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#1 baron_the_curse Apr 19, 2004 13:47:26	I’ve game for so long I feel like a jackass asking this question but the truth be told I’ve yet to master all of 3.5 do to time restrictions on my gaming. Are red dragons immune to the fiery Breath Weapon of gold dragons and vice versa? I’m probably thinking of the novels but I remember dragons that use the same energy type breath weapons hurting one another in combat.
#2 The_White_Sorcerer Apr 19, 2004 14:08:21	Gold dragon breath deals fire damage. Red dragons are immune to fire damage. Red dragons are immune to gold dragon breath. And vice versa.
#3 cam_banks Apr 19, 2004 14:32:30	Originally posted by Baron the Curse Are red dragons immune to the fiery Breath Weapon of gold dragons and vice versa? I’m probably thinking of the novels but I remember dragons that use the same energy type breath weapons hurting one another in combat. Ember's flame had a significant effect on Flamestrike, but that would no longer be the case for 3rd edition Dragonlance. At some points, it's been stated that on Krynn, dragons can affect each other with their breath weapons (red can hurt red or brass or gold, for example) but that's rendered moot by the way energy resistance and immunities work. Cheers, Cam
#4 brimstone Apr 19, 2004 14:50:16	Originally posted by Cam Banks At some points, it's been stated that on Krynn, dragons can affect each other with their breath weapons (red can hurt red or brass or gold, for example) The Dragons I think the golds were immune to the red weapons and vice versa. Originally posted by Cam Banks But that's rendered moot by the way energy resistance and immunities work. Unless they age beyond Great Wyrm, at which point all their natural weapons become epic. (or does that not matter?) What about those feats I've heard talk about in the Draconomicon that allows the dragons to change the energy type of their breath weapons? (kinda like what Mina did with Skie's lightning bolt...turning it into negative energy type)
#5 cam_banks Apr 19, 2004 15:01:15	Originally posted by Brimstone Unless they age beyond Great Wyrm, at which point all their natural weapons become epic. (or does that not matter?) Nope. An advanced dragon's breath weapons still deal the same kind of energy, and if you're immune to it, you're immune to it. What about those feats I've heard talk about in the Draconomicon that allows the dragons to change the energy type of their breath weapons? (kinda like what Mina did with Skie's lightning bolt...turning it into negative energy type) Sure, that'd work. It would be spectacularly rare, though. Cheers, Cam
#6 brimstone Apr 19, 2004 15:06:54	Originally posted by Cam Banks Sure, that'd work. It would be spectacularly rare, though. Well...forget the feats...but isn't that specific spell that Mina used detailed in the AoM? I wouldn't think it'd be too hard for a dragon to learn how to cast it (unless it was specifically a Devine spell only, I can't remember...I just remember reading it and thinking, "Ah, so that's what Mina did.")
#7 baron_the_curse Apr 19, 2004 17:49:51	So under the new 3.5 rules we can assume the Dragon Wars where very brutal ordeals with gold and reds having no choice but to go at each other with tooth and claw. I can see that since it was said that torrents of blood rain down from such battles. Still for the sake of some continuity I might make an exception for Krynn dragons. Thanks for the help guys.
#8 Nived Apr 19, 2004 19:42:26	Just say they have that spell (or is it a feat, I only glaced throught the book) in the Draconomicon that allows a Dragon to alter breath damage type.
#9 dragontooth Apr 19, 2004 22:04:54	Originally posted by Baron the Curse So under the new 3.5 rules we can assume the Dragon Wars where very brutal ordeals with gold and reds having no choice but to go at each other with tooth and claw. I can see that since it was said that torrents of blood rain down from such battles. Still for the sake of some continuity I might make an exception for Krynn dragons. Thanks for the help guys. Yes and magic as well. The spell Mina used is called Divine Retribution 9th lvl Cleric spell.
#10 taskr36 Apr 19, 2004 23:56:31	In 1st Edition, and possibly 2nd D&D Dragons were not immune to the breath weapons of other dragons. As such, novels and modules back then had Gold and Red dragons breathing fire on one another and doing a significant amount of damage. Now the golds and reds are completely immune to fire in 3rd edition regardless of it's source. Newer books show that, despite the fact that it was completely different in the older books.
#11 darthsylver Apr 20, 2004 7:17:04	Let's not forget that in "Dalamar the Dark" dalamar killed a blue with a lightning bolt. Now according to 3E rules this could not have happened unless Dalamar used a feat like energy substitution.