Is it the current plan to release all such books as hardcovers?
I always found the with the forgotten realms products, the hardcovers where always much nicer then the paperbacks, not to mention the difference between the Complete Warrior as opposed to Sword and Fist etc...
Originally posted by Hrumachis
Are the upcoming Bestiary and Towers of High Sorcery products truly going to be hardcover like the descriptions state at Dragonlance.com?
Is it the current plan to release all such books as hardcovers?
I always found the with the forgotten realms products, the hardcovers where always much nicer then the paperbacks, not to mention the difference between the Complete Warrior as opposed to Sword and Fist etc...
Here are the formats of our upcoming products:
* BESTIARY OF KRYNN - Full-color Hardcover
* KEY OF DESTINY - B&W Perfect Bound (softcover)
* TOWERS OF HIGH SORCERY - Full-color Hardcover
* DRAGONLANCE ADVENTURE GAME - Boxed Set
* WAR OF THE LANCE - Full-color Hardcover
* SPECTRE OF SORROW - B&W Perfect Bound (softcover)
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by jechambers
* KEY OF DESTINY - B&W Perfect Bound (softcover)
Oh well, I guess I can't throw this sourcebook at any players then.
Originally posted by Nived
But you don't want to throw modules at them, they might see something important. Core books are made for throwing...
That's why I have my 3.0 books with me. My players dont know what hit them :D
Originally posted by Hrumachis
The adventures are b&w, not color like the pdf sneak peak?
The KEY OF DESTINY online preview is black-and-white, just as the final product will be. (The cover is in color, of course, but not the interior.) The BESTIARY OF KRYNN is full color throughout.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by koray_taemar
Any word on when the War of the Lance is set to come out ? I can't wait for this one. I'm looking to get a group going in this time period, but I don't want to use the old modules and characters. I'm going to have the group somewhere else for most of it, although I see them at the Battle of the High Clerist Tower by Palanthus.
The War of the Lance sourcebook will premiere at GenCon and release to stores immediately afterwards, so expect to see it in late August/early September.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by jechambers
Here are the formats of our upcoming products:
* BESTIARY OF KRYNN - Full-color Hardcover
* KEY OF DESTINY - B&W Perfect Bound (softcover)
* TOWERS OF HIGH SORCERY - Full-color Hardcover
* DRAGONLANCE ADVENTURE GAME - Boxed Set
* WAR OF THE LANCE - Full-color Hardcover
* SPECTRE OF SORROW - B&W Perfect Bound (softcover)
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
I think I'll go ahead and add the color details to my upcoming listing.
Any chance we can get prices on these too?
* BESTIARY OF KRYNN - 160 pg. full-color Hardcover - $34.99 - TBA
* KEY OF DESTINY - 176 pg. B&W Perfect Bound (softcover) - $24.99 - TBA
* TOWERS OF HIGH SORCERY - 160 pg. Full-color Hardcover - $34.99 - June
* DRAGONLANCE ADVENTURE GAME - Boxed Set - $24.99 - July
* WAR OF THE LANCE - 224 pg. Full-color Hardcover with poster map - $44.99 (Page Count may increase - Stay tuned!) - August
* SPECTRE OF SORROW - 128 pg. B&W Perfect Bound - (softcover) - $24.99 - October
The KEY OF DESTINY price may jump out at everyone, and that is because the product has grown from its originally-projected size. Rather than artificially trim down Chris' manuscript, we have expanded the page count but decided to honor the original $24.99 price.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by jechambers
The KEY OF DESTINY price may jump out at everyone
The KoD price? Ye gads, it's the WotL price that nearly made my eyes pop out of my head. :D
Originally posted by silvanthalas
The KoD price? Ye gads, it's the WotL price that nearly made my eyes pop out of my head. :D
Ditto
;)
Originally posted by Brimstone
Ditto
;)
The War of the Lance book is going to be the biggest book that Soveriegn Press has ever done. Even if the page count remains the same, our words-per-page ratio is going up =and= we're adding a Fourth Age poster map bundled in. We have to charge enough to account for this, so five bucks more than Age of Mortals was the decision. I guess if we restore the big borders, cut some content, and kill the poster map, we could get it back down under forty dollars U.S....
