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#1
zombiegleemax
May 19, 2004 5:12:54 I know the market and the soverign press white board is very full at this moment, but is there any possibility of a deites and demi-gods book soley for the krynn pantheon??

one reason is that i loved the artwork in the existing book, and would love to see kiri-jolith and the rest in superb artwork

really this question is aimed at jamie, dragonhelm or cam.

as a side note, who in the krynn world would you consider a demi-god

i'm sure many will state raistlin and fistandatilus, maybe even the kingpriest, perhaps even silvanos and kaganos. there is also a thought that kharas could be considered as well
#2
maladaar
May 19, 2004 5:42:29 I believe the book that you are talking about is going to be released under the title of "The Holy Order of the Stars".

Exacty what will be covered I am not sure (outside of the obvious or at least I hope all 21 of the gods).
#3
zombiegleemax
May 19, 2004 5:47:20 ahh thanks maladar.

i remember readin about that before and it would make sense that there would be more information of the gods in a book about the people that worship them.

lets hope there are some great pics in it ;)
#4
wolffenjugend_dup
May 19, 2004 8:49:09 You know, one think I don't really like is pictures of the gods. When you put a picture down on paper, there are some people who will like the pik and others who won't. Some who don't will think the god looks "stupid" or "weak" or whatever, and to me, that lessens the godliness of a divine being. I think I'd rather NOT have pictures of the gods, but rather some descriptions of common avatars they use.

I can remember in past D&D versions when players wouldn't want to worship some gods simply b/c the picture looked silly or cheesy. To me, that undermines the whole concept of divinity.
#5
zombiegleemax
May 19, 2004 15:52:14 Actually, I got a thing from TSR that had pictures of all 21 Gods... of course, in many cases, they were just former TSR images used in other places ;)

Most of them looked pretty cool! ^_^
#6
wdarkk
May 19, 2004 21:15:01 Is Lunitari (personal fave goddess) cute in it? [Edit: I mean the TSR thing]

Also, now that the Epic SRD is out, please use it and don't give the gods exactly 20 levels in 3 different classes like in 3.0 Deities and Demigods.
#7
zombiegleemax
May 19, 2004 23:33:36 See for yourself: http://www.creatureworld.net/~Darlantan/Lunitari.jpg

Some of them were obviously other pictures... like Nuitari was actually a pic of Dalamar I remember seeing somewhere, Zeboim was actually a humanoid lizard race from The 2nd Edition Savage Species book and Chislev was the Swanmay pic from the same.

But it was still nice putting faces to names. It is also well known that different parts of Krynn picture the Gods in different views, even different times... Paladine being the kind old man at one time, a fierce warrior in another.
#8
maladaar
May 20, 2004 1:08:25 That link doesn't work. States that the user has blocked you from it.

Anywho, I personally would like to see pics of the deities myself. I would also like to see what the clerics/followers would wear as vestments and what each constellation and holy symbol looks like.

If there is a pic of the entire night sky with all of the constellations I hope they do two versions (4th and 5th age) as I would prefer to see the 4th age night sky.
#9
zombiegleemax
May 20, 2004 1:15:57 http://darshome.theskank.net/Lunitari.jpg This one works, I had a friend try it ;) You get a peak at Majere and Kiri Jolith too heheh
#10
maladaar
May 20, 2004 3:21:39 HOLY SMOKE!

I hope that is the Lunitari that makes it into the book!!!!

I don't get it, Kiri-Jolith constellation is a buffalo/bison head, but the pic looks like a minotaur?!?

btw, what was the source of that image originally?
#11
Dragonhelm
May 20, 2004 7:45:15 That's an old picture, and wasn't originally Lunitari. They just recycled some art there.

That looks to come from that freebie poster they had a few years back, around the beginnings of the 5th age.
#12
zombiegleemax
May 20, 2004 12:11:08 Yeah, the majority of the pictures of Gods on this thing is recycled art... the only originals art pieces are Paladine and Takhisis. Everything else is likely just recycled art. (Paladine is just a pic of Fizban from Tales Vol.6 (War of the Lance) and Takhisis is the image of her standing over Raistlin in the Abyss.

