What creatures are in the Bestiary?

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#1

daedavias_dup

Apr 10, 2004 22:24:04		Perhaps this is some highly guarded secret, but since the Bestiary is coming out next month, I was wondering what creatures are in it.
#2

zombiegleemax

Apr 11, 2004 0:22:35 		What creatures are in it?


Pretty scary ones.
#3

ferratus

Apr 11, 2004 3:57:37 		Bah, that's what you want us to think. I bet they are all just Old Man Higgins looking to scare the locals away from the old mill.

You would have gotten away with it to, if it wasn't for those meddling kids!
#4

zombiegleemax

Apr 11, 2004 5:03:29 		... ferratus, I think you may have finally completely lost your mind.

Bravo! Masterfully done.
#5

zombiegleemax

Apr 11, 2004 11:03:18
Originally posted by ferratus
Bah, that's what you want us to think. I bet they are all just Old Man Higgins looking to scare the locals away from the old mill.

You would have gotten away with it to, if it wasn't for those meddling kids!

That may be true in most cases for those kids, but this time I'm Scrappy-Doo gone evil, and these monsters are fo' rizzle.
#6

Dragonhelm

Apr 11, 2004 12:05:33
Originally posted by Andre La Roche
That may be true in most cases for those kids, but this time I'm Scrappy-Doo gone evil, and these monsters are fo' rizzle.



Andre', that was the scariest thing you've ever said.
#7

daedavias_dup

Apr 11, 2004 12:31:20

But that isn't the answer I wanted!

I suppose a list would suffice. It's just so I know what all is in it. Jamie leaked that daemon warriors and daemon lords are in it, which has me psyched, and the previews have me even more psyched, but I need a list, dang it!

*gets down on hands and knees and begs*

PAWEASE!
#8

sweetmeats

Apr 11, 2004 14:06:25 		Aye. A contents list is the best way of promoting a monster product.
#9

wolffenjugend_dup

Apr 11, 2004 15:16:04 		Agreed!
#10

cam_banks

Apr 11, 2004 21:13:24 		We still haven't done with releasing the preview creatures yet! If Jamie does end up publishing a table of contents, it will be after the 6th week preview. And even if he doesn't, there's sure to be some more information leaked to folks right up until the release of the book. So keep watching www.dragonlance.com!

Cheers,
Cam
#11

sweetmeats

Apr 12, 2004 7:03:30
Originally posted by Cam Banks

We still haven't done with releasing the preview creatures yet! If Jamie does end up publishing a table of contents, it will be after the 6th week preview.

I agree. I was just speaking my mind on the idea.

We still have KoD to come before the Bestiary anyway.
#12

zombiegleemax

Apr 12, 2004 7:09:07 		As Cam has already pointed out, we have one more Wednesday creature to show you as we get closer to the release of the Bestiary of Krynn. We have some more neat plans after that, and you can be sure we'll let you know what to expect in the book. But first, a bit more teasing!

Hint of the day... The Bestiary has a new type of dragon! Age of Mortals detailed the evil sea dragons, and while their good counterparts have been hinted at they have never been revealed. Created by Margaret Weis and beautifully illustrated, the Bestiary features the Aquatic Dragon.

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#13

brimstone

Apr 12, 2004 9:43:43 		Excellent!

So...if there's a good counterpart to the Sea Dragon...does that mean there are goo counterparts to Dragon Turtles, Amphi Dragons, and Brine Dragons, too? Or do they not really count since they're more "pseudo-dragon" than true dragon? (of course the AoM stipulates that Sea Dragons are most likely not "true" dragons either...)

#14

cam_banks

Apr 12, 2004 10:00:39
Originally posted by Brimstone
So...if there's a good counterpart to the Sea Dragon...does that mean there are goo counterparts to Dragon Turtles, Amphi Dragons, and Brine Dragons, too? Or do they not really count since they're more "pseudo-dragon" than true dragon? (of course the AoM stipulates that Sea Dragons are most likely not "true" dragons either...)

Dragon turtles, like wyverns, are dragons but not true dragons. They do not have age categories or enjoy all the benefits that true dragons do. Sea dragons, aquatic dragons and amphi dragons are true dragons.

Brine dragons are something of an aberration limited to Watermere, and don't offer a whole lot that sea dragons don't already offer. Plus, they have goofy big grins, so...

Cheers,
Cam
#15

brimstone

Apr 12, 2004 10:28:40 		That's right...they were creations of the Sea Witch, right?

Amphi Dragons...aren't they supposedly a cross breed of Sea and Green dragons? (or Sea and Black?) I'm looking forward to seeing the art of the Amphi Dragon. They looked so weird in TotL.
#16

cam_banks

Apr 12, 2004 10:48:00
Originally posted by Brimstone
They looked so weird in TotL.

Tales of the Lance and the Dragonlance Monstrous Compendium switched the artwork for the sea dragon and amphi dragon. The amphi looks a lot like a big toad, for example, which is not what the DLMC had (it had the sea dragon's picture by mistake).

