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#1 Shemeska_the_Marauder Apr 28, 2004 1:43:54	alternate cover wierdness? I dunno exactly how long this link will stay valid since it was a gif snagged off of google that the original host site no longer hosts... However from a blurry image in the top left of that link there's a cover of what is clearly a PS book, but not one that I'm familiar with... This raised my 'lothy hackles to say the least. So, which of you cutters is in for a little reward from the king of the crosstrade herself for giving me the dark on this? I suspect the picture is either filler art for the actual eventual cover of a book, or there was an alternate cover in the release country of the host site. Somewhere east asian it looks like, but I'm not entirely sure exactly where. Anyone have any ideas on this little quandry?
#2 Ornum Apr 28, 2004 1:58:04	Unless I'm mistaken, the title on the cover says Monstrous Compendium Appendix III, although I'm unsure about the word Appendix. I just saved the pic and enlarged it. So I would say that it was just a pre-release concept art pic. If you look closely you'll see that the red, 4-armed creature on the front is a Xill, and I believe that the black, ball-like creature is a Xeg-Yi, but I'm not sure about that.
#3 zombiegleemax Apr 28, 2004 8:06:00	I can verify for you that that IS indeed the Planescape MC Appendix III- the date and the product number on the image match what he or she had on their main page. I can't get at the review itself, since for whatever reason, the Wayback Machine didn't keep a copy of the Reviews subpage, but I can at least give you a definitive identification. I wonder if any other books have alternate covers overseas? Meanwhile, an update on the Dispater query of a while back (yes, I'm THAT tenacious)... I've managed to get my hand on the old 2e Legends and Lore, and he isn't there either. It may be in the old 1st Edition Dieties and Demigods (back when it still had Cthulhu in there), but I can't verify that. If it's not in there, then Kain and Orguth were either misremembering or just flat out making stuff up... Sorry to turn up without anything again..
#4 Shemeska_the_Marauder Apr 28, 2004 9:33:51	He's not in the 1e D&DG, the one w/ Cthulhu because I've got that one and I looked. My guess? The person who made the claim was either seriously misremembering, or blowing smoke out of their [insert oriface]. But since when would people misrepresent something on a messageboard to score points? Neeeever. ;)
#5 Ornum Apr 28, 2004 9:41:55	Although I'm unaware of the exact question that I'm answering here, there have only been three instances in 1st and 2nd edition where Dispater had any stats in print (which is probably me just repeating what is already known). In 1st Edition, he was in Monster Manual I, and in 2e he was in Dragon Magazine #223 and in (of course) Guide to Hell. What post are you talking about?
#6 zombiegleemax Apr 28, 2004 9:48:15	http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=214873
#7 Ornum Apr 28, 2004 11:31:28	As far as Dispater is concerned, I don't think that there ever was a mention of him being the only lord of the second layer of Baator, but it doesn't sound like it's that much of a stretch. He is one of the oldest lords, but that doens't mean much. Also, I don't think that the pic from the link Shemeska provided is an alternate cover from overseas. I think that it was just a concept pic of the cover. If you look at some of the old Dragon and Dungeon magazines, you'll see adverisements of Planescape products before they were actually released, and almost none of the covers ended up looking like that. Just to give you some examples of conceptual cover art (this will only be handy if you actually have the issues that I'm mentioning): Dragon #204, page 9 (the Planescape fold-out) - Alternate covers to both Monstrous Compendium I and Eternal Boundary Dragon #205, page 1 - Alternate cover for the Planescape Setting (notice that even the face on the symbol for the Lady of Pain is different) Dragon #221, page 23 - Alternate cover for Harbinger House (Nari's quite different, although in the same pose) This Dragon also has a page (#111) with TSR merchandise that included a Planescape sweatshirt and the symbol of the Lady as a belt buckle Dragon #251, page 19 - Alternate cover for A Guide to the Ethereal Plane (stayed pretty much the same) Dragon #253, page 21 - Alternate cover for The Inner Planes Dungeon #52, page 1 - Alternate cover for Fires of Dis If you have any issues of Dragon or Dungeon made when Planescape was still being supported, look through them and you'll probably see some more.
#8 gray_richardson May 01, 2004 2:56:57	Although I'm unaware of the exact question that I'm answering here, there have only been three instances in 1st and 2nd edition where Dispater had any stats in print (which is probably me just repeating what is already known). In 1st Edition, he was in Monster Manual I, and in 2e he was in Dragon Magazine #223 and in (of course) Guide to Hell. I think you are right. I checked back in my old original D&D books looking for Devils, and all that I could find were the Demons which were first introduced in Supplement III, Eldritch Wizardry. There were 6 types of demons, labeled Type I through Type VI (they did not have names back then.) And 2 of the Demon Princes were named and had write-ups: Orcus & Demogorgon. That is the earliest mention of the Demons & Demon Princes that I am aware of--published back in 1976. The Devils did not appear until the 1st AD&D Monster Manual to the best of my knowledge.