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#1
sweetmeats
Apr 02, 2004 20:01:04 I've been thinking (and looking forward to) about the Holy Order of the Star's book when we get it.

What sort of prestige classes would you like to see in there? Clerical ones always seem either few on the ground or spread over multiple gods.
#2
Dragonhelm
Apr 02, 2004 20:55:23 How about a prestige class per deity that would represent the chosen of the deity? More than just a cleric, the prestige class would be representative of the ideals of the deity.

For example, you could have a plague cultist for Morgion, a bardic PrC for Branchala, a clerical monk for Majere, etc. etc.

Wow, 21 prestige classes with the deities alone! This doesn't include anything like the Seekers, heathen clerics, clerics that belong to any sort of organization (i.e. Solamnic Auxiliary), etc.

So what types of PrCs would you guys like to see in Holy Orders of the Stars?
#3
zombiegleemax
Apr 02, 2004 21:22:21 Yeah, that would be good, but I really think a little work could be done to tweak existing ones. Kiri-Jolith would be best suited, I think, with the Divine Champion from FR. Yeah, no new spells, but they get the martial progress...rename it Avenger of Kiri-Jolith or something like that. Contemplative for Gilean. Any number of the druid classes for the druid gods, etc.

Talk of new Prestige Classes is nice, but I already think there are plenty, and not much else can be done without it getting ridiculous. My ideal of a ninja (a character open to interpretation)would be about 2 parts monk to 1 part thief to 1 part fighter. This would fit me great. Unarmed beast, some good beef from the fighter, some miscellany feats from fighter, and all the trap and sleight of hand and sneak attack from thief. There are already a few ninja PrCs I know of, and some have nice abilities and all that, but you can really just about accomplish anything with smart planning and good multiclassing choices.
#4
zombiegleemax
Apr 02, 2004 21:33:56 I'd actually like to see Secrets of the Orders for the Holy Orders of the Stars, similar to the Secrets of the WoHS.

Also it would be good to see PrCs for the Specialist preists of each of the Gods. While the Seekers and such probably won't be in the book, since they are not connected to the Hoky Orders, it might be good to see a Prestige Class for clerics of the High God, as well as for clerics/mystics who follow the Fallen Gods of Paladine and Takhisis. It also might be good to see an Index of differences/options available to versions of the PrCs if the characters are from, say, Taladas, representing the difference in the way the gods are veiwed/worshipped there.

Templates for the Chosen of a God might be nice, but its opposite, a God's Appostate, might be even better.

I already allow the Divine Champion and such classes from the FR setting in my campaign, but I wouldn't frown on similar in the Holy Orders book.

Maybe factions and suborders within each church.

Writeups, but not neccesrily stats for the important people in each order.

Maybe start each God's section of with an important, though abreviated, quote from the Articles of the Faith for that Order.

The Important Holidays for each Faith, and a brief on how they might celebrate such a day.

PrCs which allow Rangers to follow a god other than a nature god at first level might be good (such as a Ranger in service to Mishakal, who hunts the undead, and aids the needy.)

These are just things I think it may be nice to see, but if they aren't in there, I can always work out the details on my own when the need comes up. No matter what is in the book, I'm looking foward to it.
#5
wolffenjugend_dup
Apr 02, 2004 22:01:24 I'd like to see more meat (backgrounds, histories, places of worship, etc.) than prestige classes - we've got plenty of those as it is. Also, specifics on how the different faiths get along with each other and specifics on the individual faiths themselves (i.e. more extensive dogma and perhaps some myths).
#6
Dragonhelm
Apr 02, 2004 22:04:31 I'd like some in-depth material on how various regions see the gods. Not every region views the gods in the same way, after all.
#7
darthsylver
Apr 03, 2004 10:29:04 I'm with wolffenjugend and dragonhelm. I want to see more meat than Prc. Don't get me wrong, Prc are great to see to see, but I don't want to see half the book dedicated to them.

I want to see how each of the religions show thier dedication to their god, or what religious prectices they practice.

Perhaps a few specific areas of krynn (including taladas and the other lands) that are sacred to individual gods.

Stuff like this is what I would like to see.