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by jechambers
I guess if we restore the big borders, cut some content, and kill the poster map, we could get it back down under forty dollars U.S....
That's not funny, Jamie. I was only teasin'.
Originally posted by Brimstone
That's not funny, Jamie. I was only teasin'.
I tease -- I kid!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
We shouldn't be totally surprised, but it still seems "up there", if you know what I mean. Especially when most other books are $25-35.
You don't really think about it until it actually happens. And a game book actually getting over $40 is "it".
And with hardcover novels are pushing $30 now too, to read novels and game books isbecoming an expensive hobby all around.
Originally posted by silvanthalas
I guess it's just the shock of having to deal with the fact that game books are going to cross that $40 mark now.
The CONAN RPG from Mongoose (which is excellent, apart from the first printing's many errors and typoes) is $50! That's a massive full-color book. The STARGATE SG-1 book is also very pricey. It's happening.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by ferratus
Eh, a movie costs $10 for a couple hours.
Prices at United Artists Theatres here in Denver have raised $1 over the last year to $9.
That doesn't mean I'm going to automatically shell it out though.
More than likely, it means I'm going to skip a few movies in favor of waiting for the DVD. At this rate, DVD's will be cheaper than seeing the movies in theatres before long.
The trend for books would be, of course, that I just skip some altogether. *sigh*
I'm trying to support Sov Press all I can. Since I'm not a gamer, they can count themselves lucky that they can squeeze out of me.
But between an increase in the number of hardcover books a year I'm buying, and actual DL game material coming out (which won't find much use), I will have decisions to make I'm sure.
Originally posted by Brimstone
Yeah...I bought the Stargate book...seems like it may have been $55 or $60. Of course it's around 400 pages long, too.
Stargate SG-1 was $50. I waited a year before I bought it, and only got it when a store nearby went out of business and was selling everything for 40% off. Otherwise, I may not have it.
Originally posted by jechambers
* BESTIARY OF KRYNN - 160 pg. full-color Hardcover - $34.99 - TBA
* KEY OF DESTINY - 176 pg. B&W Perfect Bound (softcover) - $24.99 - TBA
* TOWERS OF HIGH SORCERY - 160 pg. Full-color Hardcover - $34.99 - June
* DRAGONLANCE ADVENTURE GAME - Boxed Set - $24.99 - July
* WAR OF THE LANCE - 224 pg. Full-color Hardcover with poster map - $44.99 (Page Count may increase - Stay tuned!) - August
* SPECTRE OF SORROW - 128 pg. B&W Perfect Bound - (softcover) - $24.99 - October
Hmm...$200 in the span of about six months, I think I can pull this off. Too bad SP couldn't include the 5th Age map with the Key of Destiny, but I would be willing to pay $30 for the Price of Courage if it included one(hint - hint :P). Oh well, off to Kinkos I go
I'm glad I didn't use my spin already because as soon as that Beastiary comes in I'm taking my spin. Hopefully I can get the Beastiary at a hefty discount, luckily Sovereign gets the same amount regaurdless.
Man I love my local comicbook shop.
Originally posted by Cam Banks
The CONAN RPG from Mongoose (which is excellent, apart from the first printing's many errors and typoes) is $50! That's a massive full-color book. The STARGATE SG-1 book is also very pricey. It's happening.
That may be true, but both of those books are campaign books, not merely a supplimental sourcebook. Campaign book or sourcebook, truthfully that's kind of irrelevant - I think that $50 for a gaming book is a bit ridiculous.
Correlanthias
Originally posted by Correlanthias
That may be true, but both of those books are campaign books, not merely a supplimental sourcebook. Campaign book or sourcebook, truthfully that's kind of irrelevant - I think that $50 for a gaming book is a bit ridiculous.
Correlanthias
Agreed. Spending $40 for an accessory book is enough.
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Originally posted by silvanthalas
The KoD price? Ye gads, it's the WotL price that nearly made my eyes pop out of my head. :D
Looks like that one will be staying on the shelf.
