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#1
zombiegleemax
Apr 18, 2004 13:31:34 Hello, all. I used to own a great deal of Dark Sun stuff, but unfortunately was stupid enough to sell it, having temporarily given up the RPing thing.

Yeah, yeah. I know. Dumb.

Anyway, I seem to recall there being city-states and such beyond the Tablelands region, with different sorcerer-kings and such. The ones that stuck in my memory were a sorcerer-king that was secretly an Avangion and Borys of Ebe's own city. Am I just hallucinating this stuff, or did it actually exist? And if it did, is there any way of getting hold of some information on it?
#2
zombiegleemax
Apr 18, 2004 14:06:28
Originally posted by Admirable_Silence
Hello, all. I used to own a great deal of Dark Sun stuff, but unfortunately was stupid enough to sell it, having temporarily given up the RPing thing.

Yeah, yeah. I know. Dumb.

Anyway, I seem to recall there being city-states and such beyond the Tablelands region, with different sorcerer-kings and such. The ones that stuck in my memory were a sorcerer-king that was secretly an Avangion and Borys of Ebe's own city. Am I just hallucinating this stuff, or did it actually exist? And if it did, is there any way of getting hold of some information on it?

Yeah, Bory's had a city called Ur-Draxa that was across the silt sea and protected the "tomb" in which Rajaat had been sealed. Um, now it's in the center of the Cerulean Storm. The Avangion I think you're right on, as well, but I haven't read any of those old source books in so long the details are missing.
#3
zombiegleemax
Apr 18, 2004 14:30:12 Ur Draxa was a huge city of splendor before the Cerulean Storm washed all the arogant sobs away. It was located in a vast valley surrounded by plains of lava. Nasty place.

The avangion ruled city is actually two different cities. The first is called Kurn and was once ruled by Keltis, Lizardman Executioner. Quite some time after the Clensing Wars, Keltis began to question the morality of having commited genocide against the lizardmen. He basically did a moral 360 and started looking for a way to redeem himself for his past as a Champion. He created the avangion metamorphosis spell and began the path towards redemption. He then built a new city in a more secluded region just beyond Kurn that, in a stroke of creative originality, is called New Kurn. New Kurn is rather peaceful, but Oronis (the SK formerly known as Keltis) and his people still try and make 'old' Kurn look like a normal city to fool the other SKs and anyone who would learn of him being an avangion. The people of Old Kurn sitll pretend to have slaves, templars, gladiatorial fights and such, but the city is basically a sham with very few people living there.

Info on Ur Draxa can be found in the Valley of Dust and Fire book, while Kurn is detailed in the revised DS core rules. There was a second major city also included in there called Eldaarich that was run by the very insane SK Draskinor.
#4
zombiegleemax
Apr 18, 2004 15:18:44
Originally posted by Mach2.5
Ur Draxa was a huge city of splendor before the Cerulean Storm washed all the arogant sobs away. It was located in a vast valley surrounded by plains of lava. Nasty place.

The avangion ruled city is actually two different cities. The first is called Kurn and was once ruled by Keltis, Lizardman Executioner. Quite some time after the Clensing Wars, Keltis began to question the morality of having commited genocide against the lizardmen. He basically did a moral 360 and started looking for a way to redeem himself for his past as a Champion. He created the avangion metamorphosis spell and began the path towards redemption. He then built a new city in a more secluded region just beyond Kurn that, in a stroke of creative originality, is called New Kurn. New Kurn is rather peaceful, but Oronis (the SK formerly known as Keltis) and his people still try and make 'old' Kurn look like a normal city to fool the other SKs and anyone who would learn of him being an avangion. The people of Old Kurn sitll pretend to have slaves, templars, gladiatorial fights and such, but the city is basically a sham with very few people living there.

Info on Ur Draxa can be found in the Valley of Dust and Fire book, while Kurn is detailed in the revised DS core rules. There was a second major city also included in there called Eldaarich that was run by the very insane SK Draskinor.

Did anyone question how Keltis got rid of his taint? I thought a defiler's taint was eternal.. how could he go from Dragon to Avangion?
#5
dawnstealer
Apr 18, 2004 16:43:29 Easy answer is this: there was no such thing as a "defiler taint" when the book was written - that was added very recently by the Dragon magazine. In my campaign, there still isn't. If there's no room for redemption, what's the point?
#6
nytcrawlr
Apr 18, 2004 16:55:50 Yeah, I like Athas and all, but there has to be room for redemption.

