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So, Iuz is a god, right?

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#1
zombiegleemax
Apr 24, 2004 10:51:52 And he lives on Oerth?

This got me thinking: Why doesn't he seem to take a more direct role in smiting his various enemies? After all, it seems like King Belvor of Furyondy couldn't do a thing about it if Iuz decided to use his godly powers to teleport into his bedchamber one evening and rip him to shreds. The same would go for any other ruler or prominent person who was standing in the way of his conquests. So why doesn't Iuz do it? Instead, it seems like he just sits on his throne in Doraaka and cackles to himself all day, which might be fun, but doesn't seem very productive in a conquering the world sense.
#2
eric_anondson
Apr 24, 2004 11:27:49 Maybe because Iuz is a player in Abyssal politics with his father (Graz'zt), and lover (Zuggtmoy). Maybe he is involved in disputes (whether on Oerth or not) with others who aren't below him, like Vecna or St. Cuthbert. Maybe because ruling an empire of chaos, and making sure it doesn't collapse underneath its own self, is a serious daily distraction. Maybe the Egg of Coot, just sitting silently on the sidelines for now, is waiting for Iuz to make another stupid mistake of leaving his empire again for a personal vendetta to pounce... and Iuz know it.

Even demigods can have too many pokers in the fire...

Regards,
Eric Anondson
#3
Greyson
Apr 24, 2004 11:50:23 Maybe Iuz's time is up. I like all of the issues pressing in on Iuz that Eric asserted above. And, perhaps it is time that Iuz was at long last overwhelmed by the dangers surrounding him.

Then we can make room for a new and fresh enemy of good to step into the vacuum. Perhaps the Unnameable One asserts himself and his truly evil cohorts of the Horned Society. They are an interesting cabal to explore and develop.

The Scarlet Brotherhood can get the same treatment.

Just an idea.
#4
zombiegleemax
Apr 24, 2004 12:39:43 Hey all,

I think it's important to remember that Iuz has been trapped by mortals. Hatred (and fear) of potential imprisonment may make him wary of leaving Dorakaa. Prior to the Flight of Fiends, Iuz may have been required to remain in Dorakaa due to the Abyssal Gates his power maintained. Alternatively, the Old One's power may be significantly tied to the Land of Iuz. Venturing too far afield may be dangerous to him in ways difficult to comprehend by mere mortals...
#5
cwslyclgh
Apr 24, 2004 13:48:34 Also thre s the fact that him running around the flannaes bumping off the mortals that displease him might make the gods those mortals worship decide to take action against him... Iuz would be S.O.L. if Heironeous showed up to lay the smack down on his hairy butt.
#6
Greyson
Apr 24, 2004 14:30:17
Originally posted by cwslyclgh Also thre s the fact that him running around the flannaes bumping off the mortals that displease him might make the gods those mortals worship decide to take action against him...

That is a really good point, Wes. Even though Iuz, Wastri, etc, are "allowed" to tarry on the Prime Material Plane, I think your idea is a strong reason why these demi-gods take tentative steps whilst among mortals.

I can definitely see that.
#7
lincoln_hills
Apr 24, 2004 17:05:12 As I understand it, all the gods have a "non-intervention clause" in place on Oerth and points surrounding. I strongly suspect that this divine pact - honored even by chaotic evil deities - has something to do with the fact that Tharizdun is imprisoned somewhere on one of Oerth's coterminous planes.
And if that's the reason, I'd bet the natives (Wastri, Zagyg, the Earth Dragon, et. al.) are even MORE careful about such displays of power than gods who dwell elsewhere. Tamper with reality too much, or too often, and you might unbind that ancient evil.
#8
mortellan
Apr 24, 2004 19:28:57 Good points all. Also being that Iuz has the portfolio of Oppression, Deceit and Pain I think directly destroying his foes is counter to his ethos. He draws his godly vigor from causing oppression and pain via his ever expanding empire and his clerics. His feats of deceit are many and he displayed that he will go outside his lands to do this when he posed as Vatun to the barbarians of Thillonria, thereby inciting them to war.
#9
avfanatic
Apr 25, 2004 23:07:44 Demigods have no avatars, so Iuz and Wastri exist on only the Prime. And are likely to be more cautious than a deity who can send avatars after enemies. And Iuz has a lot on his plate so directing his energies solely against a singular group or person could be considered a misallocation of his power. Besides that's what lackeys are for =)
#10
Halberkill
Apr 26, 2004 11:47:51 There is also the point thay maybe Iuz needs the King of Furyondy as a hate focus to get the disparate forces in his empire to work together. Kinda like Bush does with Saddam or Osama, to keep himself in power.

