"I have Dragon #319. Got it at my FLGS today. Here's a rundown:
Dark Sun Players Handbook
P. 16—Races of Dark Sun: Aaroakocras, dwarves, elans, elves, half-elves, half-giants, halflings, humans, maenads, muls, pterrans, thri-kreen. Of note is that all the races have a level adjustment of +1 or +2.
P. 32—Classes of Dark Sun: We don't see huge changes to the core classes. Clerics are must choose an elemental domain. There's a list of granted domains for the various dragon-kings. Paladins are NOT excluded (but are cited as being extremely rare). The class list includes the classes that will appear in the XPH.
P. 38—Equipment & Rules: Materials and cost rules. 3.5e descriptions of Dark Sun weapons (cahulaks, carrikal, etc). Some basic (very basic) outlines on castes, skills, and spells and how/why they are different on Athas."
*sits back and reaches for popcorn*
Nothing really interesting...
... and the paladin
I could imagine the anger of people who tried to maintain some balance in the rules (I mean DD3.5 compatible) and to see that the "More-official-than-the-official-even-if-the-last-isn't-less-official-as-the-other" source gives to all races a level ajustment of +1 or +2... (powergamer?)
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...Originally posted by Nefal
I could imagine the anger of people who tried to maintain some balance in the rules (I mean DD3.5 compatible) and to see that the "More-official-than-the-official-even-if-the-last-isn't-less-official-as-the-other" source gives to all races a level ajustment of +1 or +2... (powergamer?)
Well, if they're feeling anything negative, I'd imagine defeatism is probably high on the list.
Thanks in advance.
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
Any word on whether or not they're including sorcerers? If so, I'm curious as to how they're being included.
Thanks in advance.
I am sure they are. They released the article on defiling back in the campaign classics issue, which mentioned sorcerers.
Another thing I noticed was the races get one bonus power and 3 pp to power them
Originally posted by Sean Dickson
I have it right here. The Sorceror is valid. It says they that it occurs randomly and that they try to hide as wizards.
Hide *as* wizards? Um, aren't *wizards* the ones that hide and fear for their very existance?
Originally posted by Sean Dickson
I report only what I read...some carry fake spellbooks *shrug*
Isn't that like a mugger trying to hide as a murderer? Good grief, that's absolutely hilarious...
Well I had just planed on using the sorceror the base for Shadow,Cerulean and Necromancer classes. Then I was gonna swap the limit on spells known with a limit on what kind of schools they could pick their spells from and add some light flavor
benifits (differant for each of them of course) at roughly the same level that wizards get their bonus feats.
Paladins? How the hell are you gonna have paladins? That so far is the only thing that I dont like the idea of at all. :sad: I can handle monks no prob, same with barbarians, but paladins just don't belong in athas at all.
Originally posted by Nightdruid
Well, if they're feeling anything negative, I'd imagine defeatism is probably high on the list.
Too...
Paladins have no business in DS. The first one that argues the point of a elemental champion or such foolishness will receive a spinning back kick to the throat!
--Sysane, The Terror of Urik
More watered down Dark Sun for the community.
Love it!
:thumbsdow
Originally posted by Sysane
Paladins have no business in DS. The first one that argues the point of a elemental champion or such foolishness will receive a spinning back kick to the throat!
Dammit, now you've got me thinking that there -could- be Paladins on Athas. Not Paladins in the tradional divine powers/good feelings sense, but devoted to the protection of their chosen element. They wouldn't be bound by alignment either.
Originally posted by beyowulf
Dammit, now you've got me thinking that there -could- be Paladins on Athas. Not Paladins in the tradional divine powers/good feelings sense, but devoted to the protection of their chosen element. They wouldn't be bound by alignment either.
Yeah, a warrior/elemental cleric combo would be cool, just minus the whole Lawful Good and goody goody thing.
Originally posted by NytCrawlr
Yeah, a warrior/elemental cleric combo would be cool, just minus the whole Lawful Good and goody goody thing.
Right, they be like Elemental Clerics, but with less spells, and higher BAB, etc.
Originally posted by beyowulf
Dammit, now you've got me thinking that there -could- be Paladins on Athas. Not Paladins in the tradional divine powers/good feelings sense, but devoted to the protection of their chosen element. They wouldn't be bound by alignment either.
Ya, but I'd imagine it'd practically be a new class ;)
Originally posted by NytCrawlr
Wow!
More watered down Dark Sun for the community.
Love it!
:thumbsdow
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for your :thumbsdow.:D
Yeah, a warrior/elemental cleric combo would be cool, just minus the whole Lawful Good and goody goody thing.
Major OT now, but I love this idea. I've already got wizard elementalists, but I dunno, it just never occured to me to do up something with elemental warriors. The more I think about it though, the more I worry that it might come across as a little too 'superhero-ish' to fit very well. Could just be turned into a PrC (I think a Dragon mag from less than a year ago had some, but they may have been clerical PrCs).
(edit) Damn, almost forgot. Granted, the pic is not full sized, but the warrior looks cross-eyed. Its just hard to find someone intimidating when you know they see two of you and you've got a good chance that they'll aim for the wrong one.
Originally posted by beyowulf
Dammit, now you've got me thinking that there -could- be Paladins on Athas. Not Paladins in the tradional divine powers/good feelings sense, but devoted to the protection of their chosen element. They wouldn't be bound by alignment either.
I worked up an "elemental paladin" back in second edition. Instead of summoning a war horse, he summons an elemental for a short time a day.
I think, if I were to do it for 3e, I'd go for an Elemental Champion prestige class. Require some warrior abilities and the ability to cast divine spells. Give them the ability to summon an elemental, maybe have their spell progression at every other level.
"Smite defiler" might be a bit cheesy, though. ;)
An Athas Paladin would be a warrior who fights by a code of honor. That is what defines them. Maybe their rules could include acts fo mercy, fearlessness in battle, and self-sacrifice. That at least would be a start.
Edit: A little more thought in this area. If it were me, I'd first develop the code of honor, and then use that to define the class. For example, say as part of that code, if a paladin encounters a traveler in the desert with no water, the paladin could fill the skin of that traveler with water (create water ability/spell). Or, in order to save others, is bestowed with great strength to fight foes (strength spell/power). Etc.
Also, a couple clarifications on the artwork gripes from a previous thread. Somebody was complaining that the Dark Sun artwork was featuring a lot of metal armor clad warriors. Well I read into the article in Dungeon and that half-man half-lion dude with the plate mail on? That's Hammanu, and if he wants to wear metal armor, I think I'll let him