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AoM Unofficial Errata Query

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#1
zombiegleemax
Apr 18, 2004 2:43:28 Brimstone mentioned that he had done an unofficial errata for AoM on another thread. Does anyone know where I can find this?

Thanks

Simon Collins
#2
Dragonhelm
Apr 18, 2004 10:33:14 I don't believe that Brimstone has posted the AoM unofficial errata yet. We'll make an announcement when he does, though.

Brim, thanks for your hard work on the errata, man!
#3
brimstone
Apr 19, 2004 10:02:44 Simon,

Thanks for the inquiry. It will be very, very soon. I'll let everyone know as soon as it's up on the website. (or they will...or someone...well, anyway, it'll be posted here when it's up)
#4
raistlinrox
Apr 20, 2004 2:31:49 Is there an erratta for the DLCS somewhere?
#5
brimstone
Apr 20, 2004 10:47:37
Originally posted by raistlinrox
Is there an erratta for the DLCS somewhere?

Just my unofficial one here.

As soon as I can get these stupid advanced dragon rules figured out, version 2 of my DLCS errata will be out, and the first version of my AoM errata will on the site as well.

All of this is unofficial, of course. WotC never made an official errata for the DLCS.
#6
raistlinrox
Apr 21, 2004 2:58:40 Thanx U da man
#7
eaglos
Apr 21, 2004 9:26:57 How can someone publish a book with some many fundamental errors in it
We are not talking about a comma or an apostrophe but errors in names, dates etc.
#8
brimstone
Apr 22, 2004 14:52:25
Originally posted by Eaglos
We are not talking about a comma or an apostrophe but errors in names, dates etc.

Well...typos just happen. And then an author becomes so close to a piece, that they just don't see their mistakes anymore.

I think the real problem comes in (and this seems to be the case at WotC alot with the novels) is that you get an editor who just doesn't know enough about Dragonlance to recognize that when the book says, "red moon Solinari" that it is an incorrect statement.

I don't know...they're minor annoyances to me, yes...but I don't think they detract from the overall enjoyment of a book or RPG product (not always, anyway) ;)
#9
eaglos
Apr 22, 2004 20:07:01 My question does not concern WOTC but is a general one. I am giving my cash for a product that is problematic. In our case the product is a book and the problem is lots of typos.

I do not think that the cause of typos is the lack of "Dragonlance lore".
Checking books for typos is not a hobby or something that we do before bed time. It is a job that must be dealt with responsibility. If I do fundamental mistakes at my job I would get sacked.

I just cannot accept the "...sorry about typos that slipped through" excuse, because my cash has already left my pocket and is not slipping back into them

I guess what I ask is more responsibility.
#10
theredrobedwizard
Apr 22, 2004 21:54:24 Say you're a cashier at a grocery store. Hundreds or thousands of dollars pass through your hands every day. Every once in a while, you'll be off a penny here or there.

Now, imagine if instead of money, you were dealing with words. Every once in a while, you'll screw up one word. Sure, most times you'll catch it. There will be times, however, that you'll screw up. Humans screw up, it's what we're best at.

In short: Humans make mistakes, if you can't deal with that, don't buy books written by Humans.

-TRRW
#11
zombiegleemax
Apr 22, 2004 22:32:02 If you feel that better editing could be done, then the best way to voice your concern would be to contact the customer service dept. of Wizards of the Coast, Sovereign Press, and any other game company you may have an objection to in regards to editing. Voice your concern, let them know what product you're referring to, and they'll be better able to see where their faults lie, and to correct it to the future.

Brimstone, I may have something for your errata. Under the section of Spheres of Mysticism, it says something about Spiritualism. Yet I don't see a Spiritualism domain in either the Dragonlance sourcebook or this book.

Why do they call it Spheres of Mysticism, and not Domains of Mysticism?
#12
zombiegleemax
Apr 22, 2004 22:37:52 I believe that they are referred to as spheres of mysticism to retain the feel of the SAGA game......IIRC they were called spheres in the SAGA game. The domains are still domains....these spheres are just particular groupings of spells that share a common theme, much like domains....but IMHO a little more specific.
#13
eaglos
Apr 23, 2004 8:39:21
Originally posted by TheRedRobedWizard
Say you're a cashier at a grocery store. Hundreds or thousands of dollars pass through your hands every day. Every once in a while, you'll be off a penny here or there.

