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Dragon Rage question

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#1
zombiegleemax
Apr 29, 2004 19:33:01 Reading up on the metamorphosis and got a questin. At the 29th level stage it says the end of the dragon rage arrives at the end of the experience level. Does this mean it ends once one reaches the final stage, or at some time before? There was a typo that kinda implied that the rage ended at the end of 27th level, too. so which is it?
#2
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Apr 29, 2004 20:51:03 I took it to be that there would be a (rather high) will save when it starts (at level 7, IIRC - or my write'up's stage 3). I then had a timeframe where the DC would slowly lower, as the dragon either fails or succeeds in the save. However, a dragon reaching the final stage who still is fighting with the will save, still can be rampaging around.
#3
zombiegleemax
Apr 29, 2004 22:22:23 Begins at original stage 5 actually. What Nibenay was waiting at 24 for. Something I was thinking was that while a dragon is raging maybe the additional energy it defiles makes it gain xp faster? I realize this is pretty much totally against balance and everything . . . I dunno, I was just thinking that the whole raging and defilng everything that isn't directly part of the dragon's plans might be like really tasty to the dragon? or something that makes the temptation to defile just so tasty to the dragon that in its ragin mind . . .

I dunno, I guess a raging dragon can just run out across the landscape killing everything in sight, and that accumulation of xp will eventually get it out of the phase.
#4
zombiegleemax
Apr 29, 2004 22:26:24 heh. maybe it lasts for (Con bonus) levels.
#5
dawnstealer
Apr 30, 2004 7:55:01 This is something that's bothered me since '92 (when DKs first came out). This was what I came up with. Basically, the rage just means that the Dragon is far more likely to do things that they would not normally do; far more likely to fly off the handle and kill things or drain their life. Their desire to kill will probably be overwhelming most of the time, but they will have moments of lucidity where they will be able to advance their plans or "follow their dreams." I figure that rage does not mean that they just randomly drain everything around them, although that would go a long way to explaining why the city-states are so isolated and why Athas is so thoroughly drained.
#6
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Apr 30, 2004 11:08:34
Originally posted by Dawnstealer
This is something that's bothered me since '92 (when DKs first came out). This was what I came up with. Basically, the rage just means that the Dragon is far more likely to do things that they would not normally do; far more likely to fly off the handle and kill things or drain their life. Their desire to kill will probably be overwhelming most of the time, but they will have moments of lucidity where they will be able to advance their plans or "follow their dreams." I figure that rage does not mean that they just randomly drain everything around them, although that would go a long way to explaining why the city-states are so isolated and why Athas is so thoroughly drained.

Similar to the way I see it. I see it as more of a loss of self control - they cannot control what their desires lead them to, and they have a growing hunger for life energy (I've considered including a sort of sustenance on such for Dragons), and are already usually mad in a lust for power. Somewhere in there, the mind of the Dragon still kinda directs it, but the emotional overload, and the break down of their self control, makes them "go off the handle" and slaughter almost everything in their paths - plant or animal, unless it specificalluy furthers their immediate (or maybe long-term) goals to keep them around. They sort of de-evolve for a bit, reverting to an animalistic hunger, possibly with the inclusion of foreign instincts (that from the dragon form) coming to the forefront, as they mentally struggle to take control of themselves completely once again.

but basically, like what Dawn said, it isn't random slaughter, there actually is a purpose behind it, and they do have some mediocre of control there somewhere, even if it is simply making the decision to go left instead of right.

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#1 zombiegleemax Apr 29, 2004 19:33:01	Reading up on the metamorphosis and got a questin. At the 29th level stage it says the end of the dragon rage arrives at the end of the experience level. Does this mean it ends once one reaches the final stage, or at some time before? There was a typo that kinda implied that the rage ended at the end of 27th level, too. so which is it?
#2 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Apr 29, 2004 20:51:03	I took it to be that there would be a (rather high) will save when it starts (at level 7, IIRC - or my write'up's stage 3). I then had a timeframe where the DC would slowly lower, as the dragon either fails or succeeds in the save. However, a dragon reaching the final stage who still is fighting with the will save, still can be rampaging around.
#3 zombiegleemax Apr 29, 2004 22:22:23	Begins at original stage 5 actually. What Nibenay was waiting at 24 for. Something I was thinking was that while a dragon is raging maybe the additional energy it defiles makes it gain xp faster? I realize this is pretty much totally against balance and everything . . . I dunno, I was just thinking that the whole raging and defilng everything that isn't directly part of the dragon's plans might be like really tasty to the dragon? or something that makes the temptation to defile just so tasty to the dragon that in its ragin mind . . . I dunno, I guess a raging dragon can just run out across the landscape killing everything in sight, and that accumulation of xp will eventually get it out of the phase.
#4 zombiegleemax Apr 29, 2004 22:26:24	heh. maybe it lasts for (Con bonus) levels.
#5 dawnstealer Apr 30, 2004 7:55:01	This is something that's bothered me since '92 (when DKs first came out). This was what I came up with. Basically, the rage just means that the Dragon is far more likely to do things that they would not normally do; far more likely to fly off the handle and kill things or drain their life. Their desire to kill will probably be overwhelming most of the time, but they will have moments of lucidity where they will be able to advance their plans or "follow their dreams." I figure that rage does not mean that they just randomly drain everything around them, although that would go a long way to explaining why the city-states are so isolated and why Athas is so thoroughly drained.
#6 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Apr 30, 2004 11:08:34	Originally posted by Dawnstealer This is something that's bothered me since '92 (when DKs first came out). This was what I came up with. Basically, the rage just means that the Dragon is far more likely to do things that they would not normally do; far more likely to fly off the handle and kill things or drain their life. Their desire to kill will probably be overwhelming most of the time, but they will have moments of lucidity where they will be able to advance their plans or "follow their dreams." I figure that rage does not mean that they just randomly drain everything around them, although that would go a long way to explaining why the city-states are so isolated and why Athas is so thoroughly drained. Similar to the way I see it. I see it as more of a loss of self control - they cannot control what their desires lead them to, and they have a growing hunger for life energy (I've considered including a sort of sustenance on such for Dragons), and are already usually mad in a lust for power. Somewhere in there, the mind of the Dragon still kinda directs it, but the emotional overload, and the break down of their self control, makes them "go off the handle" and slaughter almost everything in their paths - plant or animal, unless it specificalluy furthers their immediate (or maybe long-term) goals to keep them around. They sort of de-evolve for a bit, reverting to an animalistic hunger, possibly with the inclusion of foreign instincts (that from the dragon form) coming to the forefront, as they mentally struggle to take control of themselves completely once again. but basically, like what Dawn said, it isn't random slaughter, there actually is a purpose behind it, and they do have some mediocre of control there somewhere, even if it is simply making the decision to go left instead of right.