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#1
lincoln_hills
May 12, 2004 13:10:58 I'm struggling to get a grip on the World of Oerik beyond the edges of the maps we all know and love. On the far shore of the Solnor Ocean, there's some sort of cold, volcanically active continent which I believe is called Fireland. Can anybody offer any references for the original canon source of this land-mass? Any sites out there address this place?
#2
zombiegleemax
May 12, 2004 13:12:53 Fireland is beyond the lands of Canonical material, although there are several references stating that the barbarians of the Rhizia and few independant ships of Rel Astra have returned from scouting the continent.
#3
zombiegleemax
May 13, 2004 6:32:19 I Think "Beyond Canonical material" is a bit much.

Fireland is an Island on the the other side of the Solnor Ocean according to a Map in Dragon Magazine Annual #1 (1996).

These two quotes are taken from the Magazine.

"My Dear Mordenkainen,
I'm glad you found my doodles enlightening! I cobbled the map together from diverse sources - mostly the recollections of some the "old guard..” I can't vouchsafe the place names; doubtless the locals have their own names for many of the areas. Enclosed are some more excerpts from my journals.
Heward"

"Fireland: A land not unlike the Hellfurnaces region of the Flanaess. Volcanoes and geysers sprout amid glaciers. A hardy folk dwells among the coastal fjords."
#4
Mortepierre
May 13, 2004 6:46:06 Correct, yet wasn't that map discounted as "non-canon" afterwards?

I am not even sure "continent" aptly describes it. It's a rather large volcanic archipelago inhabited by creatures with the (Fire) subtype, Fire Giants mainly.

According to the LG gazetteer, the Schnai were the first to explore and settle it. They brought back enough treasure to make it worth the trip, although they were quick to go back to raiding the Great Kingdom when the opportunity arose.
#5
mortellan
May 13, 2004 7:55:10 i was under the assumption that ever since the GH line was shut down, anything for greyhawk published in dragon or dungeon was now canon. it would seem more likely to me that the names for these lands not the map itself is non-canon.
#6
zombiegleemax
May 13, 2004 11:50:53 I always looked at the Greyhawk "Fireland" as the fantasy version of Iceland in the really world. I just assumed it was a play on words. Iceland is also an island with many underground hot springs, etc. A little too coincidental?
#7
lincoln_hills
May 13, 2004 12:09:37 I'm not too sure what you mean by "non-canonical". The Annual previously refrenced names the area "Fireland": the global-map inset for the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer has a very similar set of continental outlines beyond the Flanaess (and - circumstantial evidence! - it also accurately reflects the Amedio-Hepmonaland regions of the Flanaess, mapped out in the Scarlet Brotherhood sourcebook.) The maps are internally consistent, even if they weren't burgled from Gary's basement.

Also, I strongly agree with the Iceland comment. It was the first thing I thought of. It even has Vikings raiding it, for Gygax's sake! However, I'm not eager to build a portion of the world that's "just like" an RL land. (Which I may say puts me strongly at odds with some of the stuff presented in the map in Dragon Annual #1... analogs for Egypt, Japan, China, etc. popped up there.)
#8
zombiegleemax
May 15, 2004 11:11:48 Fireland is mentioned in "The Adventure Begins" (2nd Ed) and also in the LG Gaz, so its canonical alright.

Appears to be a kind of GH version of Iceland - lots of volcanos etc and serves as a stepping stone to the other end of Oerik on the other side of the Solnor Ocean.

It was never mentioned where the Sea Barons (not Rel Astra - the Rel Astrans rounded the southern cape of Hepmonaland)expedition landed when they set off across the Solnor. It could have been Fireland or (more likely, given their latitude and the time it took them) the far western shores of Oerik.

The Dungeon annual 1 map has been copied in outline on the LGG map (IIRC), but I'd hope that some of the names and apparent RW analogues have been abandoned because they were very, very silly (Zindia and Orcreich for god's sake!!!).

P.
#9
ephealy
Apr 30, 2006 18:03:40
...Dragon Magazine Annual #1 (1996).

These two quotes are taken from the Magazine.

Can I have the page references for these two quotes? I'm assuming you have DA1? Is there anything else in it about Fireland?
#10
ripvanwormer
Apr 30, 2006 18:46:57 Of course it's made to sound very much like a larger Iceland with more islands in it.

However, I always thought it would be a good place for the Io's Blood island chain introduced in the Council of Wyrms campaign setting.
#11
ephealy
Apr 30, 2006 18:52:46
I always thought it would be a good place for the Io's Blood island chain introduced in the Council of Wyrms campaign setting.

That would seem to be a good fit, wouldn't it?
#12
zombiegleemax
May 04, 2006 12:56:21
i was under the assumption that ever since the GH line was shut down, anything for greyhawk published in dragon or dungeon was now canon. it would seem more likely to me that the names for these lands not the map itself is non-canon.