However small that room is.
#7
zombiegleemax
Apr 18, 2004 17:00:49 Hmmm . . . I hadn't really thought about that angle though.

A tainted avangion . . .

Perhaps we have a case for why Oronis would still be at least partially willing to teach the avangion metamorphosis spell to someone else. He's imperfect. A flawed version of what could be.

It would still be in keeping with the general theme of Athasian tragedy.
#8
zombiegleemax
Apr 18, 2004 17:13:41
Originally posted by Mach2.5
Hmmm . . . I hadn't really thought about that angle though.

A tainted avangion . . .

Perhaps we have a case for why Oronis would still be at least partially willing to teach the avangion metamorphosis spell to someone else. He's imperfect. A flawed version of what could be.

It would still be in keeping with the general theme of Athasian tragedy.

Yeah, that's an interesting take on it. One of the reasons I LIKE Athas is the general theme of tragedy.

Easy answer is this: there was no such thing as a "defiler taint" when the book was written - that was added very recently by the Dragon magazine. In my campaign, there still isn't. If there's no room for redemption, what's the point?

Well, there was always a bit of a taint wasn't there? I seem to remember there being something in the DS2 Box Set about it, I'll find it and post it later. I just remember the wicked pencil of the Defiler there. And if there wasn't a system for taint, there was always one implied! I mean, what would the drawback be of playing a defiler if there wasn't at least a taint?
#9
beyowulf
Apr 18, 2004 18:00:01 Atonement spell cast by a high level druid or cleric? Of course, convincing said cleric or druid to cast it would have been extremely difficult in itself.
#10
zombiegleemax
Apr 19, 2004 0:55:45
Originally posted by beyowulf
Atonement spell cast by a high level druid or cleric? Of course, convincing said cleric or druid to cast it would have been extremely difficult in itself.

Control Person? I mean.. He IS a 20th level Psion/20th level Wizard. ;)
#11
zombiegleemax
Apr 19, 2004 2:54:07 Wouldn't a moral 360 bring you back to where you started? :-p
#12
zombiegleemax
Apr 19, 2004 3:57:44 Errr. . . okay, 180. I blame happy hour.
#13
zombiegleemax
Apr 19, 2004 11:17:42
Originally posted by Cap'n Nick
Wouldn't a moral 360 bring you back to where you started? :-p