*Makes mental note not to buy WoTL*
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If I had a choice in entertainment between a 4 dollar movie (our theater is 4 dollars all the time) or even a 10 dollar movie vs. a game book, I would go with the movie because I could use the additional 30 bucks to do other things. Sure I can use the gaming book to be entertained with my friends but it is still a lot of up front cash.
Sorry, 45 dollars is too much for one book.
Jason
War of the Lance is the biggest book we've ever done in terms of word count (and will have the smaller page borders). We are also including a poster map of the Fourth Age, which increases our costs.
We understand that a $45 book is expensive, but I hope when it comes out you'll take a look at it and see if it's worth it to you.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by Brimstone
nm...again.
One of those days, Brim?
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by talinthas
gosh folks, quit yer whining. the wotl book is 5 bucks more than the DLCS, and we all bought that. Not to mention its guaranteed to be better quality since they learned from their mistakes, and moreover, IT HAS A MAP. lets not be too hasty, ya?
If they are going to raise their prices then the consumers can voice their opinions about them raising the prices. If you don't want people voicing their opinions about what you do then don't do it.
Also, I am not sure if you considering people voicing their opinions about price increases 'whining' is a violation of the CoC but I bet it comes close.
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Ok...Here is where my difficulty comes in. I normally don't have that kind of money to throw around for just buying books. What with three children to take care of and a house to run it gets kind of fuzzy when I spend that kind of money on an item for myself. But here's the thing....I will have that kind of money when it comes out, so financial reasoning aside the only reasoning I have not to purchase the book is that it covers a campaign era which I do not run.
I can't seee spending that kind of money on a gaming source that I won't be using in my game.
So, what I want is to be convinced that there are a few things in the book that I can also put into immediate use for my post War of Souls game. Something like the generalist option for WoHS in the AoM book.
Are there such useful things like that for me in the WotL Sourcebook?
Originally posted by jechambers
We are also including a poster map of the Fourth Age, which increases our costs.
Did we ever figure out whether we'll get a 5th Age poster map at any point?
Matching sized maps from Sov Press would be great.
Originally posted by Cam Banks
One of those days, Brim?
Yeah, it is.
It's kind of one of those things where one's filter between what they think and what they say has been shut down...
$8.00 for a movie, that's about average.
$8/2 hours = $4.00 per hour of entertainment.
$45 for the WotL book, pricey, but not too bad.
How many hours do you think you'll use it over the lifespan of the book? If you're playing lots of DL, probably 100 hours, maybe more.
$45/100 = $0.45 per hour of entertainment.
Neat huh? And I get to keep the book and use it as much as I want. A movie, once it's over, I have to poney up the same 4 bucks an hour, or wait for awhile. Yes, DVD's are cheaper, their cost to produce is also much lower than that for nice books like the above.
Originally posted by talinthas
gosh folks, quit yer whining.
Actually, the money doesn't bother me at all, it's not like I can't afford it. I mean...once you're paying $40 for something anyway...what's another $5?
I just thought it was funny that Jamie said the $25 might jump out at you...when in actuality, it was the $45 price that did. Not necessarily because it was too high...but it was the odd price out (and it's not very often that a Supplimental book is more expensive than the Campaign Source Books...although it seems like there may have been an FR one that was.)
I think everyone has to prioritize their entertainment spending. I myself have been spending a lot less time at the pub for instance, since I started collecting the Dragoneye Miniatures. Ultimately once you decide your priorities it becomes much less to complain about. For example, if you enjoy movies, nightclubbing, smoking, bowling, hockey games, video games more than D&D rules and setting info, then that is where you should spend your money. You can run a Dragonlance game perfectly well with only the PHB, DMG, and MM, and it will look and play almost identically to a Dragonlance game with all the supplements.
Another handy tip is to take all those old rulebooks you don't use anymore, or use only a single page or two out of every few months, and turn them in for store credit and buy books you will use more often. You'd be suprised at how little you'll miss them.
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
I still want to know whether there will be anything in the book that will benefit campaigns set in other eras, such as an Age of Mortals campaign. Like the generalist WoHS option that was found in AoM. You certainly can't tell me that Raistlin isn't a generalist. I just couldn't see him otherwise. And the lion's share of the feats in AoM could be used in any era in the setting. Anything like that in the WotL sourcebook to make it worthwhile even if you aren't playing in that era?
