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#1
zombiegleemax
Apr 06, 2004 12:26:31 Is that Odila Windlass on the cover of Dragons of a Vanished Moon ?

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#2
brimstone
Apr 06, 2004 12:39:23 I assume you're referring to the fact that she's a white gal on the cover, but is described as a darker skinned Northern Ergothian in the books?

Yeah...kinda annoying. Margaret tried once a while back to defend it saying that Odilla was described as "olive skinned."

Now, I'm not sure exactly what that means...but Odilla looked awfully pale on the cover of DoaVM.
#3
zombiegleemax
Apr 06, 2004 12:46:27 Agreed. I don't see the problem with drawing her exactly how she is detailed in the book. It seems that more than a few times characters are lightened up in contrast to the description given in the books.

I do not know why Margaret would say she is olive skinned when it clearly says her skin was the color of polished mahogany. In my DL campaign the people of Ergoth are black.

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#4
cam_banks
Apr 06, 2004 12:48:46
Originally posted by LordofIllusions
I do not know why Margaret would say she is olive skinned when it clearly says her skin was the color of polished mahogany. In my DL campaign the people of Ergoth are black.

Some of them are, some of them aren't! Odila should have been darker than her painting though - polished mahogany looks a lot like this so there's a little discrepancy.

Cheers,
Cam
#5
brimstone
Apr 06, 2004 12:51:17
Originally posted by LordofIllusions
I do not know why Margaret would say she is olive skinned when it clearly says her skin was the color of polished mahogany. In my DL campaign the people of Ergoth are black.

Oops...maybe that's what she said.

Although mahogany is pretty dark...so I don't know how that would be a good argument.

Maybe I'm completely off my rocker on this one. But, either way...you're right...she shouldn't look German.
#6
zombiegleemax
Apr 06, 2004 12:52:52 That has always been a drawback in the fantasy genre for me. The whole depicting everyone as white even though the description says differently.

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#7
zombiegleemax
Apr 06, 2004 12:56:10
Originally posted by Brimstone
Oops...maybe that's what she said.

Although mahogany is pretty dark...so I don't know how that would be a good argument.

Maybe I'm completely off my rocker on this one. But, either way...you're right...she shouldn't look German.

LoL @German!

Olive skin tone and polished mahogany are two different things. I don't see how she could have gotten them mixed up(That is like me mistaking pale Nicole Kidman for the bronze complexioned Angela Bassett.). If she did indeed say something as wild as that.

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#8
zombiegleemax
Apr 06, 2004 13:02:07
Odila should have been darker than her painting though - polished mahogany looks a lot like this so there's a little discrepancy.

That is reddish-brown(The skin tone which is prevalent among blacks.), there is nothing olive-toned about it. On the book cover she is a straight caucasian(Lacking a great deal of melanin.). I am just wondering why they drew her that way ?

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#9
zombiegleemax
Apr 06, 2004 15:30:51
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Some of them are, some of them aren't! Odila should have been darker than her painting though - polished mahogany looks a lot like this so there's a little discrepancy.

Cheers,
Cam

LOL
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#10
iltharanos
Apr 06, 2004 16:53:18
Originally posted by LordofIllusions
Is that Odila Windlass on the cover of Dragons of a Vanished Moon ?

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You could always pretend that it's Mina with soot in her hair ...
#11
daedavias_dup
Apr 06, 2004 17:11:49 I always just assumed that she was pale because during the book she pretty much starves herself when she becomes a cleric of the One God.
#12
zombiegleemax
Apr 07, 2004 6:19:56 Certain characters just don't seem to get painted as described in the books or game material. The earliest example I can think of is Tika Waylan. Descriptions always portray her as a freckled redhead with curly hair, while art has almost always shown her as a very tan woman with dark hair.

I bet we can all think of other examples.

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#13
brimstone
Apr 07, 2004 8:17:44 I'll have to look again...but I always thought that Elmore's depictions of Tika were accurate. Bussomy (is that a word?), pale...not freckled...but you can imagine they're there if you get close enough to her, curly red hair...

Ah...Caramon's a lucky man.
#14
cam_banks
Apr 07, 2004 8:38:52
Originally posted by Brimstone
I'll have to look again...but I always thought that Elmore's depictions of Tika were accurate. Bussomy (is that a word?),

Buxom is the word you're looking for.

Cheers,
Cam
#15
zombiegleemax
Apr 07, 2004 9:32:53
Originally posted by Daedavias
I always just assumed that she was pale because during the book she pretty much starves herself when she becomes a cleric of the One God.

Thanks for the spoiler warning Daedavias.