Cheers,
Cam
#17

brimstone

Apr 12, 2004 10:59:22 		Same mistake was made in the Dragonlance Player's Guide which had the Sea and Amphi Dragon pictures switched. It also had all the "Lost Folk" pictures in the wrong place.

I've always wondered...did the other TSR worlds have to deal with the same problems of quality control that we as Dragonlance fans had to?
#18

zombiegleemax

Apr 12, 2004 11:08:47
Originally posted by Brimstone
Same mistake was made in the Dragonlance Player's Guide which had the Sea and Amphi Dragon pictures switched. It also had all the "Lost Folk" pictures in the wrong place.

That's nothing comapred to the Spellfire card set debacle!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#19

cam_banks

Apr 12, 2004 11:12:38
Originally posted by jechambers
That's nothing comapred to the Spellfire card set debacle!

What was that? Tika's picture on Lord Soth's card? Fistandantilus with Elminster's artwork?

Cheers,
Cam
#20

zombiegleemax

Apr 12, 2004 11:15:23
Originally posted by Cam Banks
What was that? Tika's picture on Lord Soth's card? Fistandantilus with Elminster's artwork?

Cheers,
Cam

My favorite was the "LORD GUNTHAR" card with a picture of Caramon from the Tales of the Lance cover painting.

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#21

brimstone

Apr 12, 2004 12:31:00 		LOL!

Nice. I only had two packs of Spellfire cards (with only a couple Dragonlance pics in them).

I'm glad now I didn't purchase the whole set when I had the chance back in high school.
#22

zombiegleemax

Apr 12, 2004 12:33:04
Originally posted by jechambers
My favorite was the "LORD GUNTHAR" card with a picture of Caramon from the Tales of the Lance cover painting.

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.

Personally, I prefer the "Knight of Solamnia" card with the picture of Steel from the cover of Second Generation on it.
#23

Nived

Apr 12, 2004 12:57:23 		A list?

Well lets see what I can remember being confirmed. Either through the Beatiary previews, the Sovereign team failing to be tight lipped on the forums, and the Dungeon Master Resource booklet with the DM Screen

Noble Draconians
-Venom
-Lightning
-Vapor
-Frost
-Flame
Whisper Spider
Forrest Master
Child of the Sea
Ankholian Undead
Aquatic Dragon
Amphi Dragon
Daemon Warriors
Daemon Lords
Stahnk
Traag Draconian
Huldrefolk
Cave Lord
Gurik Cha'ahl
Sligs
Jarak-sinn
Ghagglers
Proto-creature
Divine Messenger

I'll keep editing this list till release.
*Edit* No Kodragons
#24

zombiegleemax

Apr 12, 2004 13:10:08 		what the heck is a Traag Draconian?
#25

brimstone

Apr 12, 2004 13:10:23 		Hmm...I don't recall any mention of kodragons in the bestiary...can't they just be forgotten and die? ;)

I don't remember hearing about Traags either. That's cool.
#26

brimstone

Apr 12, 2004 13:12:10
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
what the heck is a Traag Draconian?

One of the failed first attempts at draconians by the Dark Queen. They're found only on Taladas now.

They're wingless, like Auraks...although I'm not sure which eggs they're made from.
#27

cam_banks

Apr 12, 2004 13:14:11 		Remember that nothing is final until you see it in the book. Some of the creatures mentioned in the Dragonlance DM Screen booklet as being in the Bestiary may or may not have ended up being included, for example.

Cheers,
Cam
#28

kipper_snifferdoo_02

Apr 12, 2004 13:14:51
Originally posted by Brimstone
Hmm...I don't recall any mention of kodragons in the bestiary...can't they just be forgotten and die? ;)

What? how dare you! Save the Kodragon from extinction! I know Sovereign Press is just waiting for the right moment to announce the "Kodraconomicon". I'll just wait patiently for that day.
:D
#29

Nived

Apr 12, 2004 13:19:10 		I understand that Cam, I was just giving a list of things I 'heard' were going to be in, my list is nothing official.

And yeah the Traags are in Taladas and Jaimie confirmed their inclusion in thiis thread.
#30

brimstone

Apr 12, 2004 13:28:31
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Some of the creatures mentioned in the Dragonlance DM Screen booklet as being in the Bestiary may or may not have ended up being included, for example.

Oh crud. I hope that's not the case and you're just being ornery, Cam. Everyone mentioned in the DLDMS I was looking forward to.
Originally posted by Kipper
What? how dare you! Save the Kodragon from extinction!

Sorry Sean...I just can't condone those "monsters" as official Dragonlance creatures. If they're in, though...I will accept it.
#31

cam_banks

Apr 12, 2004 13:39:19
Originally posted by Brimstone
Sorry Sean...I just can't condone those "monsters" as official Dragonlance creatures. If they're in, though...I will accept it.