Serena - There's a good chunk of material from the War of the Lance book that might be useful in other eras. Let's see...
A new base class that handles some Dragonlance archetypes. Non-spellcasting options for paladins, rangers, and Solamnic Knights. Prestige Classes (including the Kirath!). Feats. Spells. Magical items and artifacts. Locations that still exist in later eras.
Some of the setting and campaign material is geared for the War of the Lance specifically, such as the information on the war and the armies involved. There are lots of personalities specific to the time-period, even though many of them live on in later eras.
It will be a judgment call for a "modern" (post-War of Souls) gamer, but I honestly believe this will be a book most Dragonlance fans will find hard to resist.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by silvanthalas
Did we ever figure out whether we'll get a 5th Age poster map at any point?
Matching sized maps from Sov Press would be great.
We are about to propose our 2005 schedule to Wizards of the Coast, with a product tentatively scheduled for very early in the year that will have the map you've been waiting for!
Stay tuned...
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
If the WOTL book were a 320 page book I would easily think chunking out that big a wad were not a big deal. I would pay that for a 320 page book with a font similar to the DLCS, hopefully smaller. But as is the book is 20 cents a page whereas the FRCS is 8 cents and the DLCS is 14 cents a page. The average price for an RPG book is 12 cents a page and sometimes less. If the WOTL book were 320 pages it would be about average price for an RPG book at 13 cents a page at that 45 dollar price point.
Now I do understand the costs of licensing, I had to deal with a fanboy in my FLGS who was trying to tell me that I was paying 30 dollars for softcover book because they had the Forgotten Realms name on them and rebuttaled with that is why we pay 30 dollars for a Star Wars book, not an FR book, going into specifics of licensing etc and how the FR were not licensed. But anyway... licensing does ramp up costs but I don't think that the fee justifies a 224 page book to be 45 dollars, map or no map.
I wanted to add that I, personally, think that this escalation of prices over the last two years is driving away potential new customers, especially for settings like Dragonlance and the Forgotten Realms. Now that WOTC has gotten away with a couple of 40 dollar books without fans blinking an eye, D20 based books are escalating in price and sales are going down. Sure gamers want nice, hardcover books with colour pictures, but my god are they getting up their in price and I don't care how much entertainment value a product has, the prices ARE definitely getting out of hand.
And see, this is the problem... I want the War of the Lance book. I think the WOTL is an awesome experience and the game information would be great for just about any campaign, but I simply can not personally afford a 45 dollar book with all the other expenses in life and therefore I feel like I am almost being punished for not having the money because the price range is out of my reach. That really makes me sad as a HUGE fan of the Chronicles and at 45 bucks I can't afford it. Yeah, boo hoo, poor me... LOL
I understand the point about prioritizing my entertainment dollar except for one thing... I don't go out a lot, I don't drink, smoke, rent videos, play video games, card games, cds etc. I collect comic books, go to the occasional movie and spend the majority of my lettuce on RPG material, after you discount my bills, groceries, dog necessities (proud owner of a Welsh Corgi named ZIggy Stardust) and other such matters. I don't go out to places that cost a lot of money because I game with my friends and the ones that don't game we hang out and watch movies etc on DVD. SOme of us simply don't have the resources to do all those things.
Jason
Originally posted by protonik
I don't know, at 224 pages and even if the page count increases by 30 or so, I don't really like the idea of paying 45 dollars for an RPG book when the FRCS is 320 pages with a poster map and has a tiny little font and only cost me 40 dollars. Even the DLCS isn't too big a deal to me at only 288 pages with its larger font, the material is high quality but were I to pay 45 bucks for it, I would be ticked off, heck, were I to pay 40 for it I would be ticked as hell. I paid 24 including S&H. 45 bucks for 224 pages is very pricey.
Remember that Wizards of the Coast is a company that prints books in much higher volume (which means lower per-book costs) and they do not have to pay licensing royalties! Also, the FRCS is a $40 book, but if you look at their more recent releases you'll note that either the price point goes up or things like page count goes down. The DLCS was a smaller book (than the FRCS) with no map that had an equal price.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by jechambers
Also, the FRCS is a $40 book, but if you look at their more recent releases you'll note that either the price point goes up or things like page count goes down. The DLCS was a smaller book (than the FRCS) with no map that had an equal price.