Halber
#11
eric_anondson
Apr 26, 2004 16:40:10
Originally posted by Halberkill
Kinda like Bush does with Saddam or Osama, to keep himself in power.

Oh sheesh.
#12
lincoln_hills
Apr 27, 2004 17:47:03 (Let's stay WELL away from any mention of modern political situations - that's how threads get Smote from Above.)

Of course, when other rulers make a particular realm or race the focus of their people's anger/resentment, it's called "demonizing" the adversary.

D'you suppose Iuz "angelizes" Furyondans?

"We must destroy the Furyondans! Always they are helping little old ladies across the road! Also candy all babies are given! The destruction of deadly diseases is an affront to our proud heritage! No more of the saying thank you!"

(Notice that I did say MODERN political situations...)
#13
zombiegleemax
Apr 27, 2004 20:03:06 lol :D

I doubt Iuz would "angelize" his enemies, but he would probably present them as weak, and unfit to live. Maybe he styles himself as a dark, wicked version of Pholtus or Kord.
-wn
#14
mortellan
Apr 28, 2004 2:57:15
I doubt Iuz would "angelize" his enemies, but he would probably present them as weak, and unfit to live. Maybe he styles himself as a dark, wicked version of Pholtus or Kord.

Yeah or as the god of oppression, pain and deceit he would 'spin' the suffering and bleak life in his land as being Furyondy's fault. Like they are holding them back from being a great empire.