Then I'm pleased to officially announce that there are no kodragons in the Bestiary of Krynn, nor will there be any in any web enhancements, etc etc. That should at least clear that up for you. ;)

Cheers,
Cam
#32

Dragonhelm

Apr 12, 2004 13:54:04
Originally posted by Kipper Snifferdoo
What? how dare you! Save the Kodragon from extinction! I know Sovereign Press is just waiting for the right moment to announce the "Kodraconomicon". I'll just wait patiently for that day.
:D

75 years later, Kipper Snifferdoo would get his request. Sovereign Press just ran out of DL things to put sourcebooks out on! :D
#33

ferratus

Apr 12, 2004 14:58:17 		Oh well, no Kodragons. So useful for the adventuring wizard, though. The shinking breath weapon and portable hole allows for the encumberance intolerant wizard to carry so much of his gear. ;)

Though nobody has explained to me why the kodragons are so horrible other than the fact that were in a bad adventure. I think a name change and different artwork would be enough to redeem the creature.
#34

brimstone

Apr 12, 2004 15:42:17
Originally posted by ferratus
Though nobody has explained to me why the kodragons are so horrible other than the fact that were in a bad adventure.

Well, for me there are several reasons.

First their introduction left a poor taste in my mouth. Their connection to the astral dragon...which in and of itself wasn't bad...but the story of them locking it down so Paladine and Takhisis could have a little quality BDSM time to create the first dragons...eesh!

But mostly...they were just too...odd, I guess. It was like the kender of the dragon world...and I already had enough of a problem with Krynn's cutsier races (kender, gully dwarves, and gnomes)...one more I think was kind of the proverbial straw...so to speak.

I don't know. It's just my opinion. Like I said, if they become official now, I will accept it. I won't like it, but I'll accept it. heh heh
#35

ferratus

Apr 12, 2004 16:07:09
Originally posted by Brimstone

First their introduction left a poor taste in my mouth. Their connection to the astral dragon...which in and of itself wasn't bad...but the story of them locking it down so Paladine and Takhisis could have a little quality BDSM time to create the first dragons...eesh!

Yeah, though I wouldn't mind Astral dragons as the counterparts of the shadow dragons. Drop the chains and make them connected to the Astral plane like the Shadow Dragons and they'd be allright. In fact, I myself can't accept the shadow dragon without an astral counterpart simply because the dragons have always represented the struggle between good and evil for me.

I am very pleased that there is a counterpart to the evil sea dragon now for the very same reason. I am also glad that the draconians and dragonspawn are following in that same theme. The bestiary is providing a lot of monsters that provide the missing peices that will keep the core themes of the setting intact.


But mostly...they were just too...odd, I guess. It was like the kender of the dragon world...
and I already had enough of a problem with Krynn's cutsier races (kender, gully dwarves, and gnomes)...one more I think was kind of the proverbial straw...so to speak.

Oh okay, I can understand that. Am I correct in assuming that you hate the pseudodragon as well? I mean, they are little tiny dragons who have the personality of itty-bitty kittens. ;) I think we both share a mutual hatred of fairy dragons as well.
#36

brimstone

Apr 12, 2004 16:11:04
Originally posted by ferratus
Oh okay, I can understand that. Am I correct in assuming that you hate the pseudodragon as well? I mean, they are little tiny dragons who have the personality of itty-bitty kittens. ;) I think we both share a mutual hatred of fairy dragons as well.

Well, since they're more D&D generic and I haven't had to deal with them in a module/story setting...I haven't really paid that much attention to them.

But yeah, they'd probably bug the crap out of me if they showed up in a Dragonlance novel.
#37

daedavias_dup

Apr 12, 2004 16:34:22 		Nived, you forgot to list the Daemonlord. That or I can't read. The latter is more than likely the case :P
#38

zombiegleemax

Apr 12, 2004 22:25:03
Originally posted by Brimstone
Well, for me there are several reasons.

First their introduction left a poor taste in my mouth. Their connection to the astral dragon...which in and of itself wasn't bad...but the story of them locking it down so Paladine and Takhisis could have a little quality BDSM time to create the first dragons...eesh!

But mostly...they were just too...odd, I guess. It was like the kender of the dragon world...and I already had enough of a problem with Krynn's cutsier races (kender, gully dwarves, and gnomes)...one more I think was kind of the proverbial straw...so to speak.

I don't know. It's just my opinion. Like I said, if they become official now, I will accept it. I won't like it, but I'll accept it. heh heh

...I have no knowledge of the module that kodragons first appeared in...but now I don't think I want to...
#39

sweetmeats

Apr 13, 2004 6:50:21 		I don't mind the Kodragon. I don't really understand the dislike of them. I think that (as someone said) that you do come across as Kender Dragon's but thats in fitting a little.

SS shouldn't cut and choose just because they don't like it. Kodragon's have been part of DL since 2nd edition (DL MC and Dragon Dawn triogy of adventures) and so deserve to be kept.
#40

zombiegleemax

Apr 13, 2004 7:45:23
Originally posted by SweetMeats
SS shouldn't cut and choose just because they don't like it. Kodragon's have been part of DL since 2nd edition (DL MC and Dragon Dawn triogy of adventures) and so deserve to be kept.

There were only so many pages in the book, so we had to make some choices. Obviously not everyone will agree with our choices, but furry little dragons did not meet our criteria for the kinds of creatures that should be included in the book.

The BESTIARY OF KRYNN doesn't list every creature that might be encountered upon Krynn, just many of them. If you like kodragons, feel free to use them in your own campaign!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.