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#1
zombiegleemax
Apr 13, 2004 15:37:19 I am about to play in a Dragonlance campaign(wanting to play a Wizard who specializes in evocation)and was looking through the High Sorcerey rules and found out that if you don't take the prestige class you can't increase your wizard level above second level(or something like that). So I look at the prestige class and find out that you have to specialize in a school; I didn't see evocation. Is this a typo or is it impossible to play an evoker?
#2
cam_banks
Apr 13, 2004 15:42:03
Originally posted by darkwarlock1114
I am about to play in a Dragonlance campaign(wanting to play a Wizard who specializes in evocation)and was looking through the High Sorcerey rules and found out that if you don't take the prestige class you can't increase your wizard level above second level(or something like that). So I look at the prestige class and find out that you have to specialize in a school; I didn't see evocation. Is this a typo or is it impossible to play an evoker?

Evocation and Conjuration are common to all three Orders, so none of them usually end up specializing in those schools. You can play a specialist evoker if you want, but you'll have to go the route of "generalist" wizard (in other words, you don't gain the enhanced specialization ability at 1st level of Wizard of High Sorcery). There are other options and guidelines for Wizards of High Sorcery in the upcoming Towers of High Sorcery sourcebook, but until then I would simply stick with this way of doing it.

Note that you will still need to take Spell Focus in one of your Order's favored schools. If you're going for White, I'd pick divination - there are more divination spells that need a boost for DC than abjuration ones. If you're interested in the Red Robes, transmutation's a really good choice.

Cheers,
Cam
#3
rpgpat
Apr 13, 2004 17:29:25
Originally posted by darkwarlock1114
I am about to play in a Dragonlance campaign(wanting to play a Wizard who specializes in evocation)and was looking through the High Sorcerey rules and found out that if you don't take the prestige class you can't increase your wizard level above second level(or something like that). So I look at the prestige class and find out that you have to specialize in a school; I didn't see evocation. Is this a typo or is it impossible to play an evoker?

Actually you can increase your wizard level above 2nd but if you dont become a WoHS then you'll be considered a renegade.

And as for specializing in a school of magic in Age of Mortals is says a WoHS doesn't have to specialize but they dont receive the Improved Specialization ability.
#4
cam_banks
Apr 13, 2004 17:46:01
Originally posted by RPGPat
Actually you can increase your wizard level above 2nd but if you dont become a WoHS then you'll be considered a renegade.

You can be a 4th level wizard and still not worry about the Orders. It's when you become able to cast 3rd-level spells that they take notice - so, usually they'll have you take the Test before that occurs.

Cheers,
Cam
#5
The_White_Sorcerer
Apr 13, 2004 20:34:28
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Note that you will still need to take Spell Focus in one of your Order's favored schools.

Actually, no. You have to take Spell Focus in any other school than those belonging to the other orders. So White Robes can take Spell Focus in abjuration, conjuration, divination, or evocation.
#6
cam_banks
Apr 13, 2004 21:21:00
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
Actually, no. You have to take Spell Focus in any other school than those belonging to the other orders. So White Robes can take Spell Focus in abjuration, conjuration, divination, or evocation.

Well remembered.

Cheers,
Cam
#7
zombiegleemax
Apr 14, 2004 9:35:14 Of course, if you find the Wizards of High Sorcery being too stuffy about accepting an Evoker, you can always be assured of a place in the warm, loving and tolerant bosom of the Knights of the Thorn...:D
#8
theredrobedwizard
Apr 15, 2004 18:11:17 Step 1) Take Spell Focus (Illusion, Transmutation, Conjuration, or Evocation)
Step 2) Get 4 levels of Evoker.
Step 3) Take your test and make sure to be concerned about the balance.
Step 4) Wear your new Red Robes.
Step 5) Win.

-TRRW
#9
sweetmeats
Apr 16, 2004 4:34:18
Originally posted by TheRedRobedWizard
Step 3) Take your test and make sure to be concerned about the balance.
Step 4) Wear your new Red Robes.
Step 5) Win.

Ok, heres a little semi-off topic question...