The source is more or less a fold out sheet that is advertising DragonLance 5th Age featuring The NEW Saga Rules System. Says "The DragonLance Conspectus" along the side.

Some of the artwork is pretty bad ie. Marquesta Kar-Thon is just Kitiara images from Darkness and Light, with the colours altered (she's black and the clothes are yellow).

But it contains pictures of many prominent DL characters both old and newer, pictures of all the novel covers up until the point the ad was released and supposide pictures of many dragons (most of them are recycled art).
#13
wdarkk
May 20, 2004 12:58:45 Myself I always pictured Lunitari as looking more like Lina Inverse, especially after I learned she was the trickster and "fun one" of the gods of magic.
#14
taskr36
May 20, 2004 14:49:13 I've seen that minotaur pic they used for Kiri-Jolith. I believe it is on the 2nd Ed supplement on minotaurs. Kiri-Jolith does use a minotaur as one of his avatar forms so it is not a bad pic to use. I would have rathered them use one that looked more imposing and godly though.

I personally love seeing pics of the gods. Naturally some will be bad, but it's worth it to see those that look good. Check out Faiths and Pantheons for Forgotten Realms. Alot of the pics in there are aweful but it's still worth it to see Tempus, Mystra, Mask, and the others who are drawn extremely well.
#15
wdarkk
May 20, 2004 15:11:00 I thought Mystra's face looked like a guy's. I hope Lunitari won't have that problem.
#16
maladaar
May 20, 2004 15:20:19 Lina Inverse??? Oh please god no!!!

Keep anime-style art out of DL!!!!

Amended to keep it out of DL, FR, D&D and other supplement!
#17
zombiegleemax
May 20, 2004 15:46:14 Yeah, no anime in DL, keep it on it's own.

I love anime, but it shouldn't intermigled with DL.
#18
sweetmeats
May 20, 2004 18:07:48 Speaking of demi-gods (in the title of this thread) I recall reading in one of the 2nd ed books (mighty even have been in the Heroes of the Lance box set) that there is a demi-goddess who is the daughter of Takhisis and Sargonnas. Is that being considered canon and if so will we see mention of her in the gods book?
#19
taskr36
May 20, 2004 22:56:30 There was a HORRIBLE series of adventures that had Ardra as a demigoddess. I believe the was the daughter of Takhisis and Chemosh, maybe Morgion. I pray that they don't include her as she came from what was probably the worst adventures I've ever read.

I do remember Bast the Catlord being in Brothers Majere. Bast is also known as Sharess and is a demipower. I doubt she would be included though as she is not really a krynn god.
#20
wdarkk
May 21, 2004 2:29:30 I was kidding about that. Lina would make a great Kender though.
#21
zombiegleemax
May 21, 2004 8:43:44
Originally posted by SweetMeats
Speaking of demi-gods (in the title of this thread) I recall reading in one of the 2nd ed books (mighty even have been in the Heroes of the Lance box set) that there is a demi-goddess who is the daughter of Takhisis and Sargonnas. Is that being considered canon and if so will we see mention of her in the gods book?

I assume that any children of the gods mentioned in previous editions would still exist, but as unique fiends or celestials, rather than true deities. Or they might just be quasi-deities with Divine Rank of 0.
#22
zombiegleemax
May 21, 2004 19:52:23 Wouldnt Takhisi and Chemosh make a full god instead of a demi god?
#23
talinthas
May 21, 2004 21:06:32 you'd like to believe that, but no. the only true gods are the 21. the rest are demi, semi, almost, but not quite.
#24
zombiegleemax
May 21, 2004 21:08:54 Well then Habbakuk, Kiri-Jolith, Luni, Soli, Nui, Zeboim should also be demi gods then by that logic.
#25
daedavias_dup
May 21, 2004 22:29:38
Originally posted by vejono
Well then Habbakuk, Kiri-Jolith, Luni, Soli, Nui, Zeboim should also be demi gods then by that logic.