Also if there are any plans to make\create replacements for Takky and Paladine.
#8
sweetmeats
Apr 03, 2004 12:41:33 Oh I agree. More info less rules, but currently Dragonlance is thin on the ground when it comes to clerical/druidic prestige classes.
#9
zombiegleemax
Apr 03, 2004 13:22:23 As usual, Im up for both....I want to see the meaty fluffy stuff that makes the DL divine related subjects so darn interesting...

But I also want to see a good sized portion also be a number of prestige classes that are basically specialty clerics....Something for the Seekers...The renegade wizards in the service of the Kingpriest...A great number of campaign related feats, especially divine feats....and maybe even a way for the mystic to take advantage of divine feats without having to have the Sun Domain. Thats the one area where I think the Mystic got shafted...they have no way of channeling the energy to take advantage of those feats....I think this book would be the perfect place to add something that could help them use divine feats.
#10
eaglos
Apr 03, 2004 17:49:31 What I need is more backgrounds/descriptions/juice. We have enough prestige classes already. Quite a few of them are useless/unrealistic/out of concept.
#11
cam_banks
Apr 03, 2004 18:44:20
Originally posted by Eaglos
What I need is more backgrounds/descriptions/juice. We have enough prestige classes already. Quite a few of them are useless/unrealistic/out of concept.

Understood/noted/gotcha.

Cheers,
Cam
#12
zombiegleemax
Apr 03, 2004 22:58:49
Originally posted by darthsylver
I'm with wolffenjugend and dragonhelm. I want to see more meat than Prc. Don't get me wrong, Prc are great to see to see, but I don't want to see half the book dedicated to them.

Hey, half-and-half wouldn't be so bad...if half of the book is 200 pages...

Actually, I love Prestige classes. I find them really, really cool, and often great ways to bring up role-playing oppurtunities in my campagns. It also lets a character be more special. For instance, a Knight of the Crown *COULD* just be a fighter. He would still be a Knight, but stat-wise would be just like every other knight-concept character, while with the PrC he will only be similar to other Crown Knights.

Also, I think divine casters have been severely shafted on PrCs. I own the Book of Exaulted Deeds and Defenders of the Faith(although I a friend borrowed Defenders and still had it when he went to Afganistan, or Iraq, or somewhere, so I think it's gone now), and those books are pretty much it when it comes to divine casters(except, of course, for the Complete Divine, which I really want), and even in the BoED, most of the PrCs in there are more for Paladins or Rangers. Seriously.

Also, a note: some people were saying things like such-and-such PrC from the FRCS would be fine, they don't have to have new ones. Well, when they write the book, they have to assume that you only have the core books and the DLCS, and possibly the AoM(I think pretty much everybody has both), so they can't just say "Look in the FRCS." I'm pretty sure they could reprint those PrC's, though, so I'm not saying that it won't be in there. Like, for example, I think Spellcasting Prodigy first appeared in the FRCS. Well, it was reprinted because they could not assume you had the FRCS, because we all know that to assume makes an ass out of you and me.
#13
lily_knight
Apr 06, 2004 7:08:37
Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007
because we all know that to assume makes an ass out of you and me.

Damn, you sound like my mentally unstable gym teacher ...no offence intended of course.

I don't mind reprints, especially because most of the stuff in the FR is 3e, so updating it wouldn't be too bad. However there is one thing I would like to see: variety and distinction between clerical and mystical feats. I don't want to see the book filled with the Divine feats that require the turning ability.
#14
darthsylver
Apr 06, 2004 9:06:51 I am sory but I definitely do not want to see any Prc from the FRCS or any other setting. Dragonlance has more than enough flavor of it's our than to have to borrow Prc from other worlds.

Tp be honest I didn't really like seeing FRCS Prc in the DMG (Archmage & Red wizard). I personally feel that setting specific classes should stay in their respective settings.

Feats on the other are not always setting specific so I do not mind those being swapped between worlds as long as they fit.
#15
calabozo
Apr 06, 2004 10:42:13 Is ok to discuss PrC in this board? Because I was thinking in one for the clerics of Kiri-Jolith and would love to post my ideas but i dont want to get told to go to the PrC board.

