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#1 dawnstealer May 09, 2004 0:21:06	As some of you are aware, I have been known, on rare occasions, to bring up dwelves (or dwelfs, if I'm feeling cocky). Why do I keep bringing up this obviously superior race? Actually, I've used them before in my campaigns, specifically one in particular - a dwelven jazst by the name of Kzzt. She's the one pictured on the page and was one of those NPCs that was never clearly "bad" or "good," and the players ended up on one side or another throughout the campaign. Fun stuff. Here's the link to the ever-loved dwelf. Yay.
#2 jon_oracle_of_athas May 09, 2004 2:27:30	Great. Now we'll never see the end of the dwelf thing. I was kind of hoping it would die silently... but NO. You had to draw 'em up and stat 'em. :D I always liked those names without vowels. "Kzzt". Similar to the noise that accompanies my l-bolts. ... Hey, who's drawing for Terrors when *you* are drawing dwelves?
#3 dawnstealer May 09, 2004 10:55:55	:P
#4 nytcrawlr May 09, 2004 12:15:01	I wouldn't give them a con bonus, but that's just MO. Wouldn't give them a con penalty either. Nice drawing though, heh.
#5 dawnstealer May 09, 2004 12:22:17	Thanks: it's about six years old. She used to beat the hell out of the PCs with those rapiers. When I resurrected her for 3.0 and 3.5, I was able to add so many other abilities with feats. Fun, fun, fun. Oh, the goal with the Con bonus was to give them the strengths of both dwarves and elves, and have pretty bad weaknesses to go along with it. In the 2e version, it was +1 Str, +1 Dex, +1 Int, -1 Wis, -2 Cha (or the difference between elves and dwarves stats) Of course, in 3e, everything's by factors of 2, so all the +1 bonuses were out. Maybe this would make more sense? +2 Str, +2 Dex, -2 Int, -2 Wis, -2 Cha? Was just looking for an original configuration and it seems like everything on Athas had a Cha penalty. Oh, Jon: blame Flip - he needed drawings of a Soulblade and a Wilder. Figured while I was working on those, I could dig out the write-up on the Dwelf. I accept no responsibility for my slacking. :D
#6 nytcrawlr May 09, 2004 12:31:34	Originally posted by Dawnstealer Oh, the goal with the Con bonus was to give them the strengths of both dwarves and elves Understandable, but it doesn't make sense that a race with a con bonus and a race with a con penalty would create an offspring with a con bonus, heh, more like no penalty or bonus IMO. Of course, in 3e, everything's by factors of 2, so all the +1 bonuses were out. Maybe this would make more sense? +2 Str, +2 Dex, -2 Int, -2 Wis, -2 Cha? Makes a bit more sense to me. Was just looking for an original configuration and it seems like everything on Athas had a Cha penalty. All half-breeds should have a Cha penalty in Athas IMO due to the very negative social stigmas they receive that tend to be a hell of alot more harsher than on any other world. Oh, Jon: blame Flip - he needed drawings of a Soulblade and a Wilder. Figured while I was working on those, I could dig out the write-up on the Dwelf. I accept no responsibility for my slacking. :D Guess that means he got a hold of you then after bugging me for IM info for you that I don't have. :D
#7 flip May 09, 2004 13:42:39	Originally posted by Dawnstealer Oh, Jon: blame Flip - he needed drawings of a Soulblade and a Wilder. Figured while I was working on those, I could dig out the write-up on the Dwelf. I accept no responsibility for my slacking. :D Oh, nonononono. You get to blame me for letting you slack a bit. But you sure as do not get to blame your dwelf fixation on me. :fight!:
#8 dawnstealer May 09, 2004 13:46:34	Sweet, sweet dwelf...come to Mike. Yes. Yessssss.... All half-breeds should have a Cha penalty in Athas IMO due to the very negative social stigmas they receive that tend to be a hell of alot more harsher than on any other world. Good point.
#9 nytcrawlr May 09, 2004 13:56:03	Originally posted by flip You get to blame me for letting you slack a bit. But you sure as do not get to blame your dwelf fixation on me. :fight!: You know you like playing with dwelfs, admit it. In secret little places in your mind that you don't talk about at parties. :D BTW, lay off the McDonald's would ya, no more coffee spills due to your cupholder malfunctioning for you.
#10 nytcrawlr May 09, 2004 13:58:04	Originally posted by Dawnstealer Sweet, sweet dwelf...come to Mike. Yes. Yessssss.... Good point. See what you did!? Going to make me allow dwelfs in my campaign now.
#11 dawnstealer May 09, 2004 18:07:09	Fixed. Oh, and there I was, working hard on Dark Sun Monster pics, when all of sudden, Flip showed up and said: "I must know more about these dwelves!" I was kind of shocked, and said, "But Flip: I'm working on the monster pics, and really, the dwelves are just kind of a jo..." "YEEEEAAAAAAARRRRRRG!!! YOU WILL TELL ME OF THESE DWELVES!" What could I say to that?