Its always been my understanding that in order to be a WoHS of a specific colour, you have to be that alignment and yet I have been getting the impression from these boards that thats not the case anymore. So, which is correct?
#10
The_White_Sorcerer
Apr 16, 2004 5:02:11
Originally posted by SweetMeats
Its always been my understanding that in order to be a WoHS of a specific colour, you have to be that alignment and yet I have been getting the impression from these boards that thats not the case anymore. So, which is correct?

I have no idea how you've gotten that impression. You most definately need to be good/neutral/evil to belong to the White/Red/Black Robes.
#11
sweetmeats
Apr 16, 2004 5:20:12 Thanx. Glad that I've been doing it right.
#12
cam_banks
Apr 16, 2004 5:57:18
Originally posted by SweetMeats
Ok, heres a little semi-off topic question...

Its always been my understanding that in order to be a WoHS of a specific colour, you have to be that alignment and yet I have been getting the impression from these boards that thats not the case anymore. So, which is correct?

It's often the case that a DM may decide that during the Test, the player's actions (which determine which Order they join if they survive) are indicative of a change in alignment from what they had when they went in. The Test is in all ways a soulforge, a life-changing experience which can produce dramatic changes in attitudes, behavior and even appearance. It's an opportunity for the player to re-evaluate his character's personality, too, although by the time they're ready for the Test they should probably already know what their decisions will be once they're in there.

Cheers,
Cam
#13
zombiegleemax
Apr 16, 2004 14:42:14 What balance?
#14
The_White_Sorcerer
Apr 16, 2004 14:54:31
Originally posted by darkwarlock1114
What balance?

The Balance between Light and Darkness.
#15
zombiegleemax
Apr 18, 2004 18:08:54 Does a specialist wizard who chooses the "generalist" path (such as the evoker discussed above) have to choose his opposition schools from those preferred by other orders?
#16
rpgpat
Apr 18, 2004 18:38:17 If the character doesn't actually specialize in a school of magic they don't need to choose opposition schools.
#17
zombiegleemax
Apr 18, 2004 19:27:51 When a Wizard of High Sorcery choses his enhanced specialization school to give up, can he give up divination.
#18
cam_banks
Apr 18, 2004 22:37:43
Originally posted by darkwarlock1114
When a Wizard of High Sorcery choses his enhanced specialization school to give up, can he give up divination.

By the book, specialists can never choose to give up divination as a school. A Red Robe or Black Robe wizard who chooses to take enhanced specialization can end up without abjuration (from White) and the two schools of the other Order when he gains the Wizard of High Sorcery prestige class, for example.

Cheers,
Cam
#19
zombiegleemax
Apr 19, 2004 10:34:01
If the character doesn't actually specialize in a school of magic they don't need to choose opposition schools.

What I mean is, what happens when the wizard is actually a specialist but uses the optional generalist WoHS rule from Age of Mortals?
#20
cam_banks
Apr 19, 2004 10:42:12
Originally posted by cnposner
What I mean is, what happens when the wizard is actually a specialist but uses the optional generalist WoHS rule from Age of Mortals?

This isn't explicitly covered in the DLCS or the AoM, but you can just leave them as a specialist and ignore the enhanced specialization benefits from the WoHS class. I wouldn't allow wizards to join an Order who are specialized in a school that is favored by another Order (no transmuters joining the White Robes, for example) but an evoker or conjurer should be fine.

Cheers,
Cam
#21
zombiegleemax
Apr 19, 2004 10:54:58
This isn't explicitly covered in the DLCS or the AoM, but you can just leave them as a specialist and ignore the enhanced specialization benefits from the WoHS class. I wouldn't allow wizards to join an Order who are specialized in a school that is favored by another Order (no transmuters joining the White Robes, for example) but an evoker or conjurer should be fine.

Thank you, but is such a specialist bound by restrictions on the choice of opposition schools?
#22
cam_banks
Apr 19, 2004 12:47:48
Originally posted by cnposner
Thank you, but is such a specialist bound by restrictions on the choice of opposition schools?

They choose two schools (with the exception of diviners, who only choose one) as opposition schools, and divination can't be one of them. It would probably be a little odd for a wizard to choose one of his eventual Order's two favored schools as opposition schools. So, the evoker could choose conjuration and necromancy and join the Red or White Robes, for example.