I think since its a Dragonlance related it would be ok, any Wizo care to solve this? or anyone that knows?

Thanks.
#16
talinthas
Apr 06, 2004 11:36:33 go ahead, we'd love to see it =)
#17
Dragonhelm
Apr 06, 2004 11:43:30
Originally posted by Calabozo
Is ok to discuss PrC in this board? Because I was thinking in one for the clerics of Kiri-Jolith and would love to post my ideas but i dont want to get told to go to the PrC board.

I think since its a Dragonlance related it would be ok, any Wizo care to solve this? or anyone that knows?

Thanks.

It's okay to post DL-specific PrCs on this board.
#18
zombiegleemax
Apr 06, 2004 16:08:50 I would think the Warpriest prestige class from Defenders of the Faith would be very suitable for priests of Kiri-Jorith and Sargonnas (priests of Kiri-Jorith should channel positive and those of Sargonnas negative energy). One might even waive the restriction on multiclassing for Knights of Solamnia and of the Skull.
#19
calabozo
Apr 14, 2004 16:19:24 I was out of town thats why I dindt reply sooner, anyway, I dont have a PrC created I only have some ideas and wanted to discuss them with you guys, I was thinking on give the PrC the feat Scribe scroll at first level since its a sort of war priest it would need to have some spells in scrolls, also I wanted it to have Wp specialization in some point ( I want to make the domain War a prereq.), I was thinking in give him an abilitity that gives bonus to attack but not to him to his companions, and that ability should improve ( in number of companions or bonus or both) with level, and of course some spell progresion. Well this is only the Skeleton of the PrC, its my first time creating something for the game so be patient with me :D

Can you help me create and balance this PrC? if you have ideas about some abilities or something else please tell them.

Oh! and the whole theme of the PrC is some sort of protector, with the evil forcers over Ansalon ( KoN, Dragon overlords ) some clerics of Kiri Jolith have taken the role of protecting the ppl and fight this forces, thats the basic Idea more to come later.