Exactly! I guarantee that if the FRCS came out today it'd be a $50 book.
At the time it came out, they were still selling the Core Rule Books at $20, too. WotC definately hiked the prices about 2 years after 3e came out.
I'd like to point out too that the FRCS doesn't have the excellent binding that the AoM had and all the subsequent hardback Sov. Press books will have. It had the glue binding like WotC did for the DLCS.
Don't get me wrong though...it sucks that RPGs cost that much now. I just wanted to point out that it is a trend across the board...not just with SP.
Yeah, I'm all for hardcover books. More resilient, and the binding is better to boot. If that means I have to shell out more for them, so be it.
Originally posted by frostdawn
Here's a perfect example. I still have old 2nd edition hardcover books from the 80s.
I still have a complete collection of 1st edition AD&D books, most of which have the original covers (not the reprints). Monster Manual, Dungeon Master's Guide, Fiend Folio, etc. All of them in very good condition and no sign of ever falling apart.
Of course, back then they were much thinner and had B&W interior art, much of which was pretty lousy by current standards. But hey, durability and thousands of hours of gameplay is a good thing.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
I still have a complete collection of 1st edition AD&D books, most of which have the original covers (not the reprints). Monster Manual, Dungeon Master's Guide, Fiend Folio, etc. All of them in very good condition and no sign of ever falling apart.
Of course, back then they were much thinner and had B&W interior art, much of which was pretty lousy by current standards. But hey, durability and thousands of hours of gameplay is a good thing.
Cheers,
Cam
Hmm, maybe the books I was referring to were 1st edition. The Fiend Folio has a big picture of a Githyanki on the cover, one of the Monster Manuals has a Red Dragon fighting a flock of Pegasi, and the other Monster Manual has what looks like an ogre fighting a halfling or something. DM's guide is a wizard opening 2 big wooden doors, and Player's Handbook is a Wizard fighting some gargoyles. The book interiors are all in black & white.
One of them is a big red demon.Originally posted by Myrridin
Those are the reprinted covers for the books. The originals had poorly drawn artwork on the front.
So are the ones mentioned above 1st edition reprints? I'm a little confuzzled.
Originally posted by Myrridin
Those are the reprinted covers for the books. The originals had poorly drawn artwork on the front.
Those covers were the best of all time and the interior art was amazing (Dancing Umber Hulks, digging jewels out of a statues eyes, Orcus, Demons holding nekkid chicks). Way better than 3rd ed. IMHO. Glossy paper and color drawings. Blech! Game books should look like Hackmaster. Over 400 pages for 30 bones.
Originally posted by frostdawn
So are the ones mentioned above 1st edition reprints? I'm a little confuzzled.
Yep. Same interiors, new covers. All before 2nd edition was released. They got the new covers around the same time as Dragonlance was released, interestingly enough.
Cheers,
Cam
Anyway... the FRCS would not be 40 dollars if released today, sorry folks. Eberron, a similarly sized HC is going to be 40 bucks as well. When the reprints of the core rules came out WOTC made it clear that prices were going up but the reprints of the FRCS did not feature a price increase.
It also seems that WOTC listened when people complained about the price of the FR sourcebooks because with F&P the covers went HC and price stayed right around the same and in some cases cheaper. I also haven't had any problems with the binding etc in my books. The FRCS isn't glued, if you look closely it is sewn and very well done. Later softcovers were glued, but when they went HC they are sewn. My FR books are quite nice and in great shape...
I love the SP books as well, very nicely done.
My 2E books are crap. Missing pages, broken spines, covers fallen off etc. The revised books were a bit better but man, my 1E books are still like new, the covers aare stiff, the pages are still sweet and smell nice, with bright white colours. Great shape.
Anybody who says they can't make long lasting soft covers doesn't own a Palladium book.
Jason
Originally posted by protonik
The FRCS isn't glued, if you look closely it is sewn and very well done.
Oops...my mistake.
It must just seem glued because I can't open it as wide as as the Core Rule books or the AoM. But, I suppose that's probably because of page count.