The above is the copmpany's perpsective not the customers one.
I am not a cashier I am a paying customer who cares about quality.

Now, imagine if instead of money, you were dealing with words. Every once in a while, you'll screw up one word. Sure, most times you'll catch it. There will be times, however, that you'll screw up. Humans screw up, it's what we're best at.

Yes, but the funny thing is that we never screw up when we pay for a product and companies never screw up when it comes to collecting our cash
Feeling ok about people who screw up with products for which you spend money does not make sense. Ok, it's only a $30 book but what if it was your car, house, PC...? Would you still feel "ok"?

In short: Humans make mistakes, if you can't deal with that, don't buy books written by Humans.

Not accepted. Since someone is paying he/she must demand for the best quality. If companies cannot deal with that...
---------

Anyway, enough of the theoretical conversation. Do we have any info about an official AoM errata or if at least SovPr. considers the matter ?
#14
brimstone
Apr 23, 2004 9:51:28
Originally posted by WizO_Drake
Brimstone, I may have something for your errata. Under the section of Spheres of Mysticism, it says something about Spiritualism. Yet I don't see a Spiritualism domain in either the Dragonlance sourcebook or this book.

I'll have to look into that.

There were two new mysticism domains/spheres in the AoM book...but I can't remember what they were.
#15
raistlinrox
Apr 23, 2004 9:54:16 Ummm, hate to break this to you, but people's houses and cars DO have problems...well most of them do that I know of at least. You're car has never broken down? Never heard of someone's roof leaking? Now, if we can only get a D&D gaming insurance company to take care of editing errors.....
#16
Dragonhelm
Apr 23, 2004 10:07:46
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
I believe that they are referred to as spheres of mysticism to retain the feel of the SAGA game......IIRC they were called spheres in the SAGA game. The domains are still domains....these spheres are just particular groupings of spells that share a common theme, much like domains....but IMHO a little more specific.

Right. In AD&D, wizards used schools, clerics used spheres. When the SAGA rules for DL were made, those terms were carried over for sorcerers and mystics.

In the 3e mindset, the term "schools" would have been confusing between wizards and sorcerers, so that was changed to "realms". Since cleric spheres are now domains, there was no problem using the term "spheres"

Basically, the realms and spheres amount to the same concept of clerical spheres in AD&D.

If you're looking for more info on this, check out the following article:

Paths of Magic

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Apr 18, 2004 2:43:28	Brimstone mentioned that he had done an unofficial errata for AoM on another thread. Does anyone know where I can find this? Thanks Simon Collins
#2 Dragonhelm Apr 18, 2004 10:33:14	I don't believe that Brimstone has posted the AoM unofficial errata yet. We'll make an announcement when he does, though. Brim, thanks for your hard work on the errata, man!
#3 brimstone Apr 19, 2004 10:02:44	Simon, Thanks for the inquiry. It will be very, very soon. I'll let everyone know as soon as it's up on the website. (or they will...or someone...well, anyway, it'll be posted here when it's up)
#4 raistlinrox Apr 20, 2004 2:31:49	Is there an erratta for the DLCS somewhere?
#5 brimstone Apr 20, 2004 10:47:37	Originally posted by raistlinrox Is there an erratta for the DLCS somewhere? Just my unofficial one here. As soon as I can get these stupid advanced dragon rules figured out, version 2 of my DLCS errata will be out, and the first version of my AoM errata will on the site as well. All of this is unofficial, of course. WotC never made an official errata for the DLCS.
#6 raistlinrox Apr 21, 2004 2:58:40	Thanx U da man
#7 eaglos Apr 21, 2004 9:26:57	How can someone publish a book with some many fundamental errors in it We are not talking about a comma or an apostrophe but errors in names, dates etc.
#8 brimstone Apr 22, 2004 14:52:25	Originally posted by Eaglos We are not talking about a comma or an apostrophe but errors in names, dates etc. Well...typos just happen. And then an author becomes so close to a piece, that they just don't see their mistakes anymore. I think the real problem comes in (and this seems to be the case at WotC alot with the novels) is that you get an editor who just doesn't know enough about Dragonlance to recognize that when the book says, "red moon Solinari" that it is an incorrect statement. I don't know...they're minor annoyances to me, yes...but I don't think they detract from the overall enjoyment of a book or RPG product (not always, anyway) ;)
#9 eaglos Apr 22, 2004 20:07:01	My question does not concern WOTC but is a general one. I am giving my cash for a product that is problematic. In our case the product is a book and the problem is lots of typos. I do not think that the cause of typos is the lack of "Dragonlance lore". Checking books for typos is not a hobby or something that we do before bed time. It is a job that must be dealt with responsibility. If I do fundamental mistakes at my job I would get sacked. I just cannot accept the "...sorry about typos that slipped through" excuse, because my cash has already left my pocket and is not slipping back into them I guess what I ask is more responsibility.
#10 theredrobedwizard Apr 22, 2004 21:54:24	Say you're a cashier at a grocery store. Hundreds or thousands of dollars pass through your hands every day. Every once in a while, you'll be off a penny here or there. Now, imagine if instead of money, you were dealing with words. Every once in a while, you'll screw up one word. Sure, most times you'll catch it. There will be times, however, that you'll screw up. Humans screw up, it's what we're best at. In short: Humans make mistakes, if you can't deal with that, don't buy books written by Humans. -TRRW
#11 zombiegleemax Apr 22, 2004 22:32:02	If you feel that better editing could be done, then the best way to voice your concern would be to contact the customer service dept. of Wizards of the Coast, Sovereign Press, and any other game company you may have an objection to in regards to editing. Voice your concern, let them know what product you're referring to, and they'll be better able to see where their faults lie, and to correct it to the future. Brimstone, I may have something for your errata. Under the section of Spheres of Mysticism, it says something about Spiritualism. Yet I don't see a Spiritualism domain in either the Dragonlance sourcebook or this book. Why do they call it Spheres of Mysticism, and not Domains of Mysticism?
#12 zombiegleemax Apr 22, 2004 22:37:52	I believe that they are referred to as spheres of mysticism to retain the feel of the SAGA game......IIRC they were called spheres in the SAGA game. The domains are still domains....these spheres are just particular groupings of spells that share a common theme, much like domains....but IMHO a little more specific.
#13 eaglos Apr 23, 2004 8:39:21	Originally posted by TheRedRobedWizard Say you're a cashier at a grocery store. Hundreds or thousands of dollars pass through your hands every day. Every once in a while, you'll be off a penny here or there. The above is the copmpany's perpsective not the customers one. I am not a cashier I am a paying customer who cares about quality. Now, imagine if instead of money, you were dealing with words. Every once in a while, you'll screw up one word. Sure, most times you'll catch it. There will be times, however, that you'll screw up. Humans screw up, it's what we're best at. Yes, but the funny thing is that we never screw up when we pay for a product and companies never screw up when it comes to collecting our cash Feeling ok about people who screw up with products for which you spend money does not make sense. Ok, it's only a $30 book but what if it was your car, house, PC...? Would you still feel "ok"? In short: Humans make mistakes, if you can't deal with that, don't buy books written by Humans. Not accepted. Since someone is paying he/she must demand for the best quality. If companies cannot deal with that... --------- Anyway, enough of the theoretical conversation. Do we have any info about an official AoM errata or if at least SovPr. considers the matter ?
#14 brimstone Apr 23, 2004 9:51:28	Originally posted by WizO_Drake Brimstone, I may have something for your errata. Under the section of Spheres of Mysticism, it says something about Spiritualism. Yet I don't see a Spiritualism domain in either the Dragonlance sourcebook or this book. I'll have to look into that. There were two new mysticism domains/spheres in the AoM book...but I can't remember what they were.
#15 raistlinrox Apr 23, 2004 9:54:16	Ummm, hate to break this to you, but people's houses and cars DO have problems...well most of them do that I know of at least. You're car has never broken down? Never heard of someone's roof leaking? Now, if we can only get a D&D gaming insurance company to take care of editing errors.....
#16 Dragonhelm Apr 23, 2004 10:07:46	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst I believe that they are referred to as spheres of mysticism to retain the feel of the SAGA game......IIRC they were called spheres in the SAGA game. The domains are still domains....these spheres are just particular groupings of spells that share a common theme, much like domains....but IMHO a little more specific. Right. In AD&D, wizards used schools, clerics used spheres. When the SAGA rules for DL were made, those terms were carried over for sorcerers and mystics. In the 3e mindset, the term "schools" would have been confusing between wizards and sorcerers, so that was changed to "realms". Since cleric spheres are now domains, there was no problem using the term "spheres" Basically, the realms and spheres amount to the same concept of clerical spheres in AD&D. If you're looking for more info on this, check out the following article: Paths of Magic