Nope, children between two Greater Gods. Luni is a lovechild
#26
quentingeorge
May 22, 2004 4:27:59 Actually, Luni did an Athena and popped out of Gilean's head.
#27
talinthas
May 22, 2004 12:20:41 kiri, habbakuk, luni et al are part of the core twenty one. artha and the lolth clones arent.
#28
lily_knight
May 23, 2004 6:04:26 Please don't add anymore gods to the original 21!

IMO, if you don't mention them in the novels, keep them out of the 3.5 rules.

If you have to add anyone, give us some 3.5 stats for Raistlin, either in OoHS or WoTL sourcebooks
#29
Dragonhelm
May 23, 2004 9:25:17 I'm not quite sure how I feel about the idea of demi-gods existing in Krynn. In my mind, if there's a demi-power of some sort, there has to be something to balance it out. If there's going to be evil demi-gods (ala Artha and Jiathuli), then there must also be neutral and good demi-gods to balance this out.

Personally, though, I think that Artha and Jiathuli are best left as "kender tales". They don't really fit the feel of Dragonlance. Certainly, Jiathuli was a bit of a Lolth clone, and an attempt to import drow into Dragonlance - something which goes against the DL feel.

I'd rather the Holy Orders book center around the 21 gods of Krynn, and perhaps delve some into the High God and Chaos. From there, go into the clergy, and have some nifty PrCs for specialty roles within the Holy Orders (i.e. a clerical bard of Branchala), etc. etc.
#30
zombiegleemax
May 23, 2004 10:23:38 Oh a Lolth clone forget that keep the original 21, 16 of those would be in the book now though.
#31
zombiegleemax
May 24, 2004 9:37:37 You are all forgetting that one demogod Bast. I don't recall exactly which book he was in, but he was sort of a black cat-demigod that was in one of the magic-themed books. Maybe one of the Raistlin/Camaron ones, or the Defenders of Magic Trilogy.
#32
karui_kage
May 26, 2004 1:31:33 I remember him. He was in the Origins Sextet, or whatnot. The book was called "The Brothers Majere", if I remember correctly.
#33
morgion-s_claw
May 28, 2004 7:43:46 Well, Bast could be perceived as some servant of Chislev concerned with cats...

I'd prefer as well that they stayed with the 21 originals.
I'm even very narrowminded on outsiders on Krynn and their use by wiz and priests... They should be rare visitors on KRynn and as to their summoning, I like to think of it as something rare and special with a great danger to get messed up with the favorites of a given god... THerefore I like the classifications given in the DM screen booklet linking outsiders to specific gods

Regards,
M's Claw
#34
zombiegleemax
May 28, 2004 18:41:14
Originally posted by Karui_Kage
I remember him. He was in the Origins Sextet, or whatnot. The book was called "The Brothers Majere", if I remember correctly.

Brothers Majere is part of the Preludes. Not the Meetings Sextet.
#35
zombiegleemax
May 28, 2004 21:12:59 excuse me if i'm wrong, but isent Baast an EGYPTIAN deity?
#36
karui_kage
May 29, 2004 0:53:30
Originally posted by vejono
Brothers Majere is part of the Preludes. Not the Meetings Sextet.

Yeah, I knew it wasn't the Meetings sextet. I referred to it as the Origins sextet because it was six books as well (I believe), and I just couldn't remember the name. All I remembered was that it was what the hereos supposedly did during the 5 year period before they met back at the Inn. But yeah. Preludes would be the correct name.
#37
karui_kage
May 29, 2004 0:55:02
Originally posted by CNEFD
excuse me if i'm wrong, but isent Baast an EGYPTIAN deity?

Yeah. Go figure, but he was in the Brothers Majere book as a cat demi-god.
#38
talinthas
May 29, 2004 2:45:11 yeah, and Tanis is an egyptian city, but it never stopped him.