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#1 zombiegleemax Apr 24, 2004 10:51:52	And he lives on Oerth? This got me thinking: Why doesn't he seem to take a more direct role in smiting his various enemies? After all, it seems like King Belvor of Furyondy couldn't do a thing about it if Iuz decided to use his godly powers to teleport into his bedchamber one evening and rip him to shreds. The same would go for any other ruler or prominent person who was standing in the way of his conquests. So why doesn't Iuz do it? Instead, it seems like he just sits on his throne in Doraaka and cackles to himself all day, which might be fun, but doesn't seem very productive in a conquering the world sense.
#2 eric_anondson Apr 24, 2004 11:27:49	Maybe because Iuz is a player in Abyssal politics with his father (Graz'zt), and lover (Zuggtmoy). Maybe he is involved in disputes (whether on Oerth or not) with others who aren't below him, like Vecna or St. Cuthbert. Maybe because ruling an empire of chaos, and making sure it doesn't collapse underneath its own self, is a serious daily distraction. Maybe the Egg of Coot, just sitting silently on the sidelines for now, is waiting for Iuz to make another stupid mistake of leaving his empire again for a personal vendetta to pounce... and Iuz know it. Even demigods can have too many pokers in the fire... Regards, Eric Anondson
#3 Greyson Apr 24, 2004 11:50:23	Maybe Iuz's time is up. I like all of the issues pressing in on Iuz that Eric asserted above. And, perhaps it is time that Iuz was at long last overwhelmed by the dangers surrounding him. Then we can make room for a new and fresh enemy of good to step into the vacuum. Perhaps the Unnameable One asserts himself and his truly evil cohorts of the Horned Society. They are an interesting cabal to explore and develop. The Scarlet Brotherhood can get the same treatment. Just an idea.
#4 zombiegleemax Apr 24, 2004 12:39:43	Hey all, I think it's important to remember that Iuz has been trapped by mortals. Hatred (and fear) of potential imprisonment may make him wary of leaving Dorakaa. Prior to the Flight of Fiends, Iuz may have been required to remain in Dorakaa due to the Abyssal Gates his power maintained. Alternatively, the Old One's power may be significantly tied to the Land of Iuz. Venturing too far afield may be dangerous to him in ways difficult to comprehend by mere mortals...
#5 cwslyclgh Apr 24, 2004 13:48:34	Also thre s the fact that him running around the flannaes bumping off the mortals that displease him might make the gods those mortals worship decide to take action against him... Iuz would be S.O.L. if Heironeous showed up to lay the smack down on his hairy butt.
#6 Greyson Apr 24, 2004 14:30:17	Originally posted by cwslyclgh Also thre s the fact that him running around the flannaes bumping off the mortals that displease him might make the gods those mortals worship decide to take action against him... That is a really good point, Wes. Even though Iuz, Wastri, etc, are "allowed" to tarry on the Prime Material Plane, I think your idea is a strong reason why these demi-gods take tentative steps whilst among mortals. I can definitely see that.
#7 lincoln_hills Apr 24, 2004 17:05:12	As I understand it, all the gods have a "non-intervention clause" in place on Oerth and points surrounding. I strongly suspect that this divine pact - honored even by chaotic evil deities - has something to do with the fact that Tharizdun is imprisoned somewhere on one of Oerth's coterminous planes. And if that's the reason, I'd bet the natives (Wastri, Zagyg, the Earth Dragon, et. al.) are even MORE careful about such displays of power than gods who dwell elsewhere. Tamper with reality too much, or too often, and you might unbind that ancient evil.
#8 mortellan Apr 24, 2004 19:28:57	Good points all. Also being that Iuz has the portfolio of Oppression, Deceit and Pain I think directly destroying his foes is counter to his ethos. He draws his godly vigor from causing oppression and pain via his ever expanding empire and his clerics. His feats of deceit are many and he displayed that he will go outside his lands to do this when he posed as Vatun to the barbarians of Thillonria, thereby inciting them to war.
#9 avfanatic Apr 25, 2004 23:07:44	Demigods have no avatars, so Iuz and Wastri exist on only the Prime. And are likely to be more cautious than a deity who can send avatars after enemies. And Iuz has a lot on his plate so directing his energies solely against a singular group or person could be considered a misallocation of his power. Besides that's what lackeys are for =)
#10 Halberkill Apr 26, 2004 11:47:51	There is also the point thay maybe Iuz needs the King of Furyondy as a hate focus to get the disparate forces in his empire to work together. Kinda like Bush does with Saddam or Osama, to keep himself in power. Halber
#11 eric_anondson Apr 26, 2004 16:40:10	Originally posted by Halberkill Kinda like Bush does with Saddam or Osama, to keep himself in power. Oh sheesh.
#12 lincoln_hills Apr 27, 2004 17:47:03	(Let's stay WELL away from any mention of modern political situations - that's how threads get Smote from Above.) Of course, when other rulers make a particular realm or race the focus of their people's anger/resentment, it's called "demonizing" the adversary. D'you suppose Iuz "angelizes" Furyondans? "We must destroy the Furyondans! Always they are helping little old ladies across the road! Also candy all babies are given! The destruction of deadly diseases is an affront to our proud heritage! No more of the saying thank you!" (Notice that I did say MODERN political situations...)
#13 zombiegleemax Apr 27, 2004 20:03:06	lol :D I doubt Iuz would "angelize" his enemies, but he would probably present them as weak, and unfit to live. Maybe he styles himself as a dark, wicked version of Pholtus or Kord. -wn
#14 mortellan Apr 28, 2004 2:57:15	I doubt Iuz would "angelize" his enemies, but he would probably present them as weak, and unfit to live. Maybe he styles himself as a dark, wicked version of Pholtus or Kord. Yeah or as the god of oppression, pain and deceit he would 'spin' the suffering and bleak life in his land as being Furyondy's fault. Like they are holding them back from being a great empire.