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#1
zombiegleemax
May 03, 2004 14:45:35 Has anyone ever used one of these in their Dragonlance campaign ?

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#2
Nived
May 03, 2004 15:34:04 I haven't. While there have been incidentsw on love between Dragon and humanoids, I just dont think in this setting they can have children (this makes their love all the more tragic).

From a purely gamer point of view, we have Draconians of every color, and dragonspawn, Dragonlance doesn't really have need of half dragons running around.

From a flavor standpoint Draconians and yes even Dragonspawn at least have a history with the setting that half-dragons just don't have.

Once again I'm not saying you can't or you shouldn't, I just wouldn't.
#3
zombiegleemax
May 03, 2004 15:36:19 Are any of your PC's Draconian ?

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#4
Nived
May 03, 2004 15:50:24 Yes, currently my group has a Chaotic Neutral Kapak in the group, he's a runaway from Teyr because he thought his parents (and everyone else in the city really) was being too over protective and smothering him. He's going for a ranger/rogue multiclass.
#5
zombiegleemax
May 03, 2004 16:04:12 LoL@Run away draconians.

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#6
Nived
May 03, 2004 16:16:39 I don't know if you've read Draconian Measures but it makes sense, Draconians are sorta overprotective of their children. Why not, they thought they were going to die as a race, every child is a blessing.

*Edit* What's funny is the Kapak is only 8 years old but everyone thinks he's a veteran of the War of the Lance.
#7
zombiegleemax
May 03, 2004 16:25:02 Nah I never read it.

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#8
zombiegleemax
May 03, 2004 22:16:51 I don't know about 3 or 3.5 edition, but in AD&D, they allowed them. They were, of course, extremely rare. The rules for them were posted on the TSR site (yeah, old! lol) My post popular character in my group was a half-silver, half-elf. The thing was, in DL, the characters still look like their mortal parent, but would have some alternate colouring based on the dragon parent.

I.E. My character had Silver Hair and Silver Iris' because her Mom was a Silver. Her Dad was a Qualinesti.

I found the info, it was posted in a Dragon Magazinein 1994 (#206)

Here are the stats, there is more info on the site though: http://www.angelfire.com/ky3/races/halfdragon.html

Half-Silver, Krynnish

Worlds: DL.

Appearance: Normal human, half-elven, or elven body (as per mother's race) with silver hair and silver irises.

Ability-score modifiers: +1 to all rolls for human, half-elven, or elven ability scores.

Ability-score ranges: As per mother's race.

Starting age (regardless of parentage or appearance): 15+1d6.

Alignment tendency: Lawful good.

Allowable classes (regardless of parentage or appearance): Cleric--Holy Orders (14), fighter (15), ranger (17), specialist wizard--High Sorcery (17), thief (14).

Discretionary abilities: Nil.

Fixed abilities: Ability to understand any intelligent communication within 5 feet radius and to communicate in previously unknown languages with 75% accuracy.
#9
talinthas
May 03, 2004 22:44:08 Weis has gone on record as saying that Half Dragons don't exist on krynn.
#10
zombiegleemax
May 03, 2004 23:12:12 That is true....she has.....ANd I like it as an official stance...DM's decisions after that to add it are cool.....but I like the official stance because there are just so many drgon person races already.
#11
elthbert
May 04, 2004 0:34:50 I agree half dragons would be redundant on Krynn plus there has to be some room left for humans and such and of course if humans and dragons coud mate then Huma wouldn't have had to make such an unpleasent choice. I think no half dragons is the only sensable conclusionfrom reading the books.
#12
maladaar
May 04, 2004 1:17:11 While Weis has gone "on record" so to speak to officially state that half-dragons do not exist in Krynn. Ultimately it is up to the DM to decide what they want to have in their campaign.

There definitely is a wide variety of dragon-type humanoids in DL, which I could understand the thinking of why add another. The point being is if they are used VERY sparingly I personally don't see the harm.

A long time ago, in another age (during the late days of 1e and possibly the early days of 2e), I ran a DL adventure where the PCs ran into a drow and a half-orc. I know that "officially" they do not exist, but also we have never seen a full map of the entire planet of Krynn. It was a story that revolved around a ship being lost at sea and shipwrecking on Southern Ergoth. The expressions of the players faces when I described an elf with jet black skin and white hair was priceless. As the PCs obviously never seen one before.