Hidukkel is a river in the bible, and Habakkuk is a book in the OT. Mishakael is descended from Meshak, etc etc. Literary and Classical allusions are nothing new in DL.

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#1 zombiegleemax May 19, 2004 5:12:54	I know the market and the soverign press white board is very full at this moment, but is there any possibility of a deites and demi-gods book soley for the krynn pantheon?? one reason is that i loved the artwork in the existing book, and would love to see kiri-jolith and the rest in superb artwork really this question is aimed at jamie, dragonhelm or cam. as a side note, who in the krynn world would you consider a demi-god i'm sure many will state raistlin and fistandatilus, maybe even the kingpriest, perhaps even silvanos and kaganos. there is also a thought that kharas could be considered as well
#2 maladaar May 19, 2004 5:42:29	I believe the book that you are talking about is going to be released under the title of "The Holy Order of the Stars". Exacty what will be covered I am not sure (outside of the obvious or at least I hope all 21 of the gods).
#3 zombiegleemax May 19, 2004 5:47:20	ahh thanks maladar. i remember readin about that before and it would make sense that there would be more information of the gods in a book about the people that worship them. lets hope there are some great pics in it ;)
#4 wolffenjugend_dup May 19, 2004 8:49:09	You know, one think I don't really like is pictures of the gods. When you put a picture down on paper, there are some people who will like the pik and others who won't. Some who don't will think the god looks "stupid" or "weak" or whatever, and to me, that lessens the godliness of a divine being. I think I'd rather NOT have pictures of the gods, but rather some descriptions of common avatars they use. I can remember in past D&D versions when players wouldn't want to worship some gods simply b/c the picture looked silly or cheesy. To me, that undermines the whole concept of divinity.
#5 zombiegleemax May 19, 2004 15:52:14	Actually, I got a thing from TSR that had pictures of all 21 Gods... of course, in many cases, they were just former TSR images used in other places ;) Most of them looked pretty cool! ^_^
#6 wdarkk May 19, 2004 21:15:01	Is Lunitari (personal fave goddess) cute in it? [Edit: I mean the TSR thing] Also, now that the Epic SRD is out, please use it and don't give the gods exactly 20 levels in 3 different classes like in 3.0 Deities and Demigods.
#7 zombiegleemax May 19, 2004 23:33:36	See for yourself: http://www.creatureworld.net/~Darlantan/Lunitari.jpg Some of them were obviously other pictures... like Nuitari was actually a pic of Dalamar I remember seeing somewhere, Zeboim was actually a humanoid lizard race from The 2nd Edition Savage Species book and Chislev was the Swanmay pic from the same. But it was still nice putting faces to names. It is also well known that different parts of Krynn picture the Gods in different views, even different times... Paladine being the kind old man at one time, a fierce warrior in another.
#8 maladaar May 20, 2004 1:08:25	That link doesn't work. States that the user has blocked you from it. Anywho, I personally would like to see pics of the deities myself. I would also like to see what the clerics/followers would wear as vestments and what each constellation and holy symbol looks like. If there is a pic of the entire night sky with all of the constellations I hope they do two versions (4th and 5th age) as I would prefer to see the 4th age night sky.
#9 zombiegleemax May 20, 2004 1:15:57	http://darshome.theskank.net/Lunitari.jpg This one works, I had a friend try it ;) You get a peak at Majere and Kiri Jolith too heheh
#10 maladaar May 20, 2004 3:21:39	HOLY SMOKE! I hope that is the Lunitari that makes it into the book!!!! I don't get it, Kiri-Jolith constellation is a buffalo/bison head, but the pic looks like a minotaur?!? btw, what was the source of that image originally?
#11 Dragonhelm May 20, 2004 7:45:15	That's an old picture, and wasn't originally Lunitari. They just recycled some art there. That looks to come from that freebie poster they had a few years back, around the beginnings of the 5th age.