#12 zombiegleemax May 09, 2004 18:07:31	Soulstealer: Do you envision dwelfs being sterile like muls?
#13 nytcrawlr May 09, 2004 18:21:54	Originally posted by Curious about Dark Sun Soulstealer: Do you envision dwelfs being sterile like muls? Dawn did you change your name? Are you out stealing souls now? If so, I want mine back you dwelfstard!
#14 dawnstealer May 09, 2004 18:30:17	Indeed. I'm outsourcing the whole "stealing of the dawn" thing to India. I'm specializing in souls now. Sorry, bro - no refunds, no returns. My soul, now, and I'm going to eat it with turnips. You hear me?! TURNIPS!! Sterile, verile; what's the diff? Use whatever works in your campaign. I would assume they were sterile, however.
#15 zombiegleemax May 09, 2004 20:10:29	Sterile? Nooooo, c'mon with the wit and charm of an elf combined with the stamina of a dwarf, a dwelf is a veritible love machine.
#16 flip May 09, 2004 23:55:42	Originally posted by Dawnstealer Fixed. Oh, and there I was, working hard on Dark Sun Monster pics, when all of sudden, Flip showed up and said: "I must know more about these dwelves!" ... given that I like dwelves about as much as jon does ... you can just ease off on the slander there buddy. I wanted freakish halfling wilders and scary half-giant soulblades. Nothing more. Leave your sick genetic engineering fetishesto yourself. Unless, of course, you really do want me to have a little conversation with your blue-smoke deamons.
#17 dawnstealer May 10, 2004 9:41:58	And then I was like: "No, Flip! No! I must draw monsters!" And he said: "Dammit! You WILL write up a page on dwelves! DO IT!!" And I said: "But I can't! Stop hitting me! I must draw...must...draw" Him: "YEEEEAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGG!!! Whap!" (he actually said "whap," he didn't hit me...that time). Me: "Fine! I'll write it up." There was nothing I could do: I was powerless to stop him.
#18 Shei-Nad May 10, 2004 10:02:23	Poor Dawnstealer! Shame on you, Flip... shame... Just because of that, I move for the official inclusion of Dwelfs (not dwelves) into the Dark Sun setting, as a recognition to the plight of Dawnstealer. Dwelfs: Lest we forget. :D
#19 flip May 10, 2004 10:04:09	*sigh* Let me know when you get in from the sun... there might be some cottoncandy left.
#20 flip May 10, 2004 10:06:33	Originally posted by Shei-Nad Just because of that, I move for the official inclusion of Dwelfs (not dwelves) into the Dark Sun setting, as a recognition to the plight of Dawnstealer. Now, now. He may be a well trained artisan slave ... but he's still a slave.
#21 dawnstealer May 10, 2004 10:51:52	Poor, poor me... (picks at scabs on my back from most recent Flip-beating) (...and eats cotton candy.) mmmmm...sweet, sweet cotton candy........
#22 xlorepdarkhelm_dup May 10, 2004 11:31:53	I might include Dwelves in my campaign. Just like I might include Elflings. They'd be so rare tho, that either would be an anomaly in society, and would stick out something fierce.
#23 dawnstealer May 10, 2004 11:49:40	Oh, yeah: as far as my PCs are concerned, there's only one. Kzzt's one of those rare creatures that's practically a mutation (I have a huge table I use for mutations, so they're always getting weird people thrown at them). While elflings are probably in the Very Rare catagory, dwelves are practically unique. My thought runs like this: Elves and Halflings are kind of similar - not in appearance, but in attitude. Both are big into family ties (both are tribal) and both are fairly chaotic. Dwarves tend to be more lawful, more literal. Whereas an elf and halfling might fall for each other, the same happening for elf and dwarf would be far more rare. Even so, it made for an interesting NPC. Kzzt first met the PCs while they were traveling in a caravan. They came across a bard troupe that included one flashy gladiator. One of the PCs challenged her to a "fun" game. They didn't count on her to be a Jaszt that prolonged the agony as long as possible (reduced his Str and Dex to about 1 apiece). Good times and lesson learned. It was the start of a beautiful "friendship."
#24 xlorepdarkhelm_dup May 10, 2004 11:52:49	I figure that in a world as dangerous as Athas, the situation could arise that some interbreeding between disparigent races could happen - like Tarek/Human, Elf/Halfling, Dwarf/Elf, etc. This wouldn't happen in "normal" worlds, or at least not nearly as frequently, but a world like Athas can bring people together and change the perspectives of many and make relationships that normally wouldn't occur.