I personally am happy to pay the prices set forth by them. I've pretty much purchased every DL thing that has been released to date (including Novels). I don't make a lot of money, but since RPing is one of my favourite passtimes I try to make my campaigns all that they can be.
My players also like to purchase books too. Between us we have quite a collection of books. We also collect miniatures. I'd say we spend more on D&D stuff than any other form of entertainment.
I also don't mind waiting a little longer for higher quality work ;) Granted I'm dying to get my hands on the Towers book. I want that one more than any other one coming out as I prefer WoHS to all other classes. :D
*Happy to pay high prices.
*Happy to wait 6 months for overdue stuff.
*Happy about anything that other consumers are upset about.
....Kind of funny don'cha think ? After Sov. Press has been getting drilled for being late with products and increasing prices ? This new person just pops up all of a sudden saying it is ok with him/her ?
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(Yes I've already heard the reason they didn't have a map, I just don't care)
Edited by WizO Drake, due to promotion of illegal activity (piracy).
Frankly, the only reason I can see that one would desire downloading all these books is if you are willing to print them out (which would cost enough to make the effort not really worth it), or you only need a page or two out of every book to have a really nifty alternate rule.
Myself though, I don't find alternate rules nifty enough to really be worth shelling out 50-60 Cdn. for them. Unless you are using every chapter of the book day to day for at least a few weeks, why bother? For that matter, why bother downloading them?
Originally posted by LordofIllusions
....Kind of funny don'cha think ? After Sov. Press has been getting drilled for being late with products and increasing prices ? This new person just pops up all of a sudden saying it is ok with him/her?
Not so funny when you know that Darlantan is actually a long-time member of the online DL community.
I was just giving my opinion on things. If that's wrong, I'm sorry.
I didn't come in here to start a war among the users, I just thought it would be nice to be part of an online DragonLance community for once.
As for the waiting, I'll admit like everyone else, it's annoying to have to wait now and then, but things happen.
I would have liked to have had the Towers books in January like I originally heard it would be out. But complaining about it isn't gonna speed the process, it just annoys the folks who have to listen to it.
Originally posted by Darlantan
Granted I'm dying to get my hands on the Towers book. I want that one more than any other one coming out as I prefer WoHS to all other classes. :D
I like the prestige class for them in the Dragonlance guidebook.
Does anyone here know what will be in the book on them? I'm presuming the Towers themselves (all of them?). Any sort of magic items, spells, or background info?
Also suppose to have detailed info on how to run a Socery Test for your PCs. Should be an awesome book! :D
I also look forward to the bestiary as a fan of Udon's comic work, these guys are great and are knocking the bottom out of their work in DUngeon Magazine and other places I have seen them popping up in. Nice looking stuff.
Any word on what is coming after all this stuff you announced? Maybe a Age of Dreams sourcebook down the line?
Jason
Originally posted by silvanthalas
Not so funny when you know that Darlantan is actually a long-time member of the online DL community.
I am pretty sure that is a different Darlantan, Craig.
Originally posted by Daedavias
I am pretty sure that is a different Darlantan, Craig.
You're probably right, though I've been using this nick for a very long time (since I read the Lost Histories, years ago). I've used it a lot for things like ICQ/MSN/AIM and the sort. Also on certain game sites (like Evernight and Creature World). But not usually for DL related sites.
Originally posted by LordofIllusions
*Just came to the site.
*Happy to pay high prices.
*Happy to wait 6 months for overdue stuff.
*Happy about anything that other consumers are upset about.
....Kind of funny don'cha think ? After Sov. Press has been getting drilled for being late with products and increasing prices ? This new person just pops up all of a sudden saying it is ok with him/her ?
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I'll make this perfectly clear. I make a point to read and post on this board, mostly on my own time, to try to stay in touch with the fans in the online community. I resent any implied accusation that anyone from our company has created a false ID to post messages on the boards.
If you don't like our products, that's fine. If delays in our release schedule upset you, I can understand that. But please don't make accusations or question the honesty of myself and the people I work with every day.
Participation on these boards is not a requirement of my job, and the moment it seems to be causing more problems than good, I'll limit my time to more productive online communities.