Cheers,
Cam
#23
zombiegleemax
Apr 19, 2004 15:27:04 Can you not use the enhanced specialization rules? Is there some rule saying it's optional. Or is it at DM"S discretion.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Apr 13, 2004 15:37:19	I am about to play in a Dragonlance campaign(wanting to play a Wizard who specializes in evocation)and was looking through the High Sorcerey rules and found out that if you don't take the prestige class you can't increase your wizard level above second level(or something like that). So I look at the prestige class and find out that you have to specialize in a school; I didn't see evocation. Is this a typo or is it impossible to play an evoker?
#2 cam_banks Apr 13, 2004 15:42:03	Originally posted by darkwarlock1114 I am about to play in a Dragonlance campaign(wanting to play a Wizard who specializes in evocation)and was looking through the High Sorcerey rules and found out that if you don't take the prestige class you can't increase your wizard level above second level(or something like that). So I look at the prestige class and find out that you have to specialize in a school; I didn't see evocation. Is this a typo or is it impossible to play an evoker? Evocation and Conjuration are common to all three Orders, so none of them usually end up specializing in those schools. You can play a specialist evoker if you want, but you'll have to go the route of "generalist" wizard (in other words, you don't gain the enhanced specialization ability at 1st level of Wizard of High Sorcery). There are other options and guidelines for Wizards of High Sorcery in the upcoming Towers of High Sorcery sourcebook, but until then I would simply stick with this way of doing it. Note that you will still need to take Spell Focus in one of your Order's favored schools. If you're going for White, I'd pick divination - there are more divination spells that need a boost for DC than abjuration ones. If you're interested in the Red Robes, transmutation's a really good choice. Cheers, Cam
#3 rpgpat Apr 13, 2004 17:29:25	Originally posted by darkwarlock1114 I am about to play in a Dragonlance campaign(wanting to play a Wizard who specializes in evocation)and was looking through the High Sorcerey rules and found out that if you don't take the prestige class you can't increase your wizard level above second level(or something like that). So I look at the prestige class and find out that you have to specialize in a school; I didn't see evocation. Is this a typo or is it impossible to play an evoker? Actually you can increase your wizard level above 2nd but if you dont become a WoHS then you'll be considered a renegade. And as for specializing in a school of magic in Age of Mortals is says a WoHS doesn't have to specialize but they dont receive the Improved Specialization ability.
#4 cam_banks Apr 13, 2004 17:46:01	Originally posted by RPGPat Actually you can increase your wizard level above 2nd but if you dont become a WoHS then you'll be considered a renegade. You can be a 4th level wizard and still not worry about the Orders. It's when you become able to cast 3rd-level spells that they take notice - so, usually they'll have you take the Test before that occurs. Cheers, Cam
#5 The_White_Sorcerer Apr 13, 2004 20:34:28	Originally posted by Cam Banks Note that you will still need to take Spell Focus in one of your Order's favored schools. Actually, no. You have to take Spell Focus in any other school than those belonging to the other orders. So White Robes can take Spell Focus in abjuration, conjuration, divination, or evocation.
#6 cam_banks Apr 13, 2004 21:21:00	Originally posted by The White Sorcerer Actually, no. You have to take Spell Focus in any other school than those belonging to the other orders. So White Robes can take Spell Focus in abjuration, conjuration, divination, or evocation. Well remembered. Cheers, Cam
#7 zombiegleemax Apr 14, 2004 9:35:14	Of course, if you find the Wizards of High Sorcery being too stuffy about accepting an Evoker, you can always be assured of a place in the warm, loving and tolerant bosom of the Knights of the Thorn...:D
#8 theredrobedwizard Apr 15, 2004 18:11:17	Step 1) Take Spell Focus (Illusion, Transmutation, Conjuration, or Evocation) Step 2) Get 4 levels of Evoker. Step 3) Take your test and make sure to be concerned about the balance. Step 4) Wear your new Red Robes. Step 5) Win. -TRRW
#9 sweetmeats Apr 16, 2004 4:34:18	Originally posted by TheRedRobedWizard Step 3) Take your test and make sure to be concerned about the balance. Step 4) Wear your new Red Robes. Step 5) Win. Ok, heres a little semi-off topic question... Its always been my understanding that in order to be a WoHS of a specific colour, you have to be that alignment and yet I have been getting the impression from these boards that thats not the case anymore. So, which is correct?