Thanks. :D

P.S. When is KoD going to be out? its almos half april and the bestiary already has a release date. Why KoD have one?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 sweetmeats Apr 02, 2004 20:01:04	I've been thinking (and looking forward to) about the Holy Order of the Star's book when we get it. What sort of prestige classes would you like to see in there? Clerical ones always seem either few on the ground or spread over multiple gods.
#2 Dragonhelm Apr 02, 2004 20:55:23	How about a prestige class per deity that would represent the chosen of the deity? More than just a cleric, the prestige class would be representative of the ideals of the deity. For example, you could have a plague cultist for Morgion, a bardic PrC for Branchala, a clerical monk for Majere, etc. etc. Wow, 21 prestige classes with the deities alone! This doesn't include anything like the Seekers, heathen clerics, clerics that belong to any sort of organization (i.e. Solamnic Auxiliary), etc. So what types of PrCs would you guys like to see in Holy Orders of the Stars?
#3 zombiegleemax Apr 02, 2004 21:22:21	Yeah, that would be good, but I really think a little work could be done to tweak existing ones. Kiri-Jolith would be best suited, I think, with the Divine Champion from FR. Yeah, no new spells, but they get the martial progress...rename it Avenger of Kiri-Jolith or something like that. Contemplative for Gilean. Any number of the druid classes for the druid gods, etc. Talk of new Prestige Classes is nice, but I already think there are plenty, and not much else can be done without it getting ridiculous. My ideal of a ninja (a character open to interpretation)would be about 2 parts monk to 1 part thief to 1 part fighter. This would fit me great. Unarmed beast, some good beef from the fighter, some miscellany feats from fighter, and all the trap and sleight of hand and sneak attack from thief. There are already a few ninja PrCs I know of, and some have nice abilities and all that, but you can really just about accomplish anything with smart planning and good multiclassing choices.
#4 zombiegleemax Apr 02, 2004 21:33:56	I'd actually like to see Secrets of the Orders for the Holy Orders of the Stars, similar to the Secrets of the WoHS. Also it would be good to see PrCs for the Specialist preists of each of the Gods. While the Seekers and such probably won't be in the book, since they are not connected to the Hoky Orders, it might be good to see a Prestige Class for clerics of the High God, as well as for clerics/mystics who follow the Fallen Gods of Paladine and Takhisis. It also might be good to see an Index of differences/options available to versions of the PrCs if the characters are from, say, Taladas, representing the difference in the way the gods are veiwed/worshipped there. Templates for the Chosen of a God might be nice, but its opposite, a God's Appostate, might be even better. I already allow the Divine Champion and such classes from the FR setting in my campaign, but I wouldn't frown on similar in the Holy Orders book. Maybe factions and suborders within each church. Writeups, but not neccesrily stats for the important people in each order. Maybe start each God's section of with an important, though abreviated, quote from the Articles of the Faith for that Order. The Important Holidays for each Faith, and a brief on how they might celebrate such a day. PrCs which allow Rangers to follow a god other than a nature god at first level might be good (such as a Ranger in service to Mishakal, who hunts the undead, and aids the needy.) These are just things I think it may be nice to see, but if they aren't in there, I can always work out the details on my own when the need comes up. No matter what is in the book, I'm looking foward to it.
#5 wolffenjugend_dup Apr 02, 2004 22:01:24	I'd like to see more meat (backgrounds, histories, places of worship, etc.) than prestige classes - we've got plenty of those as it is. Also, specifics on how the different faiths get along with each other and specifics on the individual faiths themselves (i.e. more extensive dogma and perhaps some myths).
#6 Dragonhelm Apr 02, 2004 22:04:31	I'd like some in-depth material on how various regions see the gods. Not every region views the gods in the same way, after all.
#7 darthsylver Apr 03, 2004 10:29:04	I'm with wolffenjugend and dragonhelm. I want to see more meat than Prc. Don't get me wrong, Prc are great to see to see, but I don't want to see half the book dedicated to them. I want to see how each of the religions show thier dedication to their god, or what religious prectices they practice. Perhaps a few specific areas of krynn (including taladas and the other lands) that are sacred to individual gods. Stuff like this is what I would like to see. Also if there are any plans to make\create replacements for Takky and Paladine.
#8 sweetmeats Apr 03, 2004 12:41:33	Oh I agree. More info less rules, but currently Dragonlance is thin on the ground when it comes to clerical/druidic prestige classes.
#9 zombiegleemax Apr 03, 2004 13:22:23	As usual, Im up for both....I want to see the meaty fluffy stuff that makes the DL divine related subjects so darn interesting... But I also want to see a good sized portion also be a number of prestige classes that are basically specialty clerics....Something for the Seekers...The renegade wizards in the service of the Kingpriest...A great number of campaign related feats, especially divine feats....and maybe even a way for the mystic to take advantage of divine feats without having to have the Sun Domain. Thats the one area where I think the Mystic got shafted...they have no way of channeling the energy to take advantage of those feats....I think this book would be the perfect place to add something that could help them use divine feats.