Ha, too funny. :bounce:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Apr 18, 2004 13:31:34	Hello, all. I used to own a great deal of Dark Sun stuff, but unfortunately was stupid enough to sell it, having temporarily given up the RPing thing. Yeah, yeah. I know. Dumb. Anyway, I seem to recall there being city-states and such beyond the Tablelands region, with different sorcerer-kings and such. The ones that stuck in my memory were a sorcerer-king that was secretly an Avangion and Borys of Ebe's own city. Am I just hallucinating this stuff, or did it actually exist? And if it did, is there any way of getting hold of some information on it?
#2 zombiegleemax Apr 18, 2004 14:06:28	Originally posted by Admirable_Silence Hello, all. I used to own a great deal of Dark Sun stuff, but unfortunately was stupid enough to sell it, having temporarily given up the RPing thing. Yeah, yeah. I know. Dumb. Anyway, I seem to recall there being city-states and such beyond the Tablelands region, with different sorcerer-kings and such. The ones that stuck in my memory were a sorcerer-king that was secretly an Avangion and Borys of Ebe's own city. Am I just hallucinating this stuff, or did it actually exist? And if it did, is there any way of getting hold of some information on it? Yeah, Bory's had a city called Ur-Draxa that was across the silt sea and protected the "tomb" in which Rajaat had been sealed. Um, now it's in the center of the Cerulean Storm. The Avangion I think you're right on, as well, but I haven't read any of those old source books in so long the details are missing.
#3 zombiegleemax Apr 18, 2004 14:30:12	Ur Draxa was a huge city of splendor before the Cerulean Storm washed all the arogant sobs away. It was located in a vast valley surrounded by plains of lava. Nasty place. The avangion ruled city is actually two different cities. The first is called Kurn and was once ruled by Keltis, Lizardman Executioner. Quite some time after the Clensing Wars, Keltis began to question the morality of having commited genocide against the lizardmen. He basically did a moral 360 and started looking for a way to redeem himself for his past as a Champion. He created the avangion metamorphosis spell and began the path towards redemption. He then built a new city in a more secluded region just beyond Kurn that, in a stroke of creative originality, is called New Kurn. New Kurn is rather peaceful, but Oronis (the SK formerly known as Keltis) and his people still try and make 'old' Kurn look like a normal city to fool the other SKs and anyone who would learn of him being an avangion. The people of Old Kurn sitll pretend to have slaves, templars, gladiatorial fights and such, but the city is basically a sham with very few people living there. Info on Ur Draxa can be found in the Valley of Dust and Fire book, while Kurn is detailed in the revised DS core rules. There was a second major city also included in there called Eldaarich that was run by the very insane SK Draskinor.
#4 zombiegleemax Apr 18, 2004 15:18:44	Originally posted by Mach2.5 Ur Draxa was a huge city of splendor before the Cerulean Storm washed all the arogant sobs away. It was located in a vast valley surrounded by plains of lava. Nasty place. The avangion ruled city is actually two different cities. The first is called Kurn and was once ruled by Keltis, Lizardman Executioner. Quite some time after the Clensing Wars, Keltis began to question the morality of having commited genocide against the lizardmen. He basically did a moral 360 and started looking for a way to redeem himself for his past as a Champion. He created the avangion metamorphosis spell and began the path towards redemption. He then built a new city in a more secluded region just beyond Kurn that, in a stroke of creative originality, is called New Kurn. New Kurn is rather peaceful, but Oronis (the SK formerly known as Keltis) and his people still try and make 'old' Kurn look like a normal city to fool the other SKs and anyone who would learn of him being an avangion. The people of Old Kurn sitll pretend to have slaves, templars, gladiatorial fights and such, but the city is basically a sham with very few people living there. Info on Ur Draxa can be found in the Valley of Dust and Fire book, while Kurn is detailed in the revised DS core rules. There was a second major city also included in there called Eldaarich that was run by the very insane SK Draskinor. Did anyone question how Keltis got rid of his taint? I thought a defiler's taint was eternal.. how could he go from Dragon to Avangion?
#5 dawnstealer Apr 18, 2004 16:43:29	Easy answer is this: there was no such thing as a "defiler taint" when the book was written - that was added very recently by the Dragon magazine. In my campaign, there still isn't. If there's no room for redemption, what's the point?
#6 nytcrawlr Apr 18, 2004 16:55:50	Yeah, I like Athas and all, but there has to be room for redemption. However small that room is.
#7 zombiegleemax Apr 18, 2004 17:00:49	Hmmm . . . I hadn't really thought about that angle though. A tainted avangion . . . Perhaps we have a case for why Oronis would still be at least partially willing to teach the avangion metamorphosis spell to someone else. He's imperfect. A flawed version of what could be. It would still be in keeping with the general theme of Athasian tragedy.
#8 zombiegleemax Apr 18, 2004 17:13:41	Originally posted by Mach2.5 Hmmm . . . I hadn't really thought about that angle though. A tainted avangion . . . Perhaps we have a case for why Oronis would still be at least partially willing to teach the avangion metamorphosis spell to someone else. He's imperfect. A flawed version of what could be. It would still be in keeping with the general theme of Athasian tragedy. Yeah, that's an interesting take on it. One of the reasons I LIKE Athas is the general theme of tragedy. Easy answer is this: there was no such thing as a "defiler taint" when the book was written - that was added very recently by the Dragon magazine. In my campaign, there still isn't. If there's no room for redemption, what's the point? Well, there was always a bit of a taint wasn't there? I seem to remember there being something in the DS2 Box Set about it, I'll find it and post it later. I just remember the wicked pencil of the Defiler there. And if there wasn't a system for taint, there was always one implied! I mean, what would the drawback be of playing a defiler if there wasn't at least a taint?
#9 beyowulf Apr 18, 2004 18:00:01	Atonement spell cast by a high level druid or cleric? Of course, convincing said cleric or druid to cast it would have been extremely difficult in itself.
#10 zombiegleemax Apr 19, 2004 0:55:45	Originally posted by beyowulf Atonement spell cast by a high level druid or cleric? Of course, convincing said cleric or druid to cast it would have been extremely difficult in itself. Control Person? I mean.. He IS a 20th level Psion/20th level Wizard. ;)
#11 zombiegleemax Apr 19, 2004 2:54:07	Wouldn't a moral 360 bring you back to where you started? :-p
#12 zombiegleemax Apr 19, 2004 3:57:44	Errr. . . okay, 180. I blame happy hour.
#13 zombiegleemax Apr 19, 2004 11:17:42	Originally posted by Cap'n Nick Wouldn't a moral 360 bring you back to where you started? :-p Ha, too funny. :bounce: