in a confused manner but I really tried. Hope it makes sense.
#7
jihun-nish
Mar 30, 2004 22:58:15
Originally posted by Pennarin

So I believe the use of the word Dragon in the Calendar is just that, an adaptation of myth. Just like our use of words like Sunday.

I dont think so for like the 2 words mentionned above, the word dragon would have had been a replacement of an other word. But it is not the case meaning it had to exist already in the Blue Age.

And for the more basic dragon mentionned by Psionycx, well, maybe and it would make sence, but I prefer a more unique dragon like all the other monsters in Athas.

And the fact that there are no knowned Dragon of old still roaming the Tyr region is because the elemental dragons are almost annihilated in their own inner plane. (remember it's eternal war there ) and those still on Athas are now drakes(elemental.)

That's my take....
#8
zombiegleemax
Mar 31, 2004 1:30:47
Originally posted by Jihun-Nish
In the timeline, it is specified that it was created by the rhulisti during the Blue age. and I quote. Creation of the King's Age calendar by the nature-masters based on the rotation of Athas's two moons. Originally titled "World's Age." Original calendar uses "Ocean" instead of "Silt," and "Island" instead of "Desert."

It seem to me then,that dragons did exist during the Blue Age since there are no mention of any word switch as *ocean and islands* had.

I'M not saying those dragons were the D&D tipical type. In fact these dragons were probably just powerfull flying beast in strengh and size(huge or giant size being the maximum) with a breath weapon (A dragon without it is merely a drake right??:D ) butno magic abilities what-so-ever.

Hmmm let me think of a quick/short dragon theory.(next post)

What? In what you quoted, I saw nothing at all like a mention of a dragon. Did I misunderstand something?
#9
zombiegleemax
Mar 31, 2004 1:32:23 Oh. I get it now. The bit about the dragons in the calender.
#10
zombiegleemax
Mar 31, 2004 7:21:08 I think during the Blue Age "dragon" was the term used to refer to a drake. The old DS Monstrous Compendium Appendix never quite told us when the drakes migrated to Athas, so hell, it could have easily been during the Blue Age.

For thousands of years, in the Blue and Green Ages, Athas could have viewed drakes the way Ansalonians and Faerunians viewed regular dragons: With fear, awe, and mystical wonderment. Drake-slayers probably existed, for much the same reasons as a Faerunian dragonslayer (after all, Athasian drakes are known for their hoards).

However, during the Cleansing Wars, a new type of dragon appeared: The Champions. Humans and non-humans alike began calling drakes drakes, in an effort to differentiate the elemental beasts of old from the defiling reptile-gods of the then-current era.

--so yes, the year-word "Dragon" probably really means "Drake" NB
#11
Pennarin
Mar 31, 2004 12:13:18
Originally posted by Nero's Boot
I think during the Blue Age "dragon" was the term used to refer to a drake.

--so yes, the year-word "Dragon" probably really means "Drake" NB

Works for me
#12
jihun-nish
Mar 31, 2004 19:45:28
Originally posted by Nero's Boot
I think during the Blue Age "dragon" was the term used to refer to a drake. The old DS Monstrous Compendium Appendix never quite told us when the drakes migrated to Athas, so hell, it could have easily been during the Blue Age.

For thousands of years, in the Blue and Green Ages, Athas could have viewed drakes the way Ansalonians and Faerunians viewed regular dragons: With fear, awe, and mystical wonderment. Drake-slayers probably existed, for much the same reasons as a Faerunian dragonslayer (after all, Athasian drakes are known for their hoards).

However, during the Cleansing Wars, a new type of dragon appeared: The Champions. Humans and non-humans alike began calling drakes drakes, in an effort to differentiate the elemental beasts of old from the defiling reptile-gods of the then-current era.

--so yes, the year-word "Dragon" probably really means "Drake" NB

It actually make sence .... to bad though

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 jihun-nish Mar 30, 2004 19:23:27	In the timeline, it is specified that it was created by the rhulisti during the Blue age. and I quote. Creation of the King's Age calendar by the nature-masters based on the rotation of Athas's two moons. Originally titled "World's Age." Original calendar uses "Ocean" instead of "Silt," and "Island" instead of "Desert." It seem to me then,that dragons did exist during the Blue Age since there are no mention of any word switch as ocean and islands had. I'M not saying those dragons were the D&D tipical type. In fact these dragons were probably just powerfull flying beast in strengh and size(huge or giant size being the maximum) with a breath weapon (A dragon without it is merely a drake right??:D ) butno magic abilities what-so-ever. Hmmm let me think of a quick/short dragon theory.(next post)
#2 jihun-nish Mar 30, 2004 19:29:40	Sometime in the Blue age era, elemental clerics made their aparition. So... 1--With clerical magic came the appearance of a new creature: dragons. 2-- with time more and more dragon of various type(earth, water,air,fire) could be encountered 2.1-- Each dragon type possessed some clerical innate abilities but not magical(lets say supernatural) 3-- nowadays, they are called drakes and are now a fraction of what they use to be. Ah... like I said, it's a short theory, it's a start
#3 zombiegleemax Mar 30, 2004 19:30:16	A dragon without it is merely a drake right?? Naa, drakes don't have that whole 'age catagory' thing.
#4 jihun-nish Mar 30, 2004 19:34:15	Originally posted by Mach2.5 Naa, drakes don't have that whole 'age catagory' thing. haa yeah forgot about that detail... but I was speaking more grotesquelly in general: dragon and breath weapon are a must.
#5 zombiegleemax Mar 30, 2004 20:53:47	It's entirely possible that more "traditional" dragon types existed during the Blue Age, especially things like Sea Dragons, Mist Dragons, Dragon Turtles, etc. Many would likely have died in the Rebirth or were killed during the Green Age before the advanced beings ever came about.
#6 Pennarin Mar 30, 2004 21:19:40	In the real world we have dragons and gods, but they're not real. On athas they have both, even thought they never really existed. When Rajaat explained to his Champions what they were becoming (or if you prefer to think it was Borys) he told them they would become 'dragons', a word/concept that is the very expression of power. Proof? Just look at what we are doing right now: discussing...dragons! Just like someone could have said instead to the champions that they would become 'dogs of wars', if Shakespeare had been from athas... So I believe the use of the word Dragon in the Calendar is just that, an adaptation of myth. Just like our use of words like Sunday. Edit: The english in this post is quite poor and written in a confused manner but I really tried. Hope it makes sense.
#7 jihun-nish Mar 30, 2004 22:58:15	Originally posted by Pennarin So I believe the use of the word Dragon in the Calendar is just that, an adaptation of myth. Just like our use of words like Sunday. I dont think so for like the 2 words mentionned above, the word dragon would have had been a replacement of an other word. But it is not the case meaning it had to exist already in the Blue Age. And for the more basic dragon mentionned by Psionycx, well, maybe and it would make sence, but I prefer a more unique dragon like all the other monsters in Athas. And the fact that there are no knowned Dragon of old still roaming the Tyr region is because the elemental dragons are almost annihilated in their own inner plane. (remember it's eternal war there ) and those still on Athas are now drakes(elemental.) That's my take....
#8 zombiegleemax Mar 31, 2004 1:30:47	Originally posted by Jihun-Nish In the timeline, it is specified that it was created by the rhulisti during the Blue age. and I quote. Creation of the King's Age calendar by the nature-masters based on the rotation of Athas's two moons. Originally titled "World's Age." Original calendar uses "Ocean" instead of "Silt," and "Island" instead of "Desert." It seem to me then,that dragons did exist during the Blue Age since there are no mention of any word switch as ocean and islands had. I'M not saying those dragons were the D&D tipical type. In fact these dragons were probably just powerfull flying beast in strengh and size(huge or giant size being the maximum) with a breath weapon (A dragon without it is merely a drake right??:D ) butno magic abilities what-so-ever. Hmmm let me think of a quick/short dragon theory.(next post) What? In what you quoted, I saw nothing at all like a mention of a dragon. Did I misunderstand something?
#9 zombiegleemax Mar 31, 2004 1:32:23	Oh. I get it now. The bit about the dragons in the calender.
#10 zombiegleemax Mar 31, 2004 7:21:08	I think during the Blue Age "dragon" was the term used to refer to a drake. The old DS Monstrous Compendium Appendix never quite told us when the drakes migrated to Athas, so hell, it could have easily been during the Blue Age. For thousands of years, in the Blue and Green Ages, Athas could have viewed drakes the way Ansalonians and Faerunians viewed regular dragons: With fear, awe, and mystical wonderment. Drake-slayers probably existed, for much the same reasons as a Faerunian dragonslayer (after all, Athasian drakes are known for their hoards). However, during the Cleansing Wars, a new type of dragon appeared: The Champions. Humans and non-humans alike began calling drakes drakes, in an effort to differentiate the elemental beasts of old from the defiling reptile-gods of the then-current era. --so yes, the year-word "Dragon" probably really means "Drake" NB
#11 Pennarin Mar 31, 2004 12:13:18	Originally posted by Nero's Boot I think during the Blue Age "dragon" was the term used to refer to a drake. --so yes, the year-word "Dragon" probably really means "Drake" NB Works for me
#12 jihun-nish Mar 31, 2004 19:45:28	Originally posted by Nero's Boot I think during the Blue Age "dragon" was the term used to refer to a drake. The old DS Monstrous Compendium Appendix never quite told us when the drakes migrated to Athas, so hell, it could have easily been during the Blue Age. For thousands of years, in the Blue and Green Ages, Athas could have viewed drakes the way Ansalonians and Faerunians viewed regular dragons: With fear, awe, and mystical wonderment. Drake-slayers probably existed, for much the same reasons as a Faerunian dragonslayer (after all, Athasian drakes are known for their hoards). However, during the Cleansing Wars, a new type of dragon appeared: The Champions. Humans and non-humans alike began calling drakes drakes, in an effort to differentiate the elemental beasts of old from the defiling reptile-gods of the then-current era. --so yes, the year-word "Dragon" probably really means "Drake" NB It actually make sence .... to bad though