#10 The_White_Sorcerer Apr 16, 2004 5:02:11	Originally posted by SweetMeats Its always been my understanding that in order to be a WoHS of a specific colour, you have to be that alignment and yet I have been getting the impression from these boards that thats not the case anymore. So, which is correct? I have no idea how you've gotten that impression. You most definately need to be good/neutral/evil to belong to the White/Red/Black Robes.
#11 sweetmeats Apr 16, 2004 5:20:12	Thanx. Glad that I've been doing it right.
#12 cam_banks Apr 16, 2004 5:57:18	Originally posted by SweetMeats Ok, heres a little semi-off topic question... Its always been my understanding that in order to be a WoHS of a specific colour, you have to be that alignment and yet I have been getting the impression from these boards that thats not the case anymore. So, which is correct? It's often the case that a DM may decide that during the Test, the player's actions (which determine which Order they join if they survive) are indicative of a change in alignment from what they had when they went in. The Test is in all ways a soulforge, a life-changing experience which can produce dramatic changes in attitudes, behavior and even appearance. It's an opportunity for the player to re-evaluate his character's personality, too, although by the time they're ready for the Test they should probably already know what their decisions will be once they're in there. Cheers, Cam
#13 zombiegleemax Apr 16, 2004 14:42:14	What balance?
#14 The_White_Sorcerer Apr 16, 2004 14:54:31	Originally posted by darkwarlock1114 What balance? The Balance between Light and Darkness.
#15 zombiegleemax Apr 18, 2004 18:08:54	Does a specialist wizard who chooses the "generalist" path (such as the evoker discussed above) have to choose his opposition schools from those preferred by other orders?
#16 rpgpat Apr 18, 2004 18:38:17	If the character doesn't actually specialize in a school of magic they don't need to choose opposition schools.
#17 zombiegleemax Apr 18, 2004 19:27:51	When a Wizard of High Sorcery choses his enhanced specialization school to give up, can he give up divination.
#18 cam_banks Apr 18, 2004 22:37:43	Originally posted by darkwarlock1114 When a Wizard of High Sorcery choses his enhanced specialization school to give up, can he give up divination. By the book, specialists can never choose to give up divination as a school. A Red Robe or Black Robe wizard who chooses to take enhanced specialization can end up without abjuration (from White) and the two schools of the other Order when he gains the Wizard of High Sorcery prestige class, for example. Cheers, Cam
#19 zombiegleemax Apr 19, 2004 10:34:01	If the character doesn't actually specialize in a school of magic they don't need to choose opposition schools. What I mean is, what happens when the wizard is actually a specialist but uses the optional generalist WoHS rule from Age of Mortals?
#20 cam_banks Apr 19, 2004 10:42:12	Originally posted by cnposner What I mean is, what happens when the wizard is actually a specialist but uses the optional generalist WoHS rule from Age of Mortals? This isn't explicitly covered in the DLCS or the AoM, but you can just leave them as a specialist and ignore the enhanced specialization benefits from the WoHS class. I wouldn't allow wizards to join an Order who are specialized in a school that is favored by another Order (no transmuters joining the White Robes, for example) but an evoker or conjurer should be fine. Cheers, Cam
#21 zombiegleemax Apr 19, 2004 10:54:58	This isn't explicitly covered in the DLCS or the AoM, but you can just leave them as a specialist and ignore the enhanced specialization benefits from the WoHS class. I wouldn't allow wizards to join an Order who are specialized in a school that is favored by another Order (no transmuters joining the White Robes, for example) but an evoker or conjurer should be fine. Thank you, but is such a specialist bound by restrictions on the choice of opposition schools?
#22 cam_banks Apr 19, 2004 12:47:48	Originally posted by cnposner Thank you, but is such a specialist bound by restrictions on the choice of opposition schools? They choose two schools (with the exception of diviners, who only choose one) as opposition schools, and divination can't be one of them. It would probably be a little odd for a wizard to choose one of his eventual Order's two favored schools as opposition schools. So, the evoker could choose conjuration and necromancy and join the Red or White Robes, for example. Cheers, Cam
#23 zombiegleemax Apr 19, 2004 15:27:04	Can you not use the enhanced specialization rules? Is there some rule saying it's optional. Or is it at DM"S discretion.