I'd like to express my appreciation for those of you who have shown support, as well as everyone who purchases our products. Margaret, Renae, Sean, and I all thank you.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by Darlantan
I didn't come in here to start a war among the users, I just thought it would be nice to be part of an online DragonLance community for once.
Hmm. Woops. Guess your name is just too close for comfort with somebody else that posts online.
Originally posted by Daedavias
I am pretty sure that is a different Darlantan, Craig.
Yeah, yeah. Nobody's perfect. I've remembered far too many names over the years, and sometimes there are a couple that are too close for comfort.
Easy to assume it's a long time member just joining up one spot or another.
Originally posted by ferratus
Piracy is definately going to be a problem for the RPG industry, though not as much as for the music and movies for the simple reason that reading scanned .pdf's is not comfortable. That is the same reason that ebooks aren't taking off.
Have you been around IRC? There a lots of people who distribute .pdf books. You can find almost anything you want from RPGs to Fiction novels and so on.
Originally posted by ferratus
Frankly, the only reason I can see that one would desire downloading all these books is if you are willing to print them out (which would cost enough to make the effort not really worth it), or you only need a page or two out of every book to have a really nifty alternate rule.
The reason I see is that I am not willing to pay 35-55 Euros (30-50 US dollars) for books that will be revised in a couple of years. My money were wasted when the 3rd to 3.5 transition occured so I am not risking it again. As far as the printing cost is concerned, I am pretty sure anyone could find a way to print the books for free (a friend in college for example). Also most of the times you would only need a portion a the book and not the whole one since books contain MANY pages the you would never need.
Thank you for reading.
Eaglos.
Originally posted by Taskr36
Dude I suggest you edit your post and drop that topic since the moderator has accused me of promoting such piracy just by mentioning that's what people do when book prices get too high. I've already recieved an "official warning".
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I just mentioned the well known place where anyone can get pdfs. It is the same as mentioning that "people could donwload mp3s from napster" (a couple of years before that is). I am not promoting piracy by stating the well known fact.
What companies do not understand is that the reason begind "piracy" is the high pricing policy on some of their products.
We could discuss the subject for days with arguments like "They charge more cause they lose money from piracy" and "Piracy had been around when blanc cassetes and video tapes appeared but companies did not seem to bother back then". Bottom line is that you choose one way or the other according to your economic state.
When, in my country, the basic monthly salary is $600 and you pay half of them for rents, car/bike, electricity, phone and so on, you are left with $300 until next month'spaycheck. Thus a $20 CD or a $40 book is a luxury that you cannot afford.
As I said above this concerns ONLY some of the products (novels' prices are OK) from every company and not only Sov.Pr
One thing that might help, however, is an affordable source of mainstrean electronic RPG eBooks, much like Apple did with their music store (each song only 99 cents). I've heard of something in the works, so we should see such an idea in action soon.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by Eaglos
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I just mentioned the well known place where anyone can get pdfs. It is the same as mentioning that "people could donwload mp3s from napster" (a couple of years before that is). I am not promoting piracy by stating the well known fact.
Hey you don't need to convince me. I'm just saying, all I did was mention that people download books when prices get too high and suddenly my post got edited by the moderator and he sent me an email accusing me of promoting piracy. I didn't even mention where, or how people do it. To me promoting piracy is telling someone it's a good idea.
It's possible the moderator is just one of those people who has it in for me since I've done the unspeakable and criticized Soveriegn Press. Therefore, you may not have the same problem as me when it comes to simply mentioning such a thing.
Originally posted by Eaglos
Bottom line is that you choose one way or the other according to your economic state.
So...if I can't afford something, that means it's okay for me to steal it?
That seems a bit bass ackwards, do you think?
Well...I don't believe in piracy in any of its forms (not just RPG related), but I just wanted to add..."HOLY CRAP!" You can live off of $300 a month in Greece? Trust me...I make a lot more than $600 a month, but I have less than $300 a month that I can use for personal spending (after paing for rent, bills, food, etc.). Must be nice to have 50% of your paycheck left after the necessities have been paid for. (of course it doesn't help that my gov't yanks 30% out before I ever even see that money...)
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--Drake