Anyway Mach, Dawnstealer and Xlorep, if you're reading this Nathan gave me your names and said you guys were good site designers.
I’m thinking of a site that is more "designed" as opposed to what is out there: the heavy text look. If I gave you jpegs, gifs, etc, think you could piece it together in an 800 x 600 format and combine text elements into it? It would have a menu bar on top and sub menu on the left... I'll can draw it out to give you an idea of what I see in my mind.
If you’re interested give me a holler. Later.
Anyway Mach, Dawnstealer and Xlorep, if you're reading this Nathan gave me your names and said you guys were good site designers.
I can code about as well as a drunken, three legged ox can jump hurdles . . . check sig for crappy site (not going back to it till I get something that isn't geocities).
Still, I am game for just about anything. Drop me a line at darkstarfalling[at]sbcglobal[dot]net. Granted, I can only do HTML and other basic mularkey.
Just kidding. :D
code in front page
Ug - I'd rather make racecars out of my poop.
But seriously, Isn't that the industry norm? Or is there a more user friendly program out there for the "dummies"?
Front Page is nice if you want to make a vanilla web page that looks like everyone elses (animated gifs and all). If you like to do neat things with your web page, though, like image maps (something I use quite liberally on my site), hard-coding's the way to go.
Just handles things way more sanely than FP could ever dream of doing.
I deal with FP on a regular basis at work and it's just plain evil, spawn of satan I tell you!
:D
HTML tutorials
Of course, with people checking out the art on the page, the site will likely be up and down with frightening regularity.
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Another good editor to use if you have shell access is vi. Vi fing rules!
Originally posted by Markus.l
LOL!
But seriously, Isn't that the industry norm? Or is there a more user friendly program out there for the "dummies"?
I would hope not. Actually, those who *really* get into the coding and getting everything just right, don't use those "What you see is what you get" (WYSIWYG) editors. Straight HTML is best, as those editors can't seem to get it right, and just make for a very confused page. I haven't seen one yet that can put HTML down correctly and meet the 100% HTML 4.x or XHTML 1.x standards. And something like Frontpage, written by the infamous Microsloth, will probably never do that, since they believe they don't need to follow the standards.
HTML is very, very easy to write in. For the most part, it's just marking the beginning and end of a part of text you are making bold, italic, or underlined, as well as a few other text formatting codes. There's the added features if inserting graphics correctly and then more complex things like tables, but they really are extremely easy (especially in the scope of computer complexities) to do.
For editors, I use VIM. For HTML, XML, JavaScript, C, C++, Java, PHP, SQL, etc.... It has a handy-dandy text coloring/formatting feature, and is rather robust with everything it can do. Of course, it is written for Linux/UNIX, but I think there was someone who decided to finally release a version of it for Winblows. It's pretty much completely text-based, without the decreased productivity or speed of coding that a mouse can bring getting in the way
Originally posted by NytCrawlr
Keep trying it. He has limited bandwidth.
Another good editor to use if you have shell access is vi. Vi fing rules!
Vim > Vi.
*thppt*
:D
Originally posted by Dawnstealer
Here's a link to my HTML tutorials. Not finished yet, but it'll get most people started.
HTML tutorials
The tutorial is good. I actually learned through word. Make a document, then save it as code. Then open the code and see what everything looks like. That's not really what I need a coder for. I want the D.S. site to be full of graphics. In the background, on the side bar and top and bottom. Then have button/links on those areas that are "menu-able". THATS what I don't know how to do...
I want the D.S. site to be full of graphics.
Graphics are nice, but they add unneccessary 'busy' aspects to a website. You want your audience to be reading your information, not gawking over a few pics that they're going to see a million times more. Very few of the most popular websites use a lot of graphics. It slows down the site for slower speed users, uses up unneccessary bandwidth (and hence, becomes more costly in the long term). One or two per page is about what is considered a user friendly basis. Plus, there is a small but noteworthy percentage of people who browse with graphics turned off. Unless the graphic actually serves a specific purpose on the page its presented on, its better to ditch it no matter how cool it looks at first.
Then have button/links on those areas that are "menu-able". THATS what I don't know how to do...
Another faux paus. Graphic buttons are another aspect of needless bandwidth. Keeping your menu in text means simpler editing of the site in general, faster loading, etc. Also, keeping your entire site accessible from a single floating menu seems to work better in many people's opinion; making graphic navigation buttons takes up page space that could be used to make your navigation section more user friendly with the inclusion of more accessible links from a single page.