#12 zombiegleemax May 20, 2004 12:11:08	Yeah, the majority of the pictures of Gods on this thing is recycled art... the only originals art pieces are Paladine and Takhisis. Everything else is likely just recycled art. (Paladine is just a pic of Fizban from Tales Vol.6 (War of the Lance) and Takhisis is the image of her standing over Raistlin in the Abyss. The source is more or less a fold out sheet that is advertising DragonLance 5th Age featuring The NEW Saga Rules System. Says "The DragonLance Conspectus" along the side. Some of the artwork is pretty bad ie. Marquesta Kar-Thon is just Kitiara images from Darkness and Light, with the colours altered (she's black and the clothes are yellow). But it contains pictures of many prominent DL characters both old and newer, pictures of all the novel covers up until the point the ad was released and supposide pictures of many dragons (most of them are recycled art).
#13 wdarkk May 20, 2004 12:58:45	Myself I always pictured Lunitari as looking more like Lina Inverse, especially after I learned she was the trickster and "fun one" of the gods of magic.
#14 taskr36 May 20, 2004 14:49:13	I've seen that minotaur pic they used for Kiri-Jolith. I believe it is on the 2nd Ed supplement on minotaurs. Kiri-Jolith does use a minotaur as one of his avatar forms so it is not a bad pic to use. I would have rathered them use one that looked more imposing and godly though. I personally love seeing pics of the gods. Naturally some will be bad, but it's worth it to see those that look good. Check out Faiths and Pantheons for Forgotten Realms. Alot of the pics in there are aweful but it's still worth it to see Tempus, Mystra, Mask, and the others who are drawn extremely well.
#15 wdarkk May 20, 2004 15:11:00	I thought Mystra's face looked like a guy's. I hope Lunitari won't have that problem.
#16 maladaar May 20, 2004 15:20:19	Lina Inverse??? Oh please god no!!! Keep anime-style art out of DL!!!! Amended to keep it out of DL, FR, D&D and other supplement!
#17 zombiegleemax May 20, 2004 15:46:14	Yeah, no anime in DL, keep it on it's own. I love anime, but it shouldn't intermigled with DL.
#18 sweetmeats May 20, 2004 18:07:48	Speaking of demi-gods (in the title of this thread) I recall reading in one of the 2nd ed books (mighty even have been in the Heroes of the Lance box set) that there is a demi-goddess who is the daughter of Takhisis and Sargonnas. Is that being considered canon and if so will we see mention of her in the gods book?
#19 taskr36 May 20, 2004 22:56:30	There was a HORRIBLE series of adventures that had Ardra as a demigoddess. I believe the was the daughter of Takhisis and Chemosh, maybe Morgion. I pray that they don't include her as she came from what was probably the worst adventures I've ever read. I do remember Bast the Catlord being in Brothers Majere. Bast is also known as Sharess and is a demipower. I doubt she would be included though as she is not really a krynn god.
#20 wdarkk May 21, 2004 2:29:30	I was kidding about that. Lina would make a great Kender though.
#21 zombiegleemax May 21, 2004 8:43:44	Originally posted by SweetMeats Speaking of demi-gods (in the title of this thread) I recall reading in one of the 2nd ed books (mighty even have been in the Heroes of the Lance box set) that there is a demi-goddess who is the daughter of Takhisis and Sargonnas. Is that being considered canon and if so will we see mention of her in the gods book? I assume that any children of the gods mentioned in previous editions would still exist, but as unique fiends or celestials, rather than true deities. Or they might just be quasi-deities with Divine Rank of 0.
#22 zombiegleemax May 21, 2004 19:52:23	Wouldnt Takhisi and Chemosh make a full god instead of a demi god?
#23 talinthas May 21, 2004 21:06:32	you'd like to believe that, but no. the only true gods are the 21. the rest are demi, semi, almost, but not quite.
#24 zombiegleemax May 21, 2004 21:08:54	Well then Habbakuk, Kiri-Jolith, Luni, Soli, Nui, Zeboim should also be demi gods then by that logic.