Even if this should be the case the map was published before the Greyhawk line was shut down. ;)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 lincoln_hills May 12, 2004 13:10:58	I'm struggling to get a grip on the World of Oerik beyond the edges of the maps we all know and love. On the far shore of the Solnor Ocean, there's some sort of cold, volcanically active continent which I believe is called Fireland. Can anybody offer any references for the original canon source of this land-mass? Any sites out there address this place?
#2 zombiegleemax May 12, 2004 13:12:53	Fireland is beyond the lands of Canonical material, although there are several references stating that the barbarians of the Rhizia and few independant ships of Rel Astra have returned from scouting the continent.
#3 zombiegleemax May 13, 2004 6:32:19	I Think "Beyond Canonical material" is a bit much. Fireland is an Island on the the other side of the Solnor Ocean according to a Map in Dragon Magazine Annual #1 (1996). These two quotes are taken from the Magazine. "My Dear Mordenkainen, I'm glad you found my doodles enlightening! I cobbled the map together from diverse sources - mostly the recollections of some the "old guard..” I can't vouchsafe the place names; doubtless the locals have their own names for many of the areas. Enclosed are some more excerpts from my journals. Heward" "Fireland: A land not unlike the Hellfurnaces region of the Flanaess. Volcanoes and geysers sprout amid glaciers. A hardy folk dwells among the coastal fjords."
#4 Mortepierre May 13, 2004 6:46:06	Correct, yet wasn't that map discounted as "non-canon" afterwards? I am not even sure "continent" aptly describes it. It's a rather large volcanic archipelago inhabited by creatures with the (Fire) subtype, Fire Giants mainly. According to the LG gazetteer, the Schnai were the first to explore and settle it. They brought back enough treasure to make it worth the trip, although they were quick to go back to raiding the Great Kingdom when the opportunity arose.
#5 mortellan May 13, 2004 7:55:10	i was under the assumption that ever since the GH line was shut down, anything for greyhawk published in dragon or dungeon was now canon. it would seem more likely to me that the names for these lands not the map itself is non-canon.
#6 zombiegleemax May 13, 2004 11:50:53	I always looked at the Greyhawk "Fireland" as the fantasy version of Iceland in the really world. I just assumed it was a play on words. Iceland is also an island with many underground hot springs, etc. A little too coincidental?
#7 lincoln_hills May 13, 2004 12:09:37	I'm not too sure what you mean by "non-canonical". The Annual previously refrenced names the area "Fireland": the global-map inset for the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer has a very similar set of continental outlines beyond the Flanaess (and - circumstantial evidence! - it also accurately reflects the Amedio-Hepmonaland regions of the Flanaess, mapped out in the Scarlet Brotherhood sourcebook.) The maps are internally consistent, even if they weren't burgled from Gary's basement. Also, I strongly agree with the Iceland comment. It was the first thing I thought of. It even has Vikings raiding it, for Gygax's sake! However, I'm not eager to build a portion of the world that's "just like" an RL land. (Which I may say puts me strongly at odds with some of the stuff presented in the map in Dragon Annual #1... analogs for Egypt, Japan, China, etc. popped up there.)
#8 zombiegleemax May 15, 2004 11:11:48	Fireland is mentioned in "The Adventure Begins" (2nd Ed) and also in the LG Gaz, so its canonical alright. Appears to be a kind of GH version of Iceland - lots of volcanos etc and serves as a stepping stone to the other end of Oerik on the other side of the Solnor Ocean. It was never mentioned where the Sea Barons (not Rel Astra - the Rel Astrans rounded the southern cape of Hepmonaland)expedition landed when they set off across the Solnor. It could have been Fireland or (more likely, given their latitude and the time it took them) the far western shores of Oerik. The Dungeon annual 1 map has been copied in outline on the LGG map (IIRC), but I'd hope that some of the names and apparent RW analogues have been abandoned because they were very, very silly (Zindia and Orcreich for god's sake!!!). P.
#9 ephealy Apr 30, 2006 18:03:40	...Dragon Magazine Annual #1 (1996). These two quotes are taken from the Magazine. Can I have the page references for these two quotes? I'm assuming you have DA1? Is there anything else in it about Fireland?
#10 ripvanwormer Apr 30, 2006 18:46:57	Of course it's made to sound very much like a larger Iceland with more islands in it. However, I always thought it would be a good place for the Io's Blood island chain introduced in the Council of Wyrms campaign setting.
#11 ephealy Apr 30, 2006 18:52:46	I always thought it would be a good place for the Io's Blood island chain introduced in the Council of Wyrms campaign setting. That would seem to be a good fit, wouldn't it?
#12 zombiegleemax May 04, 2006 12:56:21	i was under the assumption that ever since the GH line was shut down, anything for greyhawk published in dragon or dungeon was now canon. it would seem more likely to me that the names for these lands not the map itself is non-canon. Even if this should be the case the map was published before the Greyhawk line was shut down. ;)