Are there in fact "minor" deities?
The thing why I'm asking is, that I'm wondering at the moment, what I should do with the (for example) Gnolls in my game. In other settings they pray to a demon-prince.
Then, what about races as Kobolds, they also have their own deity in other settings.
How do you handle those things in your campaign?
Also, do you incorporate arch-devils, demon-princes and angels into your DL-game?
What about the different Fiend-types (demons, yugoloth, devils), do you distinguish between the different types, or is it all a big "Fiend-melting-pot" in your game?
Archfiends are noticeably absent in the Dragonlance saga, mostly because the deities fill the roles they would normally fill. This does not mean there aren't any, but they are servants and lieutenants of the gods, and do not grant spells themselves.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Archfiends are noticeably absent in the Dragonlance saga, mostly because the deities fill the roles they would normally fill. This does not mean there aren't any, but they are servants and lieutenants of the gods, and do not grant spells themselves.
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Thanks a lot, so I guess the same thing goes for the Angels (BookOfExaltedDeeds)...but one more question:
Is there in fact a difference of Demons, Devils and Yugoloths in DL like it is in other settings, or are they all just "EvilAgentsOfTheDarkGods"?
Originally posted by LordAshram
Thanks a lot, so I guess the same thing goes for the Angels (BookOfExaltedDeeds)...but one more question:
Is there in fact a difference of Demons, Devils and Yugoloths in DL like it is in other settings, or are they all just "EvilAgentsOfTheDarkGods"?
I've always liked to refer to yugoloths as daemons (it's a 1st edition thing), but yeah - there is a difference. However, the appearance of these fiends more or less depends on the deity they serve. Thus, Chemosh's fiends are all skull-like and resemble undead, Sargonnas' have minotaur-like or condor-like features, etc.
More information about outsiders (and all the other core rulebook monsters) in the Dragonlance setting can be found in the Dragonlance DM Screen, from Sovereign Press.
Cheers,
Cam
When occation calls for the characters to encounter monsters worshipping the gods in Dragonlance its just one of the standard gods, they may call it something else they may (like the minotaurs with Sargonnas) even insist that its a different God, but there are only the 21 (or less after the War of Souls)
Krynn natives tend to be rather vague about the planes and outsiders (hence their tendency to call everywhere else "The Abyss"). So the probably don't have as much of a sense of detail about the differences between planar races as do natives of more open worlds like Oerth or Toril. Demons, Devils, Yugoloths and whatever all fall under the category of "fiends" and are seen as the servants of the gods of evil. The various celestials likewise are seen as servants of good, although I cannot even recall any angelic servants of the good gods, as they seem to work through dragons and the spirits of mortals.
Originally posted by Cam Banks
However, the appearance of these fiends more or less depends on the deity they serve. Thus, Chemosh's fiends are all skull-like and resemble undead, Sargonnas' have minotaur-like or condor-like features, etc.
Cheers,
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I was wondering about that. Is their appearance an ego-driven affect cause by the Gods or is it a metaphysical result of their affiliation with certain deities?
Originally posted by Baron the Curse
I was wondering about that. Is their appearance an ego-driven affect cause by the Gods or is it a metaphysical result of their affiliation with certain deities?
It's probably a bit of both! That's just "how they are", and it also makes it easy to tell them apart.
"That one! The one with the skull face - it's Chemosh's!"
"OK, you get that, I'll get this one with the turtle head and the shark fins on its arms!"
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Psionycx
Krynn natives tend to be rather vague about the planes and outsiders (hence their tendency to call everywhere else "The Abyss"). So the probably don't have as much of a sense of detail about the differences between planar races as do natives of more open worlds like Oerth or Toril. Demons, Devils, Yugoloths and whatever all fall under the category of "fiends" and are seen as the servants of the gods of evil. The various celestials likewise are seen as servants of good, although I cannot even recall any angelic servants of the good gods, as they seem to work through dragons and the spirits of mortals.
At least that has been retroactively fixed so that there is only one lower plane as far as Dragonlance is concerned.
One more question, since I need your opinion on this one.
My new campaign is going to start next week, and everything is already outlined. It's all about an large scale invasion, planned by YuanTi-like snakefolk. In the begining will be the slow appearance of a Cult all over Ansalon, which will be led by human-look-alike servants of those scaly terrors.
They try to prepare the continent for the upcoming invasion, by gathering more and more cultists around them (preferably important politicians and such). The characters will (hopefully) gather more and more information about this secret plan and must intervene with the cult's goals to save Ansalon from the invasion. Now here's the question:
Which god do you think is the most appropriate patron for those egg-sucking scaly weirdos?
I was thinking of either Zeboim or Morgion, what do you think?
Isnt it Morgion god of desease and poison? I think Zeboim, since is the one represented by a reptile, would be better.
Originally posted by Calabozo
No offence Lord Ashram but that sound a lot like the war of the lance.
Isnt it Morgion god of desease and poison? I think Zeboim, since is the one represented by a reptile, would be better.
Well, actually I never thought of it, but now that you mention it, yes there are indeed some familiar parts from he WotL to it.
However it wasn't meant to be that way, especially since this whole Cult-thing is as old as fantasy stories themselves, just think of it:
Corum, Conan, even Elric has some references to cult-trying-to-take-over-the-world sort of stuff.
I'd say almost every GM ot there used this theme or thought about using it at least once in his "career".
I took Morgion into consideration, since he YuanTi are poisonous, and actually it was originally a curse, that transformed humans into YuanTi, so I thought Morgion would fit. But I think I'll go with Zeboim anyway, ince this whole reptile-thing is more dominant and I think of all the evil gods, he is featured too rare compared to the other bad guys, or at least I can't remember him playing as big as a role as the rest of them.
Hiddukel would get my vote for that role.
Are there in fact "minor" deities?
As said, they are vague on this subject.
The thing why I'm asking is, that I'm wondering at the moment, what I should do with the (for example) Gnolls in my game. In other settings they pray to a demon-prince.
Then, what about races as Kobolds, they also have their own deity in other settings.
How do you handle those things in your campaign?
Also, do you incorporate arch-devils, demon-princes and angels into your DL-game?
What about the different Fiend-types (demons, yugoloth, devils), do you distinguish between the different types, or is it all a big "Fiend-melting-pot" in your game?
Well, we have had this discussion many, many times on these boards, which is "IS PALADINE AND TAKHISIS really TIAMAT AND BAHAMUT?". IF you answer yes to the latter, then you do open the door to introduce much of the other D&D Erata into the mix. For example, the Abyss that Takhisis rules is now the first plane of hell.
If you decide to, upon your own, have a 'cross over' where things from other D&D Planes are introduced, by all means do so and have fun with it. However....
1) Takhisis has stricken me as not the sort of person that would share power with anyone. In my campaign, the Drow have found their way to the deepest recesses of Krynn. However, they must do their best to keep their existence secret while they adapt to the magic of Krynn and cannot call upon high level clerical spells least they be discovered. Takhisis would declare unholy war upon all of the Drow if she discovered them, viewing them as a threat to her.
2) Most of the other gods of evil similarly would take offense to others 'edging in on their territory'. Orcus vs Chemosh...why would Chemosh willingly give up his title as Lord of the Undead? Would Sargas really want to see that Goblin Deity take over the most sizable race on Krynn?