#25 daedavias_dup May 21, 2004 22:29:38	Originally posted by vejono Well then Habbakuk, Kiri-Jolith, Luni, Soli, Nui, Zeboim should also be demi gods then by that logic. Nope, children between two Greater Gods. Luni is a lovechild
#26 quentingeorge May 22, 2004 4:27:59	Actually, Luni did an Athena and popped out of Gilean's head.
#27 talinthas May 22, 2004 12:20:41	kiri, habbakuk, luni et al are part of the core twenty one. artha and the lolth clones arent.
#28 lily_knight May 23, 2004 6:04:26	Please don't add anymore gods to the original 21! IMO, if you don't mention them in the novels, keep them out of the 3.5 rules. If you have to add anyone, give us some 3.5 stats for Raistlin, either in OoHS or WoTL sourcebooks
#29 Dragonhelm May 23, 2004 9:25:17	I'm not quite sure how I feel about the idea of demi-gods existing in Krynn. In my mind, if there's a demi-power of some sort, there has to be something to balance it out. If there's going to be evil demi-gods (ala Artha and Jiathuli), then there must also be neutral and good demi-gods to balance this out. Personally, though, I think that Artha and Jiathuli are best left as "kender tales". They don't really fit the feel of Dragonlance. Certainly, Jiathuli was a bit of a Lolth clone, and an attempt to import drow into Dragonlance - something which goes against the DL feel. I'd rather the Holy Orders book center around the 21 gods of Krynn, and perhaps delve some into the High God and Chaos. From there, go into the clergy, and have some nifty PrCs for specialty roles within the Holy Orders (i.e. a clerical bard of Branchala), etc. etc.
#30 zombiegleemax May 23, 2004 10:23:38	Oh a Lolth clone forget that keep the original 21, 16 of those would be in the book now though.
#31 zombiegleemax May 24, 2004 9:37:37	You are all forgetting that one demogod Bast. I don't recall exactly which book he was in, but he was sort of a black cat-demigod that was in one of the magic-themed books. Maybe one of the Raistlin/Camaron ones, or the Defenders of Magic Trilogy.
#32 karui_kage May 26, 2004 1:31:33	I remember him. He was in the Origins Sextet, or whatnot. The book was called "The Brothers Majere", if I remember correctly.
#33 morgion-s_claw May 28, 2004 7:43:46	Well, Bast could be perceived as some servant of Chislev concerned with cats... I'd prefer as well that they stayed with the 21 originals. I'm even very narrowminded on outsiders on Krynn and their use by wiz and priests... They should be rare visitors on KRynn and as to their summoning, I like to think of it as something rare and special with a great danger to get messed up with the favorites of a given god... THerefore I like the classifications given in the DM screen booklet linking outsiders to specific gods Regards, M's Claw
#34 zombiegleemax May 28, 2004 18:41:14	Originally posted by Karui_Kage I remember him. He was in the Origins Sextet, or whatnot. The book was called "The Brothers Majere", if I remember correctly. Brothers Majere is part of the Preludes. Not the Meetings Sextet.
#35 zombiegleemax May 28, 2004 21:12:59	excuse me if i'm wrong, but isent Baast an EGYPTIAN deity?
#36 karui_kage May 29, 2004 0:53:30	Originally posted by vejono Brothers Majere is part of the Preludes. Not the Meetings Sextet. Yeah, I knew it wasn't the Meetings sextet. I referred to it as the Origins sextet because it was six books as well (I believe), and I just couldn't remember the name. All I remembered was that it was what the hereos supposedly did during the 5 year period before they met back at the Inn. But yeah. Preludes would be the correct name.
#37 karui_kage May 29, 2004 0:55:02	Originally posted by CNEFD excuse me if i'm wrong, but isent Baast an EGYPTIAN deity? Yeah. Go figure, but he was in the Brothers Majere book as a cat demi-god.
#38 talinthas May 29, 2004 2:45:11	yeah, and Tanis is an egyptian city, but it never stopped him. Hidukkel is a river in the bible, and Habakkuk is a book in the OT. Mishakael is descended from Meshak, etc etc. Literary and Classical allusions are nothing new in DL.