Point is, if you like it.....then add it. Don't be so worried about what is "official" unless you are going to a gaming convention that adheres to strict rules.
#13
talinthas
May 04, 2004 1:43:39 heh. one of the major arcs early in my campaign involved a kender who was descended from a half blue dragon on his mom's side, and a half bronze on his dad's, combining to form a half shadow (for neutrality) dragon/kender =)

I love em, but not for official stuff =)
#14
zombiegleemax
May 04, 2004 7:21:07
Originally posted by Maladaar

A long time ago, in another age (during the late days of 1e and possibly the early days of 2e), I ran a DL adventure where the PCs ran into a drow and a half-orc. I know that "officially" they do not exist, but also we have never seen a full map of the entire planet of Krynn.

Actually there is a map of the entire planet in the Otherlands Supplement. Whole darn planet....But that doesnt mean that the PC's know that...;)
#15
hatrel
May 04, 2004 11:13:41 Of course, there is technically no good Dragonish races. Granted, the Draconians come from good dragon eggs, but they are normally evil, or maybe neutral. I guess that they COULD be good, just not normal. I suppose that the Good Dragons could have tried to create a version of the Spawn, therefore creating a good, dragon-type playable race.

Unsure though...
#16
Dragonhelm
May 04, 2004 11:36:55
Originally posted by Hatrel
Granted, the Draconians come from good dragon eggs, but they are normally evil, or maybe neutral. I guess that they COULD be good, just not normal.

Ah, you need to check out the Noble Draconians from the Bestiary of Krynn!
#17
Nived
May 04, 2004 11:42:28 True, there are the naturally good Noble Dracononians, but let us not forget that Draconians, espesially those in Teyr have been sliding towards neutral, and there is the occational 'Good throwback'
#18
iltharanos
May 04, 2004 17:03:32
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
Actually there is a map of the entire planet in the Otherlands Supplement. Whole darn planet....But that doesnt mean that the PC's know that...;)

Sure it's a map of the entire planet, a map with huge blank white spaces where you can dump entire continents. ;)
#19
zombiegleemax
May 04, 2004 18:57:14 You have Blank white spaces on yours?

(oddly enough Im not sure whether you are joking....lol)
#20
iltharanos
May 04, 2004 21:50:21
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
You have Blank white spaces on yours?

(oddly enough Im not sure whether you are joking....lol)

Nah, I'm not joking.

By blank spaces i mean the faded white areas depicted north of Ansalon and south of Taladas, similar to how medieval European maps depicted unknown/unmapped areas. So while the map may show the entire world of Krynn, it does, but yet doesn't show everything. There are plenty of "open" spaces for unknown lands to be dropped.
#21
maladaar
May 04, 2004 23:42:14 I do have the Otherlands supplement and I didn't recall a complete map of Krynn (meaning locations of all continents with what creatures populate it).

I am a firm believer of taking what you like and developing from there. The PCs definitely would not know what is on those continents (or possibly even if any of continents existed).
#22
zombiegleemax
May 05, 2004 0:38:45 Well...I have the online version from WotC's homepage....There arent any white spaces on my world map....Thats kinda weird....THe one I refer to is on page 98. Where is the one you are talking about? This is weird...
#23
maladaar
May 05, 2004 0:59:50 I am at work so I will not be able to check Otherlands until tomorrow. I will let you know what I find.

When we were playing though, at the time I had the PCs run into a drow, that product WAS NOT yet released.

I am talking about the days when the DL hardcover book came out, before the Tales of the Lance boxed set was released.
#24
iltharanos
May 05, 2004 14:24:10
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
Well...I have the online version from WotC's homepage....There arent any white spaces on my world map....Thats kinda weird....THe one I refer to is on page 98. Where is the one you are talking about? This is weird...

Umm. Unless I've gone color blind and noone has pointed it out to me, there are faded white spaces on that online world map. Look at the world map again. The sea is (obviously) colored blue, but yet the areas north of Ansalon and south of Taladas are not blue in color and are instead faded white spaces (and I'm not talking about the polar ice caps). To me these white spaces indicate unknown/unexplored/unmapped areas.
#25
zombiegleemax
May 05, 2004 15:02:28 I see now what you mean....I thought you meant just flat out white space on the map......I see the fading now....I never took it to mean that. Interesting and cool....Thanks Iltharanos
#26
iltharanos
May 05, 2004 17:20:02
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
I see now what you mean....I thought you meant just flat out white space on the map......I see the fading now....I never took it to mean that. Interesting and cool....Thanks Iltharanos