#25 dawnstealer May 10, 2004 11:58:06	Bingo. I left Tareks out of the mix because they were straight mutations, but I might include them since mention of a "Tarelf" was made in Cerelean Storm (or was it Oracle? Dunno).
#26 xlorepdarkhelm_dup May 10, 2004 12:14:15	I forget who said it, but I agree with the idea that any of the Rebirth races (and Halflings) could potentially interbreed - as they all originated from Halflings at some point.
#27 jon_oracle_of_athas May 10, 2004 12:53:00	Hey, Flip, you know that secluded little building in Draj, that the templars usually use for interrogation purposes? I suggest we hang him on the wall and save ourselves a couple of bits in jhakar feed. After all, he doesn't draw with his legs, now does he...?
#28 dawnstealer May 10, 2004 12:57:28	I'm not worried: my dwelf friends will save me.
#29 jon_oracle_of_athas May 10, 2004 12:59:50	The first dwelf (and only dwelf) that shows up will be the victim of a FLENSING bolt.
#30 jon_oracle_of_athas May 10, 2004 13:01:51	Come here, little dwelf... (this'll be the end of you freaks!)
#31 dawnstealer May 10, 2004 13:08:23	Not if I breed them with skinless half-giants! Didn't think of that, did ya! HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHA!!!
#32 jon_oracle_of_athas May 10, 2004 13:14:24	Then you'll be hanging on the wall for some time, my friend. Your release is not exactly imminent. And besides, didn't know you could breed half-giant skeletons with dwelves? You need a necromancer, not a naturebender!
#33 dawnstealer May 10, 2004 13:25:18	Hmmmm....didn't think about that. ... My feet hurt.
#34 jon_oracle_of_athas May 10, 2004 13:28:30	They're *supposed* to do that
#35 flip May 10, 2004 13:35:57	Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas Hey, Flip, you know that secluded little building in Draj, that the templars usually use for interrogation purposes? I suggest we hang him on the wall and save ourselves a couple of bits in jhakar feed. After all, he doesn't draw with his legs, now does he...? You mean the one with no windows? Smells like kank-flesh tastes? Hrm. Yeah. The jhakars have been getting awfully snappy lately. It's all the stale flesh ... torture rooms just shouldn't be left empty for too long. Course, given that there's no light in there, we're going to have to strap a torch to your head while you draw ... so you can see. Don't worry, we'll be in before it sets your hair on fire.
#36 dawnstealer May 10, 2004 13:39:30	Dwelfs have infravision out to 30 feet...
#37 jon_oracle_of_athas May 10, 2004 13:41:26	Is that lowlight vision or darkvision, infidel?
#38 flip May 10, 2004 13:42:56	dp
#39 flip May 10, 2004 13:43:06	Originally posted by Dawnstealer Dwelfs have infravision out to 30 feet... That's nice. Are you claiming to be a Dwelf? And how does infravision (which doesn't even exist anymore) help you draw? Stop delaying, and get back to work!! ::stabs dawnstealer in the knee:: (Eh. Jon said I get to play the heavy...)
#40 jon_oracle_of_athas May 10, 2004 13:46:04	By Ral, I told you to stab him in the face, not the knee! I know it's dark in there, but still... use the torch if you can't see, and put it to his groin while you're at it.
#41 xlorepdarkhelm_dup May 10, 2004 13:49:53	You're supposed to be abusing Dawnstealer, not your Send button....
#42 jon_oracle_of_athas May 10, 2004 13:52:29	By Guthay, he thinks he's a dwelf! Should I conduct psychic surgery on him? His imaginary friends are becoming annoying. Now he even thinks he's one of them. Watch as I put the big red 'rejected as official' stamp on your Dwelf concept! *STAMP*
#43 dawnstealer May 10, 2004 13:52:29	I draw with my feet...
#44 flip May 10, 2004 13:52:31	Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas By Ral, I told you to stab him in the face, not the knee! I know it's dark in there, but still... use the torch if you can't see, and put it to his groin while you're at it. He was twisting around! I had to stab him in the knee to get his attention! See, he's stopped now. Kinda turning a little white. Plus, the jhakars' awake now. ::stabs dawnstealer in the face:: See, I had to get him to stay still so I woudln't get his eyes. Can't draw with blood in your eyes. Or with only one eye, for that matter.
#45 flip May 10, 2004 13:55:48	Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm You're supposed to be abusing Dawnstealer, not your Send button.... You know, there's room for two on that wall ...
#46 jon_oracle_of_athas May 10, 2004 13:56:27	I draw with my feet... Not anymore.
#47 jon_oracle_of_athas May 10, 2004 14:02:29	::stabs dawnstealer in the face:: See, I had to get him to stay still so I woudln't get his eyes. Can't draw with blood in your eyes. Or with only one eye, for that matter. All good then. Release the Jhakar. I draw with my feet... Did you hear that? We can cut off his hands.