Anyway, I am almost finished reading Dragons of a Los Star now and Mina has just shown her the MIND OF A GOD<----- (Big deal.).

What puts wrinkles in my forehead is this: What is so special about Mina ? She just seems to be an 18 year old chic with a few cleric powers. How is it that she is shooting lightning beams from her eyes, enthralls everyone, etc. I just do not get it.

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#16
cam_banks
Apr 07, 2004 10:05:56
Originally posted by LordofIllusions
What puts wrinkles in my forehead is this: What is so special about Mina ? She just seems to be an 18 year old chic with a few cleric powers. How is it that she is shooting lightning beams from her eyes, enthralls everyone, etc. I just do not get it.

She has the power of the One God channeled through her. She can do whatever the One God wants her to do.

Cheers,
Cam
#17
zombiegleemax
Apr 07, 2004 10:57:02
Originally posted by Cam Banks
She has the power of the One God channeled through her. She can do whatever the One God wants her to do.

Cheers,
Cam

That brings me to another thing that my wife was asking me about.

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Why is Takhisis(a.k.a. The One God) just unbelievably evil ? How did she become this way ? Why is it that everytime you turn around she has some simple-minded plot cooked up ?
#18
cam_banks
Apr 07, 2004 11:05:15
Originally posted by LordofIllusions

Why is Takhisis just unbelievably evil ? How did she become this way ? Why is it that everytime you turn around she has some simple-minded plot cooked up ?

It's her nature. The gods are immensely powerful, yet not perfect. Each of them is aligned strongly in one way or another, forming the very essence of divine morality, and often very narrow-mindedly so. Takhisis is eternally hungry for conquest, domination, enslavement and control. She's lawful evil to the core, and unlike mortals she doesn't have any free will to speak of. It's the way she is. It doesn't make her an evil automaton, but it means she doesn't really get a say in whether she's good or bad. I think she more or less just is.

Cheers,
Cam
#19
zombiegleemax
Apr 07, 2004 11:12:12 Ok thanks, she asked the very same question about Kitiara.

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#20
zombiegleemax
Apr 07, 2004 15:02:55 Because Kit's shallow, self-centered, and arrogant. Though she is suppossed to be tactically intelligent, and have a firm grasp on strategy. She can be charming, and is very skilled in weapons, but that has just fed her arrogance.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Apr 06, 2004 12:26:31	Is that Odila Windlass on the cover of Dragons of a Vanished Moon ? ~~~
#2 brimstone Apr 06, 2004 12:39:23	I assume you're referring to the fact that she's a white gal on the cover, but is described as a darker skinned Northern Ergothian in the books? Yeah...kinda annoying. Margaret tried once a while back to defend it saying that Odilla was described as "olive skinned." Now, I'm not sure exactly what that means...but Odilla looked awfully pale on the cover of DoaVM.
#3 zombiegleemax Apr 06, 2004 12:46:27	Agreed. I don't see the problem with drawing her exactly how she is detailed in the book. It seems that more than a few times characters are lightened up in contrast to the description given in the books. I do not know why Margaret would say she is olive skinned when it clearly says her skin was the color of polished mahogany. In my DL campaign the people of Ergoth are black. ~~~
#4 cam_banks Apr 06, 2004 12:48:46	Originally posted by LordofIllusions *I do not know why Margaret would say she is olive skinned* when it clearly says her skin was the color of polished mahogany. In my DL campaign the people of Ergoth are black.** Some of them are, some of them aren't! Odila should have been darker than her painting though - polished mahogany looks a lot like this so there's a little discrepancy. Cheers, Cam
#5 brimstone Apr 06, 2004 12:51:17	Originally posted by LordofIllusions *I do not know why Margaret would say she is olive skinned* when it clearly says her skin was the color of polished mahogany. In my DL campaign the people of Ergoth are black.** Oops...maybe that's what she said. Although mahogany is pretty dark...so I don't know how that would be a good argument. Maybe I'm completely off my rocker on this one. But, either way...you're right...she shouldn't look German.
#6 zombiegleemax Apr 06, 2004 12:52:52	That has always been a drawback in the fantasy genre for me. The whole depicting everyone as white even though the description says differently. ~~~
#7 zombiegleemax Apr 06, 2004 12:56:10	Originally posted by Brimstone Oops...maybe that's what she said. Although mahogany is pretty dark...so I don't know how that would be a good argument. Maybe I'm completely off my rocker on this one. But, either way...you're right...she shouldn't look German. LoL @German! Olive skin tone and polished mahogany are two different things. I don't see how she could have gotten them mixed up(That is like me mistaking pale Nicole Kidman for the bronze complexioned Angela Bassett.). If she did indeed say something as wild as that. ~~~
#8 zombiegleemax Apr 06, 2004 13:02:07	Odila should have been darker than her painting though - polished mahogany looks a lot like this so there's a little discrepancy. That is reddish-brown(The skin tone which is prevalent among blacks.), there is nothing olive-toned about it. On the book cover she is a straight caucasian(Lacking a great deal of melanin.). I am just wondering why they drew her that way ? ~~~
#9 zombiegleemax Apr 06, 2004 15:30:51	Originally posted by Cam Banks Some of them are, some of them aren't! Odila should have been darker than her painting though - polished mahogany looks a lot like this so there's a little discrepancy. Cheers, Cam LOL :bounce:
#10 iltharanos Apr 06, 2004 16:53:18	Originally posted by LordofIllusions Is that Odila Windlass on the cover of Dragons of a Vanished Moon ? ~~~ You could always pretend that it's Mina with soot in her hair ...
#11 daedavias_dup Apr 06, 2004 17:11:49	I always just assumed that she was pale because during the book she pretty much starves herself when she becomes a cleric of the One God.
#12 zombiegleemax Apr 07, 2004 6:19:56	Certain characters just don't seem to get painted as described in the books or game material. The earliest example I can think of is Tika Waylan. Descriptions always portray her as a freckled redhead with curly hair, while art has almost always shown her as a very tan woman with dark hair. I bet we can all think of other examples. Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc.
#13 brimstone Apr 07, 2004 8:17:44	I'll have to look again...but I always thought that Elmore's depictions of Tika were accurate. Bussomy (is that a word?), pale...not freckled...but you can imagine they're there if you get close enough to her, curly red hair... Ah...Caramon's a lucky man.
#14 cam_banks Apr 07, 2004 8:38:52	Originally posted by Brimstone I'll have to look again...but I always thought that Elmore's depictions of Tika were accurate. Bussomy (is that a word?), Buxom is the word you're looking for. Cheers, Cam
#15 zombiegleemax Apr 07, 2004 9:32:53	Originally posted by Daedavias I always just assumed that she was pale because during the book she pretty much starves herself when she becomes a cleric of the One God. Thanks for the spoiler warning Daedavias. Anyway, I am almost finished reading Dragons of a Los Star now and Mina has just shown her the MIND OF A GOD<----- (Big deal.). What puts wrinkles in my forehead is this: What is so special about Mina ? She just seems to be an 18 year old chic with a few cleric powers. How is it that she is shooting lightning beams from her eyes, enthralls everyone, etc. I just do not get it. ~~~
#16 cam_banks Apr 07, 2004 10:05:56	Originally posted by LordofIllusions What puts wrinkles in my forehead is this: What is so special about Mina ? She just seems to be an 18 year old chic with a few cleric powers. How is it that she is shooting lightning beams from her eyes, enthralls everyone, etc. I just do not get it. She has the power of the One God channeled through her. She can do whatever the One God wants her to do. Cheers, Cam
#17 zombiegleemax Apr 07, 2004 10:57:02	Originally posted by Cam Banks She has the power of the One God channeled through her. She can do whatever the One God wants her to do. Cheers, Cam That brings me to another thing that my wife was asking me about. S P O I L E R Why is Takhisis(a.k.a. The One God) just unbelievably evil ? How did she become this way ? Why is it that everytime you turn around she has some simple-minded plot cooked up ?
#18 cam_banks Apr 07, 2004 11:05:15	Originally posted by LordofIllusions Why is Takhisis just unbelievably evil ? How did she become this way ? Why is it that everytime you turn around she has some simple-minded plot cooked up ? It's her nature. The gods are immensely powerful, yet not perfect. Each of them is aligned strongly in one way or another, forming the very essence of divine morality, and often very narrow-mindedly so. Takhisis is eternally hungry for conquest, domination, enslavement and control. She's lawful evil to the core, and unlike mortals she doesn't have any free will to speak of. It's the way she is. It doesn't make her an evil automaton, but it means she doesn't really get a say in whether she's good or bad. I think she more or less just is. Cheers, Cam
#19 zombiegleemax Apr 07, 2004 11:12:12	Ok thanks, she asked the very same question about Kitiara. ~~~
#20 zombiegleemax Apr 07, 2004 15:02:55	Because Kit's shallow, self-centered, and arrogant. Though she is suppossed to be tactically intelligent, and have a firm grasp on strategy. She can be charming, and is very skilled in weapons, but that has just fed her arrogance.