Hehe. I'm always of the viewpoint that campaign worlds should always have room to expand ... hence the fading white areas equaling unexplored areas.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax May 03, 2004 14:45:35	Has anyone ever used one of these in their Dragonlance campaign ? ~~~
#2 Nived May 03, 2004 15:34:04	I haven't. While there have been incidentsw on love between Dragon and humanoids, I just dont think in this setting they can have children (this makes their love all the more tragic). From a purely gamer point of view, we have Draconians of every color, and dragonspawn, Dragonlance doesn't really have need of half dragons running around. From a flavor standpoint Draconians and yes even Dragonspawn at least have a history with the setting that half-dragons just don't have. Once again I'm not saying you can't or you shouldn't, I just wouldn't.
#3 zombiegleemax May 03, 2004 15:36:19	Are any of your PC's Draconian ? ~~~
#4 Nived May 03, 2004 15:50:24	Yes, currently my group has a Chaotic Neutral Kapak in the group, he's a runaway from Teyr because he thought his parents (and everyone else in the city really) was being too over protective and smothering him. He's going for a ranger/rogue multiclass.
#5 zombiegleemax May 03, 2004 16:04:12	LoL@Run away draconians. ~~~
#6 Nived May 03, 2004 16:16:39	I don't know if you've read Draconian Measures but it makes sense, Draconians are sorta overprotective of their children. Why not, they thought they were going to die as a race, every child is a blessing. Edit What's funny is the Kapak is only 8 years old but everyone thinks he's a veteran of the War of the Lance.
#7 zombiegleemax May 03, 2004 16:25:02	Nah I never read it. ~~~
#8 zombiegleemax May 03, 2004 22:16:51	I don't know about 3 or 3.5 edition, but in AD&D, they allowed them. They were, of course, extremely rare. The rules for them were posted on the TSR site (yeah, old! lol) My post popular character in my group was a half-silver, half-elf. The thing was, in DL, the characters still look like their mortal parent, but would have some alternate colouring based on the dragon parent. I.E. My character had Silver Hair and Silver Iris' because her Mom was a Silver. Her Dad was a Qualinesti. I found the info, it was posted in a Dragon Magazinein 1994 (#206) Here are the stats, there is more info on the site though: http://www.angelfire.com/ky3/races/halfdragon.html Half-Silver, Krynnish Worlds: DL. Appearance: Normal human, half-elven, or elven body (as per mother's race) with silver hair and silver irises. Ability-score modifiers: +1 to all rolls for human, half-elven, or elven ability scores. Ability-score ranges: As per mother's race. Starting age (regardless of parentage or appearance): 15+1d6. Alignment tendency: Lawful good. Allowable classes (regardless of parentage or appearance): Cleric--Holy Orders (14), fighter (15), ranger (17), specialist wizard--High Sorcery (17), thief (14). Discretionary abilities: Nil. Fixed abilities: Ability to understand any intelligent communication within 5 feet radius and to communicate in previously unknown languages with 75% accuracy.
#9 talinthas May 03, 2004 22:44:08	Weis has gone on record as saying that Half Dragons don't exist on krynn.
#10 zombiegleemax May 03, 2004 23:12:12	That is true....she has.....ANd I like it as an official stance...DM's decisions after that to add it are cool.....but I like the official stance because there are just so many drgon person races already.
#11 elthbert May 04, 2004 0:34:50	I agree half dragons would be redundant on Krynn plus there has to be some room left for humans and such and of course if humans and dragons coud mate then Huma wouldn't have had to make such an unpleasent choice. I think no half dragons is the only sensable conclusionfrom reading the books.
#12 maladaar May 04, 2004 1:17:11	While Weis has gone "on record" so to speak to officially state that half-dragons do not exist in Krynn. Ultimately it is up to the DM to decide what they want to have in their campaign. There definitely is a wide variety of dragon-type humanoids in DL, which I could understand the thinking of why add another. The point being is if they are used VERY sparingly I personally don't see the harm. A long time ago, in another age (during the late days of 1e and possibly the early days of 2e), I ran a DL adventure where the PCs ran into a drow and a half-orc. I know that "officially" they do not exist, but also we have never seen a full map of the entire planet of Krynn. It was a story that revolved around a ship being lost at sea and shipwrecking on Southern Ergoth. The expressions of the players faces when I described an elf with jet black skin and white hair was priceless. As the PCs obviously never seen one before. Point is, if you like it.....then add it. Don't be so worried about what is "official" unless you are going to a gaming convention that adheres to strict rules.