#10 eaglos Apr 03, 2004 17:49:31	What I need is more backgrounds/descriptions/juice. We have enough prestige classes already. Quite a few of them are useless/unrealistic/out of concept.
#11 cam_banks Apr 03, 2004 18:44:20	Originally posted by Eaglos What I need is more backgrounds/descriptions/juice. We have enough prestige classes already. Quite a few of them are useless/unrealistic/out of concept. Understood/noted/gotcha. Cheers, Cam
#12 zombiegleemax Apr 03, 2004 22:58:49	Originally posted by darthsylver I'm with wolffenjugend and dragonhelm. I want to see more meat than Prc. Don't get me wrong, Prc are great to see to see, but I don't want to see half the book dedicated to them. Hey, half-and-half wouldn't be so bad...if half of the book is 200 pages... Actually, I love Prestige classes. I find them really, really cool, and often great ways to bring up role-playing oppurtunities in my campagns. It also lets a character be more special. For instance, a Knight of the Crown COULD just be a fighter. He would still be a Knight, but stat-wise would be just like every other knight-concept character, while with the PrC he will only be similar to other Crown Knights. Also, I think divine casters have been severely shafted on PrCs. I own the Book of Exaulted Deeds and Defenders of the Faith(although I a friend borrowed Defenders and still had it when he went to Afganistan, or Iraq, or somewhere, so I think it's gone now), and those books are pretty much it when it comes to divine casters(except, of course, for the Complete Divine, which I really want), and even in the BoED, most of the PrCs in there are more for Paladins or Rangers. Seriously. Also, a note: some people were saying things like such-and-such PrC from the FRCS would be fine, they don't have to have new ones. Well, when they write the book, they have to assume that you only have the core books and the DLCS, and possibly the AoM(I think pretty much everybody has both), so they can't just say "Look in the FRCS." I'm pretty sure they could reprint those PrC's, though, so I'm not saying that it won't be in there. Like, for example, I think Spellcasting Prodigy first appeared in the FRCS. Well, it was reprinted because they could not assume you had the FRCS, because we all know that to assume makes an ass out of you and me.
#13 lily_knight Apr 06, 2004 7:08:37	Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007 because we all know that to assume makes an ass out of you and me. Damn, you sound like my mentally unstable gym teacher ...no offence intended of course. I don't mind reprints, especially because most of the stuff in the FR is 3e, so updating it wouldn't be too bad. However there is one thing I would like to see: variety and distinction between clerical and mystical feats. I don't want to see the book filled with the Divine feats that require the turning ability.
#14 darthsylver Apr 06, 2004 9:06:51	I am sory but I definitely do not want to see any Prc from the FRCS or any other setting. Dragonlance has more than enough flavor of it's our than to have to borrow Prc from other worlds. Tp be honest I didn't really like seeing FRCS Prc in the DMG (Archmage & Red wizard). I personally feel that setting specific classes should stay in their respective settings. Feats on the other are not always setting specific so I do not mind those being swapped between worlds as long as they fit.
#15 calabozo Apr 06, 2004 10:42:13	Is ok to discuss PrC in this board? Because I was thinking in one for the clerics of Kiri-Jolith and would love to post my ideas but i dont want to get told to go to the PrC board. I think since its a Dragonlance related it would be ok, any Wizo care to solve this? or anyone that knows? Thanks.
#16 talinthas Apr 06, 2004 11:36:33	go ahead, we'd love to see it =)
#17 Dragonhelm Apr 06, 2004 11:43:30	Originally posted by Calabozo Is ok to discuss PrC in this board? Because I was thinking in one for the clerics of Kiri-Jolith and would love to post my ideas but i dont want to get told to go to the PrC board. I think since its a Dragonlance related it would be ok, any Wizo care to solve this? or anyone that knows? Thanks. It's okay to post DL-specific PrCs on this board.
#18 zombiegleemax Apr 06, 2004 16:08:50	I would think the Warpriest prestige class from Defenders of the Faith would be very suitable for priests of Kiri-Jorith and Sargonnas (priests of Kiri-Jorith should channel positive and those of Sargonnas negative energy). One might even waive the restriction on multiclassing for Knights of Solamnia and of the Skull.
#19 calabozo Apr 14, 2004 16:19:24	I was out of town thats why I dindt reply sooner, anyway, I dont have a PrC created I only have some ideas and wanted to discuss them with you guys, I was thinking on give the PrC the feat Scribe scroll at first level since its a sort of war priest it would need to have some spells in scrolls, also I wanted it to have Wp specialization in some point ( I want to make the domain War a prereq.), I was thinking in give him an abilitity that gives bonus to attack but not to him to his companions, and that ability should improve ( in number of companions or bonus or both) with level, and of course some spell progresion. Well this is only the Skeleton of the PrC, its my first time creating something for the game so be patient with me :D Can you help me create and balance this PrC? if you have ideas about some abilities or something else please tell them. Oh! and the whole theme of the PrC is some sort of protector, with the evil forcers over Ansalon ( KoN, Dragon overlords ) some clerics of Kiri Jolith have taken the role of protecting the ppl and fight this forces, thats the basic Idea more to come later. Thanks. :D P.S. When is KoD going to be out? its almos half april and the bestiary already has a release date. Why KoD have one?