Just some junk I've read and heard from when I wanted to do webpage design . . . until some retard had to make things like php scripting and crap like that which I can't figure out for the life of me.
What Mach said.
Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm
For editors, I use VIM. For HTML, XML, JavaScript, C, C++, Java, PHP, SQL, etc.... It has a handy-dandy text coloring/formatting feature, and is rather robust with everything it can do. Of course, it is written for Linux/UNIX, but I think there was someone who decided to finally release a version of it for Winblows. It's pretty much completely text-based, without the decreased productivity or speed of coding that a mouse can bring getting in the way
I like you more every day. :D
And yes, there is a windows version. Even has mouse support. It's been out for a while, really. http://www.vim.org/
Help those Ugandan orphans! ;)
Originally posted by Dawnstealer
Ah, that's javascript, my friend (not to be confused with Java - a whole other monster). Not too tough, but those drop-down menus annoy a lot of people, I've found. I've found the more book-like a site is, the more people are likely to use it. If drop-menus are what you want, though, javascript's the way to go. As far as graphics go, I've made some pretty graphics-heavy sites in my time and, yar: I know how to make buttons (art-wise).
I've actually done the drop down menus using nothing but CSS.
http://meteu.octoraro.org:8000/
The menudrops at the top are actually done with styles. Not a lick of Javascript on the page. The problem is that certain non-standards compliant browsers currently in overwhelming use *cough* don't display this properly. (read: at all)
Originally posted by Markus.l
As informative as Athas.org and the crimsonsun sites are they drive me to tears with their lack of "eye-candy". I'm here to help everyone's right-side of the brain. Just my graphic design sense coming through ;)
That's actually something I want to fix over the coming months. However, I am a minimalist, and so any added Eye-Candy has to be
1) Subtle
2) Non-essential.
Sorry Dawnstealer, but imagemaps are horrid most of the time. From two perspectives: If you're on a low bandwidth connection, it takes forever just to be allowed to navigate the site; if you're reading in a text browser.
With image maps, there must be a second way to navigate the site. Or, you're completely closed off to, say, blind people, who use text-only mediums.
The web used to be a lot more accessable before everyone got obsessed with making it "pretty" like their printed brochures.
(sobs uncontrollably for a good forty minutes, forgets what I was crying about, and falls asleep)
I've got the HUGEST, yeah again -> the HUGEST :D Darksun web links of the net. Would you mind having a look at my poor html web site and see if it could use some enhancement (which I am pretty sure of).
I've got the HUGEST, yeah again -> the HUGEST Darksun web links of the net.
Perhaps the word "Hugerest" is in order, or maybe "scrumptulescent." Yes. Yessss...... scrumptulescent.
Originally posted by Dawnstealer
My image maps are beautiful! You...you...*sniff*... you don't know!
(sobs uncontrollably for a good forty minutes, forgets what I was crying about, and falls asleep)
It's okay, Dawnstealer. I'm sure they're gorgeous. (actually, given the way you draw, I really am) ... I'm just talking in the general case, which is that pure imagemaps are a really poor design element from any perspective other than "make-it-pretty!"
*pats Dawnstealer on the head*
Originally posted by Grummore
Markus, you are needing a coder or people can ask for your help for having a better looking site? :D
I've got the HUGEST, yeah again -> the HUGEST :D Darksun web links of the net. Would you mind having a look at my poor html web site and see if it could use some enhancement (which I am pretty sure of).
Yup saw your site a while back. SHLOADS of links! Needs a good english grammar edit as well. I could definitely do something with it. What did you have in mind?
Originally posted by Markus.l
Yup saw your site a while back. SHLOADS of links! Needs a good english grammar edit as well. I could definitely do something with it. What did you have in mind?
Yeah, you are sooooo right, my web site need a good facial faceup. But the thing is that I dont know what you can do or what to do. And MORE, I dont really know what I want! :D I have sooo few time right now... mind blank mind blank :D
Originally posted by Grummore
Yeah, you are sooooo right, my web site need a good facial faceup. But the thing is that I dont know what you can do or what to do. And MORE, I dont really know what I want! :D I have sooo few time right now... mind blank mind blank :D
Well if you can code my design's I could easily give it a decent "face lift".
My first note would be to make the initial starting page [silt skimmer picture] a choice for people to either view the site in English or Canadian French. Granted that will make you have 2 sites in one but shouldn't be a problem and it will be SOOOOOO MUCH CLEANER! Otherwise it's quite confusing to the casual D.S. seacher.