#48 dawnstealer May 10, 2004 14:04:34	...It's a damn good thing I have that third arm growing out of my ****. I always knew it would come in useful... ....just need to wipe it off.
#49 xlorepdarkhelm_dup May 10, 2004 14:08:47	Originally posted by flip You know, there's room for two on that wall ... Now, now... why would you go and threaten your Send button like that? Honestly, what has it done to you?
#50 jon_oracle_of_athas May 10, 2004 14:19:41	Are you going to let him get away with that?
#51 dawnstealer May 10, 2004 14:27:00	Whatever you do, don't throw me in a briar patch! I hate briar patches!! ANYTHING but that!
#52 jon_oracle_of_athas May 10, 2004 14:29:26	Hmm... a certain spell comes to mind.
#53 flip May 10, 2004 14:32:38	Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm Now, now... why would you go and threaten your Send button like that? Honestly, what has it done to you? Xorlep Darkhelm, alias "Clifford", you are hearby charged, and found guilty, of the crime of deliberate obtuseness. ::rubs hands together:: Now, while I could have possibly overlooked this, or that you might "escape" before we get there, I'm taking you to a Psychic Chirurgeon, so that we may fix this little problem. When he confirms that your name is now "Sally", than your scentance will have been discharged. If you should resist, there's a hook on the wall next to Dawnstealer. Since the chirurgeon is already on his way over to disabuse Dawnstealer of the notion that he's a dwelf, (a delusion to be replaced with something much more reasonable ... say, a lirr) you won't be too far out of the way. He'll probably only charge the city half for his time dealing with you. Since you've personally affronted me, all bribe^H^H^H^H^Hfines are set at five times the going base rate.
#54 jon_oracle_of_athas May 10, 2004 14:43:00	He can't draw if he believes he's a lirr. Give me something to work with here... However, I *could* make him think he is a lirr incarnate. Will that suffice?
#55 dawnstealer May 10, 2004 14:44:44	A lirr, a kerr, anything but that briar patch.
#56 xlorepdarkhelm_dup May 10, 2004 15:19:56	Originally posted by flip Xorlep Darkhelm, alias "Clifford", you are hearby charged, and found guilty, of the crime of deliberate obtuseness. ::rubs hands together:: Now, while I could have possibly overlooked this, or that you might "escape" before we get there, I'm taking you to a Psychic Chirurgeon, so that we may fix this little problem. When he confirms that your name is now "Sally", than your scentance will have been discharged. If you should resist, there's a hook on the wall next to Dawnstealer. Since the chirurgeon is already on his way over to disabuse Dawnstealer of the notion that he's a dwelf, (a delusion to be replaced with something much more reasonable ... say, a lirr) you won't be too far out of the way. He'll probably only charge the city half for his time dealing with you. Since you've personally affronted me, all bribe^H^H^H^H^Hfines are set at five times the going base rate. Don't stick me in the middle of your tiff with your Send button. That's between your Send butrton and yourself, I was merely wondering why you are so upset at it that you had to abuse it so.
#57 dawnstealer May 10, 2004 16:17:03	A superb question. An excellent question. Say! Would any of you mind removing this jhakar from my head?
#58 nytcrawlr May 10, 2004 17:27:21	Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm I forget who said it, but I agree with the idea that any of the Rebirth races (and Halflings) could potentially interbreed - as they all originated from Halflings at some point. That was me for the most part I think. :D
#59 nytcrawlr May 10, 2004 17:30:32	Originally posted by flip ::stabs dawnstealer in the face:: Where's Mach when you need a good face stabbing?
#60 nytcrawlr May 10, 2004 17:33:13	The sand dunes are alive! With the pitter patter of little dwelven feet! Ok, that didn't quite reach sound of music levels, but it works. :P
#61 dawnstealer May 10, 2004 17:40:09	All face-stabbing aside: seriously, this thing has started gnawing. I don't really want to shake it off because of this nose-fetish thing I have (I like my nose where it is). And while you're at it, if someone could pull this knife out of my eye, I'd appreciate that, too. ...and my knee hurts. ...and my ankles are numb. ...and I have a headache.
#62 nytcrawlr May 10, 2004 18:05:49	Originally posted by Dawnstealer All face-stabbing aside: seriously, this thing has started gnawing. I don't really want to shake it off because of this nose-fetish thing I have (I like my nose where it is). And while you're at it, if someone could pull this knife out of my eye, I'd appreciate that, too. ...and my knee hurts. ...and my ankles are numb. ...and I have a headache. Oh yeah?! Well I'm PMSing!!!! How do you like that? Stop your whining wussy... :D
#63 jon_oracle_of_athas May 10, 2004 18:07:42	Actually, he didn't really stab you in the eye, just the face. However, it could be a sideeffect of the psyhcic surgery of mine that made you think he stabbed you in the eye. Gotta love those old 20-rolls.