#13 talinthas May 04, 2004 1:43:39	heh. one of the major arcs early in my campaign involved a kender who was descended from a half blue dragon on his mom's side, and a half bronze on his dad's, combining to form a half shadow (for neutrality) dragon/kender =) I love em, but not for official stuff =)
#14 zombiegleemax May 04, 2004 7:21:07	Originally posted by Maladaar A long time ago, in another age (during the late days of 1e and possibly the early days of 2e), I ran a DL adventure where the PCs ran into a drow and a half-orc. I know that "officially" they do not exist, but also we have never seen a full map of the entire planet of Krynn. Actually there is a map of the entire planet in the Otherlands Supplement. Whole darn planet....But that doesnt mean that the PC's know that...;)
#15 hatrel May 04, 2004 11:13:41	Of course, there is technically no good Dragonish races. Granted, the Draconians come from good dragon eggs, but they are normally evil, or maybe neutral. I guess that they COULD be good, just not normal. I suppose that the Good Dragons could have tried to create a version of the Spawn, therefore creating a good, dragon-type playable race. Unsure though...
#16 Dragonhelm May 04, 2004 11:36:55	Originally posted by Hatrel *Granted, the Draconians come from good dragon eggs, but they are normally evil, or maybe neutral. I guess that they COULD* be good, just not normal.** Ah, you need to check out the Noble Draconians from the Bestiary of Krynn!
#17 Nived May 04, 2004 11:42:28	True, there are the naturally good Noble Dracononians, but let us not forget that Draconians, espesially those in Teyr have been sliding towards neutral, and there is the occational 'Good throwback'
#18 iltharanos May 04, 2004 17:03:32	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst Actually there is a map of the entire planet in the Otherlands Supplement. Whole darn planet....But that doesnt mean that the PC's know that...;) Sure it's a map of the entire planet, a map with huge blank white spaces where you can dump entire continents. ;)
#19 zombiegleemax May 04, 2004 18:57:14	You have Blank white spaces on yours? (oddly enough Im not sure whether you are joking....lol)
#20 iltharanos May 04, 2004 21:50:21	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst You have Blank white spaces on yours? (oddly enough Im not sure whether you are joking....lol) Nah, I'm not joking. By blank spaces i mean the faded white areas depicted north of Ansalon and south of Taladas, similar to how medieval European maps depicted unknown/unmapped areas. So while the map may show the entire world of Krynn, it does, but yet doesn't show everything. There are plenty of "open" spaces for unknown lands to be dropped.
#21 maladaar May 04, 2004 23:42:14	I do have the Otherlands supplement and I didn't recall a complete map of Krynn (meaning locations of all continents with what creatures populate it). I am a firm believer of taking what you like and developing from there. The PCs definitely would not know what is on those continents (or possibly even if any of continents existed).
#22 zombiegleemax May 05, 2004 0:38:45	Well...I have the online version from WotC's homepage....There arent any white spaces on my world map....Thats kinda weird....THe one I refer to is on page 98. Where is the one you are talking about? This is weird...
#23 maladaar May 05, 2004 0:59:50	I am at work so I will not be able to check Otherlands until tomorrow. I will let you know what I find. When we were playing though, at the time I had the PCs run into a drow, that product WAS NOT yet released. I am talking about the days when the DL hardcover book came out, before the Tales of the Lance boxed set was released.
#24 iltharanos May 05, 2004 14:24:10	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst Well...I have the online version from WotC's homepage....There arent any white spaces on my world map....Thats kinda weird....THe one I refer to is on page 98. Where is the one you are talking about? This is weird... Umm. Unless I've gone color blind and noone has pointed it out to me, there are faded white spaces on that online world map. Look at the world map again. The sea is (obviously) colored blue, but yet the areas north of Ansalon and south of Taladas are not blue in color and are instead faded white spaces (and I'm not talking about the polar ice caps). To me these white spaces indicate unknown/unexplored/unmapped areas.
#25 zombiegleemax May 05, 2004 15:02:28	I see now what you mean....I thought you meant just flat out white space on the map......I see the fading now....I never took it to mean that. Interesting and cool....Thanks Iltharanos
#26 iltharanos May 05, 2004 17:20:02	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst I see now what you mean....I thought you meant just flat out white space on the map......I see the fading now....I never took it to mean that. Interesting and cool....Thanks Iltharanos Hehe. I'm always of the viewpoint that campaign worlds should always have room to expand ... hence the fading white areas equaling unexplored areas.